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[Rimfrost]

spernus wrote...
To be fair,the Mass effect 2 DLC is of higher quality compared to what the Dragon age team offered.    It got much better reviews and the level of polish can't be compared in any shape or form.The best gameplay section of Mass effect 2 is not even in the main game,but in it's DLC.

Then I hope the DA2 DLC have the same quality. The good thing is that they have mentioned that the writers are staying on this time which should make the DLC better I hope!

[Eurypterid]

I'd love to see DLC go on sale or permanently drop in price over time.

That being said, I look at it this way: DLC is an accessory. Offhand I can't think of a product where the accessories generally get cheaper over time. As well, the Ultimate Edition is a package deal, which is akin to buying in bulk, which is always cheaper than buying things separately. As an example, look at movie releases, since someone mentioned that earlier. Take Lord of the Rings as an example. If you bought the original trilogy release, should you have received a discount when they came out with the extended editions? They contained a lot of extra material, but you don't get a break on the price just because you jumped earlier and bought the regular editions. (I do realize the comparison here is not exactly parallel, but you get the gist).

How about a car (since many people are so fond of car analogies). If you buy a car, you often get some extras as a package deal, but you have to add many others for extra expense. However, people that wait until the new model year comes out can often get that same vehicle with many - if not all -of the extras for hundreds (sometimes thousands) of dollars less. Should you get a discount on the accessories you didn't originally buy just because the person that waited gets a better deal?

Again, I'm all for seeing a price drop on the DLC, but I don't feel there's a fairness/unfairness factor involved here. It's just the benefits of buying a package deal vs items individually.

[Nomen Mendax]

To the OP. Not in any way trying to be rude here, but what you've described is neither fair nor unfair, it's just how it is. You seemed to have analyzed the situation rationally so you should just make your decision and live with it. If you want to save money wait for another year until the collected edition comes out. If you want to be an early adopter and still get the DLC end up paying more.

I do understand your point about the pricing model but that's the way Bioware wants to do it, so as a consumer your choices are pretty much limited to buying or not buying. At least to me that seems perfectly fair.

[wowpwnslol]

And here I was thinking OP wouldn't buy DLC, because DA DLCs were a complete disgrace, made strictly to enable EA executives to have money fights.

[wakkkkkkkkkkka]

GreenSoda wrote...

The skeptical need convincing, the fans do not.

You made your choice.

they should reward for loyalty eh?

[GunClubGirl]

You pay a premium for not being patient. The price on the full game goes down because they figure everyone who was willing to pay a premium, or any of them who knew about the game, already bought it, and they lower the price to get more customers and do another advertising push. The lower priced dlc in the ultimate edition is part of that push to squeeze out more customers before the sequel comes out. The bonus content helps sell more of the product. Xbox Live had the dlc for DAO all half off in January, so they do have sales later on for DLC if you watch for them. Personally, I think it's worth paying more to play the game at launch. And personally, I think the DLC is exceptional and a good value even at full price. I think you are missing out if you refuse to buy DLC just because it costs less for people who wait for an "ultimate edition", but that's your perogative. You can either get the game now and not buy dlc if you don't want to pay a premium, or wait for an ultimate edition and get the game and all the DLC at a reduced price.

[wowpwnslol]

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Modifié par Stanley Woo, 02 mars 2011 - 06:24 .

[wakkkkkkkkkkka]

PhrosniteAgainROFL wrote...

Because the first 6 months sales are the most important for publishers. Those Ultimate editions and whatnot are made for people who weren't interested in the game, NOT FOR THE FANS! I can't believe people bi*tch about stuff like that. If you are so upset by that then JUST WAIT A YEAR AND BUY THE GotY EDITONS!

People like you make me wanna vomit.

why would you make something for someone not interested in the game..(except maybe to increase interest and revenue).. but ultimately more people wont buy the" Goty EDITIONS!"  and they should realize that by there marketing sales 

[ArcanistLibram]

I could wait for DA2 to drop to $30 or I could wait for the DA2 Ultimate Edition with the expansion and all the DLC, just like I could have waited for the Warcraft 3 Battle Chest.

