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[jeweledleah]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Oh yeah, Shepard is such a Master Finder of Ways to Stop the Reapers. Only can somebody, please, remind me, how it went for him the last time?.. Oh, actually, don't bother, I recall it: he was killed.

wait what?  Shepard wasn't killed by the reapers, Shepard died in a collector attack weeks later and according to EDI, it was the exact same ship that later turned up on Horizon and then yet again - as a disabeled vessel trap that TIM knowingly sends us to.

I'm sure all of it is just coincidences.

and yet - shepard was the one who found reapers, who found a way t figure out waht sovereign was after, who STOPPED the sovereign.

yeah, shepard is so helpless, he couldn't possibly do anything without TIM's interferance.

Modifié par jeweledleah, 05 mars 2011 - 08:26 .

[ubermensch007]

To those who feel that they would have liked the option of giving the Collector Base over to another (so thought of) more 'trustworthy organisation' like the Alliance or Citadel Council.And that Cerebus and TIM are incompetent reckless and disaster prone.Let me remind you of The Illusive Man and Cerebus Command, greatest achievements to date...The Lazarus Project, The Normandy SR2, EDI, and the Dossier List was all of thier design...Everthing that Shepard needed to get the job done, (in a way) was provided by them.After completing ME2, i personally felt like the victory belonged more to Cerebus than Commander Shepard.TIM was the 'Coach' ( He wrote the playbook) Shep was the 'Quarterback'...

And as they say, "To the victor goes the spoils." The idea of handing over all that tech to those who do not even believe that the Reapes exist, ( The Citadel Council) is OUTRAGEOUS... Sigh...We all live what we believe.Perception is 9 tenths of reality...Reaper tech does not exist to them, so they cannot have access to it: but it does exist to Cerebus, and that's why they found it and now posses it! Cerebus Operatives, risked their lives, limbs and very sanity in order to defeat the Collectors.The crew of the Normandy SR-2 was abducted and nearly liquified.Those on the Derelict Reaper were turned into Husks or went mad.Whatever Cerebus may be or do in the aftermath of the War with the Reapers.No one can deny that by rights, they have earned and are entilted to whatever benefits may come from the Collector Base...

[Rekkampum]

ubermensch007 wrote...

To those who feel that they would have liked the option of giving the Collector Base over to another (so thought of) more 'trustworthy organisation' like the Alliance or Citadel Council.And that Cerebus and TIM are incompetent reckless and disaster prone.Let me remind you of The Illusive Man and Cerebus Command, greatest achievements to date...The Lazarus Project, The Normandy SR2, EDI, and the Dossier List was all of thier design...Everthing that Shepard needed to get the job done, (in a way) was provided by them.After completing ME2, i personally felt like the victory belonged more to Cerebus than Commander Shepard.TIM was the 'Coach' ( He wrote the playbook) Shep was the 'Quarterback'...
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LOL. The Lazarus Project? Can someone say "deus ex machina" that most likely relied on some other alien species'  advanced technology that we haven't heard of yet? Let's also remind ourselves that the SR2 had to get special upgrades in order for it to stand a chance against the Collectors, so we can't be so sure of ourselves. They may have recruited the best, but they didn't "make" them what they are - except for Shepard maybe.

Modifié par Rekkampum, 05 mars 2011 - 08:44 .

[Ieldra]

Rekkampum wrote...
LOL. The Lazarus Project? Can someone say "deus ex machina" that most likely relied on some other alien species'  advanced technology that we haven't heard of yet?

Yeah, just pull alien technology out of the hat with no single piece of evidence. Anything, anything to avoid having to grant Cerberus the least bit of merit, because it's evil ™ and we can't have that.

Let's also remind ourselves that the SR2 had to get special upgrades in order for it to stand a chance against the Collectors, so we can't be so sure of ourselves. They may have recruited the best, but they didn't "make" them what they are - except for Shepard maybe.

