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[Lord Gremlin]

nijnij wrote...

Lord Gremlin wrote...

Huh. OP, here's the thing - game's value diminishes with time. It's like fashion...

I aknowledged that in all my posts, I'm just asking whether it should be the same for DLC. I don't see what's so hard to understand about it. If anything, this proves this state of things hasn't been questioned enough yet.

Hm. Well, price of DLC does not reliably drop with time, true. Mainly because DLC are what publisher is expecting to make money of... This concerns all digital content, especially on consoles. Watchmen TEN on PSN is still being sold at full price, Warner Bros. policy. Here we have ourselve EA policy. And we just have to deal with it. You can refuse to buy DLC, but you'll miss on DA2 content...

[darklordpocky-san]

let's be fair, Awakening was probably the only good expansion to DA:O

Witch Hunt didn't work for a month, and was really bad, and the other 2 (Golems and Return to Ostagar) weren't really all that worth the trouble.

For completion sake, yeah, go and get the Ultimate addition, or if you're new. But don't feel like you've missed all that much if you opted out.

[ThorodinHawke]

meh i'll buy it right away, buy all the important dlc. when the GOTY or ultimate edition comes out i'll trade it in for credits and but the ultimate edition for the dlc i don't have.

[Morroian]

darklordpocky-san wrote...

Witch Hunt didn't work for a month, and was really bad, and the other 2 (Golems and Return to Ostagar) weren't really all that worth the trouble.

I thought they were. RTO contained some good loot and tghere was some poignancy in returning to ostagar.

Golems contained some interesting additions to the lore with regard to lyrium and the fade.

Neither were long enough but overall I'm glad I got them.

[aznsoisauce]

I'm pretty sure this is the only valid argument against the OP in this thread thus far. 

Riknas wrote...

aznsoisauce wrote...

It would seem that some of you did not read the whole post or did not comprehend the point.

The OP is not requesting free DLC or complaining about the price of DA2 DLC right now. OP wants to know why the price DLC is not discounted after quite some time has passed since its release.

It's completely sensible reasoning, no need to hate.

Very well. Polite response:

They do. Various distributors lower the price of their DLC in various deals over time. Others may choose to purchase the "Ultimate" type editions.

Also, another logic train is that the main reason prices go down at stores is because they ultimately are trying to sell space. Retailers want to sell these old items people aren't buying so they can sell the new shiny items, such as the case may be.

Its part of basic economics, in order to get people to buy them (and subsequently get more shelf space) they reduce prices to increase demand; there is no shelving issue with DLC, incentives are not deemed as vital because they are, in a sense, eternal. They can have as much DLC available as they want without lowering the price because they don't need to make room for new releases.

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(lol bias because it replies to my own post lolololololo) [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/angry.png[/smilie]

[Cozarkian]

Here's another lost profit example: Assume somebody bought DA:O (new) and DA:A, but no other DLC. The cost to purchase the remaining DLC is $39. Coincidentally, the ultimate edition can now be purchased for around $39. If that person chooses to purchase an ultimate edition, EA/Bioware only gets royalties. If the person purchases the DLC, EA/Bioware gets the full $39.

Bioware could capture extra revenue by dropping DLC prices to insure people purchase the individual DLC rather than the ultimate edition.

[metatheurgist]

darklordpocky-san wrote...

let's be fair, Awakening was probably the only good expansion to DA:O

Actually Awakening was the only expansion, everything else was DLC of questionable value. And calling it good is giving good a bad name. If the DLC business model means cutting expansions off at the knees I don't support it.

IMO the many various items, amulets, armors and tomes made an already easy game even easier. You're not missing anything by not having them.

So don't get sucked in by the marketing and pre-order or buy special eds or jump through hoops to supply personal details to Facebook just to get a virtual item. Just wait for the ultimate edition to hit the bargain bin. There are plenty of other things you can be doing in the meantime.

Modifié par metatheurgist, 03 mars 2011 - 03:09 .

[StreetlightEagle]

I won't be getting DLC because I can't. My university doesn't allow access to xbox live

[Kloreep]

Good post OP.

I'm in agreement that not buying DLC for Bioware games may be a good idea, simply as a practical matter. I have held off buying any ME2 DLC precisely because I figure I can probably pick it all up cheaper as a bundle when ME2 Ultimate Edition has been out for a while and goes on sale - that's what happened for me with DAO and its DLC.