But I don't want to.

[wakkkkkkkkkkka]

PhrosniteAgainROFL wrote...

Black_Warden wrote...

PhrosniteAgainROFL wrote...

Black_Warden wrote...

PhrosniteAgainROFL wrote...

Because the first 6 months sales are the most important for publishers. Those Ultimate editions and whatnot are made for people who weren't interested in the game, NOT FOR THE FANS! I can't believe people bi*tch about stuff like that. If you are so upset by that then JUST WAIT A YEAR AND BUY THE GotY EDITONS!

People like you make me wanna vomit.

Did you even read his post?

OP's main point: Why don't DLCs drop in price over time like games do?

your response: completed misaimed needlesly hostile rant. Calm down, reset your troll detector, and try that again.

DLCs are CHEAP! Also they go on sales from time to time. ME2 DLCs anyone? This thread is stupid.

Still not the point though. If I get a better computer in say, 2 and a half years, and decide to nostalgia buy DA2 to try it out on a PC, and i buy it used for, say....$15. if i want the exiled prince DLC, that now costs half as much as the entire game, even though it's 2.5 years later. i'm not disagreeing with you that DLC is, for the most part, cheap. but why should it not be sold at reduced value later on (which could, in fact, result in more long term purchases of that DLC) when just about every other type of merchandise is sold for lower prices once it is no longer "new"?

In 2.5 years you will be able to buy the DA2 Ultimate Edition for $5-$7.5 on Steam... Still don't see why you people are upset that DLCs don't get cheaper with time. Even if DLCs dropped to $1 per DLC you will still be better off BUYING THE ULTIMATE EDITION!

maybe they dont want all of the dlc and they already have the game so they might just spend 1$..you might not have 5-7.5

[rogue_assassin]

nijnij wrote...

Why priviledge the skeptical over the fans ?

Its the same reason that games go down in price after time. You wouldn't pay $59.99 for a copy of Goldeneye for N64, would you? But at the time of its release, it was right up there. 

It's simple supply and demand. As demand goes down, so does the price. DLC and packaging tries to sustain higher pricing, but they're just trying to squeeze as much revenue out of the game as possible. All of the fixed costs are spent, and you're just covering your variable costs at this point for the game. It's just business.

[wakkkkkkkkkkka]

rogue_assassin wrote...

nijnij wrote...

Why priviledge the skeptical over the fans ?

Its the same reason that games go down in price after time. You wouldn't pay $59.99 for a copy of Goldeneye for N64, would you? But at the time of its release, it was right up there. 

It's simple supply and demand. As demand goes down, so does the price. DLC and packaging tries to sustain higher pricing, but they're just trying to squeeze as much revenue out of the game as possible. All of the fixed costs are spent, and you're just covering your variable costs at this point for the game. It's just business.

goldeneye for the N64 is AMAZING..so i probably would if i didn't have 4 copies of it already lol

[viking135]

I`m paying something like 85 dollars for the game wish games were cheaper here.

[Dinaminjo]

If you buy the game as soon as it goes out + all the dlc as soon as it goes out, you are paying for the exclusive to play it at that time..
If you don't like it, don't buy it as soon as its out, but wait..

That's what I do.. I bought ultimate edition of DA:O and will buy ultimate edition of both ME2 and DA2 when they come out.. I love Biowre games but I simply can't justify paying that much (retail + all the dlc which is actually another retail price)..
For the difference in price for a couple of games I can get a new video card..

I would preorder if the preorder came with "all future dlc" included..
That would be fair and would make me preorder games..

Modifié par Dinaminjo, 02 mars 2011 - 04:24 .

[Aesieru]

I believe it's because DLC allows the company to get all the money for it because there is no distribution or anything outside of putting it on a server, but the full game they only get a chunk of.