That is incorrect. The SR2 does all right against the collectors without the upgrade. The difference is that there are casualties, but the mission still gets done. You can't blame anyone for not having the foresight to plan a perfect outcome in the face of the unknown. Yet another grasping at straws to avoid having to admit that Cerberus did something right that nobody else did at the time.

I'm not a fan of Cerberus, but these kinds of arguments are just silly.

[Zulu_DFA]

jeweledleah wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Oh yeah, Shepard is such a Master Finder of Ways to Stop the Reapers. Only can somebody, please, remind me, how it went for him the last time?.. Oh, actually, don't bother, I recall it: he was killed.

wait what?  Shepard wasn't killed by the reapers, Shepard died in a collector attack weeks later and according to EDI, it was the exact same ship that later turned up on Horizon and then yet again - as a disabeled vessel trap that TIM knowingly sends us to.

Looks like the Collectors didn't have many ships. But even one had been enough to pawn Mr. Reaper-Slayer, before he was adopted by TIM.

jeweledleah wrote...

I'm sure all of it is just coincidences.

Yes, I know, TIM set it all up. Only I don't buy it, even though I'd be the first to jump on this theory, if it had a tiniest grain of sense and plausibility. (One of my own standing theories says that TIM may be going to set Shepard up for a trap and incarceration by the Alliance - after he has used him up on the Collectors and the Shadow Broker.)

jeweledleah wrote...

and yet - shepard was the one who found reapers, who found a way t figure out waht sovereign was after, who STOPPED the sovereign.

...on a ship promoted by Cerberus, pushed into the Spectres by Cerberus-y Udina, and spoon-fed with every bit of useful information by various third parties. And possibly tricked in the end by Vigil into something not so good.

jeweledleah wrote...

yeah, shepard is so helpless, he couldn't possibly do anything without TIM's interferance.

He could stay dead.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 05 mars 2011 - 10:56 .

[AdmiralCheez]

@Zulu: Vigil's theme song is too awesome for treachery. Your argument is invalid.

[CroGamer002]

ZULU, seriously about Vigil?

[jeweledleah]

Zulu, how the heck did they find Normandy in a first place?
they seem to routinely find Shepard.. one small stealth ship with one man..and they constantly find him so easily. would Shepard have even died (other then plot device that explains why we're forced into working with Cerberus and why we start out from zero again)?

Shepard found the reapers on an alliance ship, funded by alliance,e he was suggested for spectre candidacy by Hacket if I remember my voices correctly. he gathered a lot of the information himself, with council barely throwing him scraps and he was stuck gathering his own resources to get anywhere in a main mission.

TIM brought Shepard back. yes. I don't think he intended for him to die, but I do think that he set him up to get Shepard into his clutches - the conversation with Miranda right at the start shows that even then he has plans for Shepard. Lazarus project was a setback, but also an opportunity to isolate Shepard, even better then he could have managed if they didn't have to bring Shepard back.



the spoon feeding by TIM in ME2 was more detrimental then helpful, its by sheer will and prior contacts made before encountering Cerberus (that TIM came close to ruining with his ruthless, shortcut tactics) that Shepard manages to gather as much information/resources as he does.

Did Vigil trick Shepard? only if Protheans programed it to do so which doesn't seem like they did. vigil guides Shepard to conduit, it explains its purpose, it clears up some of the misunderstandings, Vigil's information is backed up with independent findings by other non-related parties (keepers information - you get an e-mail on, if you kept those guys alive and let them continue keeper research, for example)

Modifié par jeweledleah, 05 mars 2011 - 11:09 .

[jeweledleah]

again there are logical reasons to save the base. destroying it is not the only or best solution. but neither is saving it, and this sanctification of TIM some of you fall into, are you really that naive?

[Zulu_DFA]

jeweledleah wrote...

Zulu, how the heck did they find Normandy in a first place?

Er... Shadow Broker?

jeweledleah wrote...

they seem to routinely find Shepard.. one small stealth ship with one man..