Agreed with Eurypterid and others that this is not an issue of fairness. Bioware/EA can price how they like, and we can buy or not buy as we like.

I do agree it's strange that the rest of us who already own the main game don't see discounts. PC DLC never does seem to go on sale, like the main games do, and even some of the XBox DLC do. But merely strange, it's not like they're obligated. Maybe they have reason to believe us PC players aren't very price sensitive like Giltspur suggests. No reason to discount something unless it will, in fact, get a lot more people to buy.

nijnij wrote...

Lord_Saulot wrote...
The market values new games higher than old games.

Then shouldn't the market value new DLC higher than old DLC ?

Yes. And if it does, I imagine Bioware can see that to some extent in their sales figures. (Certainly, it is only some fraction of game owners that buy DLC. What I don't know is how many.)

Riknas wrote...

Also, another logic train is that the main reason prices go down at stores is because they ultimately are trying
to sell space. Retailers want to sell these old items people aren't buying so they can sell the new shiny items, such as the case may be.

However, on-line retailers have no inventory problem. Yet they too have sales. Partly as a matter of price discrimination, I'm sure. Partly also, I would think, as a matter of competition - any given publisher may not want to cut as deep as the Steam holiday sales often do, but they know that if they don't, they're probably just helping any of their competitors who are game.

Cozarkian wrote...

Here's another lost profit example:
Assume somebody bought DA:O (new) and DA:A, but no other DLC. The cost to purchase the remaining DLC is $39. Coincidentally, the ultimate edition can now be purchased for around $39. If that person chooses to purchase an ultimate edition, EA/Bioware only gets royalties. If the person purchases the DLC, EA/Bioware gets the full $39.

Excellent point.



I do wonder if Bioware might have any success with a "Season pass" model, where you buy in to all future DLC for a reduced price compared to piecemeal purchases. For instance, let me pre-order the Ultimate Edition for, say, $80-$90, and give me the game and then the DLCs as they all come out. All kinds of reasons it would be hard and/or impossible to work out in practice, not the least of which is that they may not know themselves at release just how much/what kind of DLC will ultimately be produced. But for the right price, I'd want to buy one.



I would also throw in one more thought: I'm grateful Bioware has consistently made any DLC of consequence available as an a la carte purchase for any platform. I believe there is not a single DLC that is even passingly story-related that has not been made available that way; all the exclusives are just inventory items. If you're a fan who wants everything of consequence, you never have to worry about being left out because you got the wrong platform or edition, it just may cost you a bit much as video games go. *thumbs up*

Modifié par Kloreep, 03 mars 2011 - 03:28 .

[Emzamination]

*Redirected here from another thread*

I think the ultimate edition was meant for people who have no access to internet or xbox live.I got my copy of dragon age back in january of last year before I got live and I remember feeling pretty bad I had no way to directly buy any dlc.

 

[Kloreep]

Emzamination wrote...

I think the ultimate edition was meant for people who have no access to internet or xbox live.I got my copy of dragon age back in january of last year before I got live and I remember feeling pretty bad I had no way to directly buy any dlc.

The UE does still require internet access, though. (At least, the PC version does. Perhaps the console versions do not?)

[BelgusTradis]

So, after all that, what do you need to change your OP from "probably" to "sure"?

[Thiefy]

wow an arguement about DLC that actually makes sense. and here i thought this would be another rant thread about how all dlcs should be free and prepacked with the games.

kudos to actually making sense opening poster

[The_11thDoctor]

aznsoisauce wrote...

It would seem that some of you did not read the whole post or did not comprehend the point.

The OP is not requesting free DLC or complaining about the price of DA2 DLC right now. OP wants to know why the price DLC is not discounted after quite some time has passed since its release.

It's completely sensible reasoning, no need to hate.

People fear what they don't understand.

They also hate on the people who make a great arguement. Maybe if we bring this up to Bioware, they will adjust accordingly. DLC is a new means of delivering content and it's still not well established. Companies dont know what they're doing with it as a whole. Some companies like Bioware do a good job for the most part. Valve just can't be beat when it comes to DLC and taking care of it's fans. Just look at Left for Dead 1&2 and now Portal 2 and what they're doing for anyone buying the PS3 version!