Why cut one of your main profits?

[Cozarkian]

It's really not an issue of fair or unfair, it's just plain bad marketing.

I pre-ordered DA:O, but never finished. I think $7 for DLC is too high, so I didn't purchase any beyond what came with the game. With DA2 coming out, I started playing DA:O again. With DA2 around the corner, the value of that DLC is even less, but the price is still the same. If the marketing department had been smart and dropped the price of DLC, or sold DLC bundles, I might have been convinced to purchase some.

[Cuthlan]

Cozarkian wrote...

It's really not an issue of fair or unfair, it's just plain bad marketing.

I pre-ordered DA:O, but never finished. I think $7 for DLC is too high, so I didn't purchase any beyond what came with the game. With DA2 coming out, I started playing DA:O again. With DA2 around the corner, the value of that DLC is even less, but the price is still the same. If the marketing department had been smart and dropped the price of DLC, or sold DLC bundles, I might have been convinced to purchase some.

I would think that with DA2 coming there is/will be a spike in DA:O DLC sales as people who want to play DA2 pick DA:O back up either to finish it for the save import or simply because DA2 has renewed their interest in it.

[JediMB]

Rimfrost wrote...

JediMB wrote...

Whether or not I buy the DLC for DAII depends entirely on how interested I am in playing it more.

With DAO, I stopped playing during my second playthrough, because... well, I guess playing Mage bored me. So I didn't buy any DLC, since I wasn't feeling like playing the game anyway. In the end I got myself a fresh copy of the Ultimate Edition at €25 (Play.com = awesome), and gave my original copy to a friend.

With ME2, on the other hand, the game kept on appealing to me even after my second playthrough, so I got a few early DLCs, and then filled up on the rest of the significant (and a few less significant) ones when Lair of the Shadow Broker had been released.

I think I got fairly good deals. Especially with my home nation's strong currency these days, as both DLC and DAO Ultimate Edition ended up being quite cheap.

Good points. Funny in that you and I had the opposite reaction. I haven't bought any DLCs for the ME series (I think) while I have played all but the Golem one for DA. 

For me space operas and the tale of shepherd is not as engaging/deep as DA:O. That said the action in ME is smoother and more fun (as an action game). I played DA:O on Normal as I mostly wanted the fights over with :-)

I think the fact that I've been playing shooters (first-person shooters) for a lot longer than I've been playing RPGs plays its part. Got into Doom back in 1993, while... well, I suppose I can't count Final Fantasy VII in 1997 into the same category as Dragon Age, so... huh... I guess besides some PnP-roleplaying my first true encounter with western RPGs was when I decided to play Fallout and Fallout 2 in preperation for Fallout 3's release.

And then there's the sci-fi aspect. I love sci-fi, I love science-fantasy, but pure Tolkien-esque fantasy doesn't really appeal to me. It did in my childhood, I think, but that was long ago. BioWare have done well in that respect, as I actually really like the world they built in Dragon Age. I only wish I didn't have to deal with damned dwarf tunnels. The dwarves' history and such is interesting, but killing darkspawn in those tunnels was probably what turned me off the game for almost a year.

[Giltspur]

Why doesn't DLC drop in price?

Here's my guess.  Only the more devoted fans buy DLC.    They will buy it  when it's new.  Or if someone uninitiated picks up a game later when the main game has been reduced and converts to hardcore, that person will still pay full price for DLC even though the DLC is no longer new.  The more casual fan won't buy DLC.  Casual fans might buy full games though especially if on sale.  The DLC gets thrown in on those ultimate editions as an enticement.  

So in general, sales are pitched at the very people unlikely to buy DLC.  Hence DLC's don't go on sale.

At least I imagine that's their reasoning.  Do I agree with it?  Not sure.