If you actively look for something, you might find it.

jeweledleah wrote...

and they constantly find him so easily.

As for the #2 and #3 encounters, TIM openly admits to you, that it was his manipulations. But only after you manage to prove him right about you.

And before we delve into another discussion how a supeior should not mislead a subordiante about the plan of campaign, go watch the classical WWII movie, called A Bridge Too Far, if you don't know any better.

jeweledleah wrote...

would Shepard have even died (other then plot device that explains why we're forced into working with Cerberus and why we start out from zero again)?

It happens in his line of work, and he did die, so I suppose yes, he would.

jeweledleah wrote...

Shepard found the reapers on an alliance ship, funded by alliance,e he was suggested for spectre candidacy by Hacket if I remember my voices correctly.

No, it's Udina, who picks him out of a supposed list, and Hackett and Anderson give him their opinions and charecteristics of Shepard. Then Udina promises to "make the call".

jeweledleah wrote...

he gathered a lot of the information himself, with council barely throwing him scraps and he was stuck gathering his own resources to get anywhere in a main mission.

Ah, yes, "Big Choices".

jeweledleah wrote...

TIM brought Shepard back. yes. I don't think he intended for him to die, but I do think that he set him up to get Shepard into his clutches - the conversation with Miranda right at the start shows that even then he has plans for Shepard. Lazarus project was a setback, but also an opportunity to isolate Shepard, even better then he could have managed if they didn't have to bring Shepard back.

You know, even I wouldn't give TIM's prognostic capabilities so much credit... But who knows, maybe he can really see the future?

jeweledleah wrote...

the spoon feeding by TIM in ME2 was more detrimental then helpful, its by sheer will and prior contacts made before encountering Cerberus (that TIM came close to ruining with his ruthless, shortcut tactics) that Shepard manages to gather as much information/resources as he does.

Sorry, can't tell what are you talking about. The only "resource" Shepard can (optionally) acquire on his own in ME2 is Legion and the Geth. Not a small thing, especially in the long run, but not that critical, especially to the mission at hand. Everythig else Shepard has got in ME2 is thanks to TIM.

jeweledleah wrote...

Did Vigil trick Shepard? only if Protheans programed it to do so which doesn't seem like they did. vigil guides Shepard to conduit, it explains its purpose, it clears up some of the misunderstandings, Vigil's information is backed up with independent findings by other non-related parties (keepers information - you get an e-mail on, if you kept those guys alive and let them continue keeper research, for example)

I have a special thread for it, so let's not get into this here.

jeweledleah wrote...

again there are logical reasons to save the base. destroying it is not
the only or best solution. but neither is saving it, and this
sanctification of TIM some of you fall into, are you really that naive?

Of any given two options, one is bound to be the best, and the other - the worst. And the C-Base argument has been always about the fact that the logical reasons are primarilly on the "keep it" side. That promped some people to advocate that "emotional reasons", which are responsible for the "blow it" decision, are equally valid, etc. But they are not.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 06 mars 2011 - 01:13 .

[DPSSOC]

jeweledleah wrote...

Zulu, how the heck did they find Normandy in a first place?
they seem to routinely find Shepard.. one small stealth ship with one man..and they constantly find him so easily.

Ok my memory isn't what it used to be but as I recall they only find the Normandy twice.  First with the destruction of the original Normandy (which I suspect was a trap set by them to get Shepard) and next the IFF incident.  All other meetings with the Collectors and the Normandy are because Shepard went to them.

[Rekkampum]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Yeah, just pull alien technology out of the hat with no single piece of evidence. Anything, anything to avoid having to grant Cerberus the least bit of merit, because it's evil ™ and we can't have that.

You're trying too hard to be critical, and as a result, are making assumptions that are ill-founded. Perhaps I simply recognize a plot device for what it is. The same would have been said if the Alliance was behind it, so your sarcasm is pointless and tawdry.