[Kandid001]

Arttis wrote...

I never buy DLC.
Never gonna start.

Bam.

[borelocin]

Kloreep wrote...
I do wonder if Bioware might have any success with a "Season pass" model, where you buy in to all future DLC for a reduced price compared to piecemeal purchases. For instance, let me pre-order the Ultimate Edition for, say, $80-$90, and give me the game and then the DLCs as they all come out. All kinds of reasons it would be hard and/or impossible to work out in practice, not the least of which is that they may not know themselves at release just how much/what kind of DLC will ultimately be produced. But for the right price, I'd want to buy one.

I'd pay an extra $20 up front for a "Season Pass". This is a bloody sensible idea !

Modifié par borelocin, 04 mars 2011 - 10:52 .

[nijnij]

Since this thread has gained some positive response by now, I might as well up it ; I'm curious as to Bioware's opinion on the subject.

Modifié par nijnij, 04 mars 2011 - 07:56 .

[Therefore_I_Am]

DLCs are like, what, 5-6$? Hell, I'd buy it at 5-6$ even if I got the game a year later.

It really isn't that much of a price spike.

[morgueanna]

Therefore_I_Am wrote...

DLCs are like, what, 5-6$? Hell, I'd buy it at 5-6$ even if I got the game a year later.

It really isn't that much of a price spike.

5-6 bucks a piece.  Which adds up to the price of another full, new game, even after a year.  What the OP is saying makes perfect sense.  Why the DLC is still full price when there are other avenues to get it cheaper and give that profit to another company is a foolish business decision.  Especially with another game on the horizon, which means most fans will likely move on to newer content.

[Wulfram]

If it gets good reviews, I might buy it eventually. I didn't get anything for Origins, but I'll probably eventually get LotSB.

[Kloreep]

nijnij wrote...

I'm curious as to Bioware's opinion on the subject.

I am too, but I'm doubtful Bioware folks are about to post their thoughts on their own company's marketing strategies here.

[Robodragon]

since i'm to lazy to read through all the post to see if someone else hasen't post this yet i'm gonna say it anyways. Several times the DLC has gone on sale for about at least 1 week each time going from 50% -70% off, dlc do go down for promotional deals, for people who are waiting for the price to drop i think that is all plenty if you don't bother to get it then then its a simple fact of you just don't want the dlc all the much period.

[Kloreep]

Robodragon wrote...

since i'm to lazy to read through all the post to see if someone else hasen't post this yet i'm gonna say it anyways. Several times the DLC has gone on sale for about at least 1 week each time going from 50% -70% off, dlc do go down for promotional deals, for people who are waiting for the price to drop i think that is all plenty if you don't bother to get it then then its a simple fact of you just don't want the dlc all the much period.

I was too lazy to read through your run-on sentence all that closely. (Okay, no offense intended dude, but you set me up. ) But I do see you mentioned previous sales. Is that for the PC version? If so, maybe I did indeed simply miss them, but the only sales I can remember were for console DLC.

[Eurypterid]

Robodragon wrote...

since i'm to lazy to read through all the post to see if someone else hasen't post this yet i'm gonna say it anyways. Several times the DLC has gone on sale for about at least 1 week each time going from 50% -70% off, dlc do go down for promotional deals, for people who are waiting for the price to drop i think that is all plenty if you don't bother to get it then then its a simple fact of you just don't want the dlc all the much period.

I've never seen a DLC price drop for the PC, although I known it has for consoles.

[Manic Sheep]

Games drop in value over time and things are usually cheaper when packaged instead of sold separately. If choose to buy a game early expect that you will have paid more for less that someone who waits a year. Plus the sceptical need convincing and incentives are needed to convince people to buy a game that is old when there are plenty of shinny new games around. The trade off is obviously that you didn’t have to wait and got to play and enjoy the the game earlier.
I do think it would be good if the DLC’s droped in price over time like the games tho. It’s odd when the add-ons cost more than the game itself.
Why do they never have sales for the PC DLCs? is there a specific reason? (not angry about it, I just wonder why I have never seem a PC DLC sale)

Modifié par Manic Sheep, 04 mars 2011 - 11:21 .