[Fallstar]

in england the Ultimate Edition retails at £19.99, when I payed like £39.99 for Origins, £29.99 for Awakening, plus however many Microsoft Points all the DLCs cost. In total I estimate around £85 or so. I could have saved £65 at least, i mean come on. And on top of that, after pre-ordering the SE, I am apparently not eligible for Fadeshear or Lion of Orlais, because I pre-ordered from Amazon UK. I wouldn't have minded paying the more expensive prices for things (we did get them first after all) if I still got items in my SE that most peeople will get in a standard pre-order. Whats up with that?

[wolvklawz]

The sheer fact is...Patience always wins.  A good portion of my library are from games I patiently waited for.  Batman Arkham Asylum, Red Dead Redemption, Grand Theft Auto IV, Mass Effect 1 & 2....then there are the games I get on day 1 like Fallout 3, Modern Warfare 2 etc.  If its not a major want, I wait and either get the game used from Gamefly for like $15-$20 bucks or if its worth it, new but GoTY edition.  For the games I have to have on day 1, I get and in the end it balances out.  But its true in every case, if you are cheap and it bothers you to pay more, then don't bother even getting games on day 1 and instead....get them on day 365....patience always wins with the wallet.  

No sense beating up a company over the DLC issue if you personally aren't patient enough to wait for the possibility of a GoTY edition or something.....yes they always come at some point but...its also pointless to pull the cheap card out because you don't like paying the price of a lunch once every few months to get additional content for a game you enjoy playing.  Just my 2 cents.

[elfdwarf]

how do you know going be ultimate edition might not have one .
you might miss out on signature edition weapons and soundtrack.

[AlanC9]

nijnij wrote...
Like many people I suppose, most people perhaps, I bought Dragon Age Origins pretty much when it was new, which means at its highest price (49.99 €). Which is normal. I also got two free pieces of DLC (Stone Prisoner and Blood Dragon Armor) for buying it on Steam. Again, fair deal.

A while back, Bioware released the Dragon Age Origins ultimate edition, which also costs 49.99 € but contains every other DLC and the expansion. I would have liked to play all this content (and still would), but buying the whole package when I already have the biggest portion of it seems like a waste. Then again, if I buy the content I'm  missing separately (= 29 € worth of DLC + the 20 € expansion), the price is the same, 49 €.

That means whatever happens, I get my "114 $ worth of content" for... 98 € (= 135 $ !!).

Now, here is my question : how come the people who bought the game before everyone else, and therefore, probably allowed for the release of the Ultimate edition in the first place, still have to pay their DLC full price, while a cheaper edition is now available for those who skipped on the game ? Wouldn't it be logical for DLC prices to go down as well by now ? Seems to me it would be fair at least. Why priviledge the skeptical over the fans ?

I can't argue with the math here. Um... actually, it's worse than the OP says, because the Ultimate Edition itself is now discounted.

However, ever game ever released has worked like this, DLC or no. Wait a year and some and you get it for half price or even less.

[Spaghetti_Ninja]

shaneho78 wrote...

It bothers me that games on STEAM go for really low prices ($10-$20) after sometime, usually less than a year.

It bothers you that other people get games for a good discount? You don't wish good fortune on anyone but yourself?

[hawat333]

I can agree.
First off, content made before the release should be free for everywhone who buys the game. Otherwise it's ripping off customers, which is not buying any symphaties. Feel free to look around on another forums discussing the Exiled Prince, you'll get the picture.
Secondly, just as the game's price decreases over time, it should be the same with DLCs too. You buy a game for a discount price of ten bucks then buy tenth the content for sixty? It just doesn't make sense.

You can give me the "would you work for free" speech, but we all know that it's pretty much overpriced considering the content, and this whole DLC system is about ripping off customers in the first place.
I've always supported expansion packs, and I do buy the DLCs that has actual content in it (so not just items, skins and such), but I can't wholeheartly say it's a fair system.
Time for them to go on sales, discounts, decreasing price here and there, and it'll be much more comfortable to look at.

Modifié par hawat333, 02 mars 2011 - 06:22 .