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[Mad-Max90]

If you want an archer in your party there is varric and Sebastion you have two to pick from you nitpicky ass

[Dante Angelo]

[quote]Jarcander wrote...

[quote]Dante Angelo wrote...

[/quote]did I say deep roads I meant the deep terminus roads
[/quote]

What's that? I didn't see it in the DA2's info page. It's not in the moon, is it? I remember in DA: Origins there was a dashing moon on the sky, there for your viewing pleasure everytime you took rest in the camp.

[/quote]where is it you ask it's in my imagination where alot of crazy stuff happens

[yuncas]

Catsuit vs. Hooker boots and... uuhhh ...long shirt?
One outfit with a skin change late game vs. one gradually upgradeable outfit.
Bullets and psuedo magic vs. swords, arrows, and actual magic.
Poisonous atmospheres, cosmic radiation, vacuum of space vs. .... bad weather?


I like neither of the options for not being able to equip your companions how you like. That being said I dislike DA2's system much, MUCH less than ME2's.

[coolide]

Miss Greyjoy wrote...

I hate this change, just like I hate the fact that Isabela will refuse to equip a bow. I just feel like it limits my options and replayability. What if I really want an archer in my party, but I hate the NPC who is an archer by default?

Oh well, I will keep an open mind. I generally am not much of a complainer, so it's unlikely I'll ever mention it again, lest someone accuse me of wanting to play "dolly dress-up" with the characters.

It limits your the replayability?  Really?  Are you going to give your companions worse armor the second time around?  C'mon man!

[Jarcander]

Dante Angelo wrote...
where is it you ask it's in my imagination where alot of crazy stuff happens

Oh. That's fair game.

My point still stands. There is no space aka vacuum-like hazardous envinronment in DA2, so I don't care if they all face the Darkspawn naked. Well, maybe it would be a little distracting, but that's besides the point.

For the record, yes, I was one of those who complained about squad-armour in ME2. I still did enjoy that the design on most of them.

[Vanni127]

Yay! Another one of Sylvius' "This game isn't the way I want it!!!" threads.

Ah well, to be on topic: I don't complain about it because I like the outfits in both games. Move on.

[Dr. wonderful]

coolide wrote...

Miss Greyjoy wrote...

I hate this change, just like I hate the fact that Isabela will refuse to equip a bow. I just feel like it limits my options and replayability. What if I really want an archer in my party, but I hate the NPC who is an archer by default?

Oh well, I will keep an open mind. I generally am not much of a complainer, so it's unlikely I'll ever mention it again, lest someone accuse me of wanting to play "dolly dress-up" with the characters.

It limits your the replayability?  Really?  Are you going to give your companions worse armor the second time around?  C'mon man!

See what I mean.

People want lifelike and want the Characters to act on their own...then why can't they choose how their fight and wear their clothes and weapons.

[ROD525]

I hated how they took away the option to outfit companions in Mass Effect2 and Im pissed they did the same thing to Dragon Age.I could care less about enchanting armor with runes,you could do that in Awakening. I like to change up the look of my party at my leisure and now I cant...it Sucks.

[Fenn_]

I actually don't mind that you can't change what they wear, it gives the companions more personality. I've never been much for inventory management ether but removing it like me2 was a bit to much. I'm glad Da2 at least desided to keep it in some form.

Modifié par Fenn , 02 mars 2011 - 02:08 .

[Bladescorpion]

 the armor is my biggest peeve in ME2.

At least in DA2 they look like they have armor after they reach Kirkwall.

[Elvoria]

PsychoWARD23 wrote...

 Even if you don't count Isabella (who is the obvious "culprit"), almost everyone else is hardly wearing armor at all.

Not this again.

[greed89]

This is a bit different OP

its A Fantasy setting, it makes no sense for a Pirate to be wearing armor

[Ignoble Fat Man]

godlike13 wrote...

I wasn't happy about it in ME2 when i first heard, but then i played it and i didn't even care. So, im expecting something similar.

I was very upset when I heard about it in ME2.  I didn't mind it not being there to terribly much but I missed being able to customize my gear and outfit my team to better suit my play style.  I don't think DA 2 went the ME 2 route otherwise they would have taken away our ability to customize our squad in a way that suite our play style.

Yes we can't put different armor on them but I bet we can change the stats on the armor they are wearing fairly drastically with runes.  Besides if you give your art crew standard models to work with they can do more and better vfx with the game.  I'd trade customizing the look of my team for cooler graphics so long as I get to customize the functionality.

[Miss Greyjoy]

Dr. wonderful wrote...

coolide wrote...

Miss Greyjoy wrote...

I hate this change, just like I hate the fact that Isabela will refuse to equip a bow. I just feel like it limits my options and replayability. What if I really want an archer in my party, but I hate the NPC who is an archer by default?

Oh well, I will keep an open mind. I generally am not much of a complainer, so it's unlikely I'll ever mention it again, lest someone accuse me of wanting to play "dolly dress-up" with the characters.

It limits your the replayability?  Really?  Are you going to give your companions worse armor the second time around?  C'mon man!

See what I mean.

People want lifelike and want the Characters to act on their own...then why can't they choose how their fight and wear their clothes and weapons.

Just to use an example, in DAO, I could use Wynne as a Spirit Healer in my first playthrough, and would give her the best mage robes I could find. If I made her an Arcane Warrior in my second playthrough, I could outfit her accordingly. It gave me a chance to experiment with different skill trees and builds. That's all I'm saying.
 
This is exactly why I rarely post. Some posters love to give others grief because they say they aren't happy with a design decision or because they are a "nitpicky ass".

[Rimfrost]

Ignoble Fat Man wrote...

godlike13 wrote...

I wasn't happy about it in ME2 when i first heard, but then i played it and i didn't even care. So, im expecting something similar.

I was very upset when I heard about it in ME2.  I didn't mind it not being there to terribly much but I missed being able to customize my gear and outfit my team to better suit my play style.  I don't think DA 2 went the ME 2 route otherwise they would have taken away our ability to customize our squad in a way that suite our play style.

Yes we can't put different armor on them but I bet we can change the stats on the armor they are wearing fairly drastically with runes.  Besides if you give your art crew standard models to work with they can do more and better vfx with the game.  I'd trade customizing the look of my team for cooler graphics so long as I get to customize the functionality.

This ^

[Maconbar]

Dr. wonderful wrote...

coolide wrote...

Miss Greyjoy wrote...

I hate this change, just like I hate the fact that Isabela will refuse to equip a bow. I just feel like it limits my options and replayability. What if I really want an archer in my party, but I hate the NPC who is an archer by default?

Oh well, I will keep an open mind. I generally am not much of a complainer, so it's unlikely I'll ever mention it again, lest someone accuse me of wanting to play "dolly dress-up" with the characters.

It limits your the replayability?  Really?  Are you going to give your companions worse armor the second time around?  C'mon man!

See what I mean.

People want lifelike and want the Characters to act on their own...then why can't they choose how their fight and wear their clothes and weapons.

The issue here is that there are conflicting views on the role and nature of companions. Some players view the companions as somewhat akin to NPCs. Others tend to view the companions more along the lines of alternate PCs. Granted there is a continuum between these two positions. In general it seems that the players that view the companions as somewhat independent NPCs don't mind that the player can't adjust the attire of the companions because it helps maintain the illusion of autonomy. Clearly the companions aren't fully autonomous in this game because the players maintain control of many parts of companion play.

The other group tends to favor control over more elements associated with the companions, clearly including armor.

In a game like this there is a tension between these two positions. In DA:O you could have your companions accompany you dressed only in their undies. Personally that would destroy any sense of immersion for me because that seems very out of character for the companions as independent characters.

I am not suggesting that one side's view is better than the other's. Nor am I suggesting that everyone's decision-making neatly falls into either. Personally in DA:O I tried to equip the companions in gear that I thought that they would prefer. This helped me maintain the illusion that I was interacting with independent characters.

[slimgrin]

1) place frog in pot of cold water.

2) place pot on burner.

3) slowly simmer frog until thoroughly convinced.

[FieryDove]

slimgrin wrote...

1) place frog in pot of cold water.

2) place pot on burner.

3) slowly simmer frog until thoroughly convinced.

No!

Set that poor frog FREE.

[ROD525]

Mad-Max90 wrote...

If you want an archer in your party there is varric and Sebastion you have two to pick from you nitpicky ass

What a D..K!

[SnowHeart1]

Nimpe wrote...

They got over it gave up.

Fixed it.

[Sylvianus]

It was a big mistake in M2 this story of armor. It's hard to understand why DA2 did the same thing. For an rpg, it's really not the way forward. The rpg is freedom. We can't impose in something so important in the game.

I think for now I don't complain. But I think we will all bad ( even those who say they do not complain ), once we play the game

I can't imagine with Isabella.  The show held its fight with so light, without armor throughout the game and until the end, will do very poorly. ^^

Modifié par Sylvianus, 02 mars 2011 - 02:22 .

[Ignoble Fat Man]

Miss Greyjoy wrote...

Dr. wonderful wrote...

coolide wrote...

Miss Greyjoy wrote...

I hate this change, just like I hate the fact that Isabela will refuse to equip a bow. I just feel like it limits my options and replayability. What if I really want an archer in my party, but I hate the NPC who is an archer by default?

Oh well, I will keep an open mind. I generally am not much of a complainer, so it's unlikely I'll ever mention it again, lest someone accuse me of wanting to play "dolly dress-up" with the characters.

It limits your the replayability?  Really?  Are you going to give your companions worse armor the second time around?  C'mon man!

See what I mean.

People want lifelike and want the Characters to act on their own...then why can't they choose how their fight and wear their clothes and weapons.

Just to use an example, in DAO, I could use Wynne as a Spirit Healer in my first playthrough, and would give her the best mage robes I could find. If I made her an Arcane Warrior in my second playthrough, I could outfit her accordingly. It gave me a chance to experiment with different skill trees and builds. That's all I'm saying.
 
This is exactly why I rarely post. Some posters love to give others grief because they say they aren't happy with a design decision or because they are a "nitpicky ass".

Except if you have been following along playing a character that is outside the archtype of a mage...i.e. a warrior that casts spells is just not going to happen with an NPC now.  The NPC has a general mode it works in and even their own custom specs.

This time to use your Wynne example it is more like Wynne joins your party and says I am a mage that casts spells....I won't be wearing platemail cause I hate it.  Varric is going to say no I won't use that shinny dagger cause Bianca here would be jealous.  This means that in those really cool fight sequences and story sequences the graphics engine will already be optimized for the gear our party will be wearing, aside from weapons, and will be better able to handle showing us the story.  It doesn't mean we can't customize our NPC's.  It just means we can't visually change their armor.  We can change all sorts of stats about the armor with runes but not the visual that the armor has.

Modifié par Ignoble Fat Man, 02 mars 2011 - 02:25 .

[Maria Caliban]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

You haven't been paying attention. Many of us have complained quite a lot.

This. You'd have to be fairly narrow-sighted to not notice the complaints.

Then again, we get dozens of threads with titles like "Am I the only one..?" and "Does anyone else..?" about aspects of the game that have been discussed ad nauseum and typically have another thread on the first page.

[ENolan]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

You haven't been paying attention. Many of us have complained quite a lot.

This. You'd have to be fairly narrow-sighted to not notice the complaints.

Then again, we get dozens of threads with titles like "Am I the only one..?" and "Does anyone else..?" about aspects of the game that have been discussed ad nauseum and typically have another thread on the first page.

So you don't like the threads that reiterate an unnecessary topic to the point of facepalming irritation? I am shocked, my lady!

[Dr. Nexas]

Miss Greyjoy wrote...

I hate this change, just like I hate the fact that Isabela will refuse to equip a bow. I just feel like it limits my options and replayability. What if I really want an archer in my party, but I hate the NPC who is an archer by default?

Oh well, I will keep an open mind. I generally am not much of a complainer, so it's unlikely I'll ever mention it again, lest someone accuse me of wanting to play "dolly dress-up" with the characters.

Maybe she just straight up doesn't know how to use a bow?