That is incorrect. The SR2 does all right against the collectors without the upgrade. The difference is that there are casualties, but the mission still gets done. You can't blame anyone for not having the foresight to plan a perfect outcome in the face of the unknown. Yet another grasping at straws to avoid having to admit that Cerberus did something right that nobody else did at the time.

I'm not a fan of Cerberus, but these kinds of arguments are just silly.

You've missed the entire point of my comment, which was in direct response to the other poster's proselytizing of the organization at the expense of the competence of the people who actually did sacrifice their lives to save the galaxy. Of course the SR2 does decent without additional assistance, but I think it's pretty clear to see that your squad is also isntrumental to the crew's success and survival.

Might I ask what "straws" I'm grasping at? I choose to recognize the accomplishments of individuals as their accomplishments, not simply those of the organization overshadowing them. Does that detract from them? No. It simply gives respect where respect is due. 

[ubermensch007]

I still believe that Shepard Commander, was betrayed by some in the Alliance and Citadel Council and that's how the Collectors ambushed the Normandy SR-1...Think about it, in a way the prologue text as much as says this, here you have Shepard talking about ancient sentient star ships, routinely commiting galactic genocide.The Council is still unconvinced, In spite of all Spectre Shepard, has acheived for humanity.As Ambassador Udina said to Shep before locking the Normandy SR-1 in the docking station. "You're becoming more trouble than your worth."

After the Battle of the Citadel, Shepard attains the status of an 'Icon' a 'Living Legend' or downright Mythic Figure! He or she is growing in power and influence.All you have to do is look at how those Shepard use to work for behave, not long after he is declared K.I.A. Jacob Taylor, tells us how quickly Shep went from being the Alliance 'poster boy' to something less flattering.Engineer Kenneth and Gabriella, tell us how the Alliance Brass tried to dismiss Commander Shepard's concerns and so forth.I'm not a Detective but, in terms of who had the most to gain from Shepard's death.Its his own employers...He refused to tow the party line or convential wisdom (that Soveriegn was a Geth invention) or whatever you want to call it and they killed him.

As Rage Against the Machine says about MLK, " They went after King, cause he spoke out on Vietnam!"

Rakkapum, even if The Lazarus Project, was unessasary and Shepard never died, saving Joker's life.He still would have teamed up with Cerebus as a Spectre.On account of how the Council was dicking him around! Having his crew doing silly patrols to look for Geth hideouts.TIM, would have probably had Ms.Lawson make contact with Shepard Commander, directly.The Lazarus Project was just a convient way to jump 2 years into the future and have your ME1 Team disbanded...

[Markinator_123]

jeweledleah wrote...

again there are logical reasons to save the base. destroying it is not the only or best solution. but neither is saving it, and this sanctification of TIM some of you fall into, are you really that naive?

I'm not basing my decision to save the base on trust. At this point, you can not be paralyzed by a lack of trust. You need all the help you can get. While I don't trust the Illusive Man, I do acknowledge that he wants to stop the Reapers and and to ensure human dominance. These are the goals that I agree with and with these in mind I find saving the base to be the logical solution for me. Besides, the Illusive Man has proven to be a much more helpful ally than the council ever has. Without his resources and aid, Shepard would not have destroyed the Collectors. The council would have caused galactic extinction if it wasn't for Anderson (no don't blame the lockdown on Udina because the council could have easily overriden his decision). By the way, it felt good sacrificing the council for the greater good.

Modifié par Markinator_123, 06 mars 2011 - 01:51 .

[Rekkampum]

ubermensch007 wrote...
Rakkapum, even if The Lazarus Project, was unessasary and Shepard never died, saving Joker's life.He still would have teamed up with Cerebus as a Spectre.On account of how the Council was dicking him around! Having his crew doing silly patrols to look for Geth hideouts.TIM, would have probably had Ms.Lawson make contact with Shepard Commander, directly.The Lazarus Project was just a convient way to jump 2 years into the future and have your ME1 Team disbanded...

Did you even pay attention to what I was saying? This has nothing to do with any form of dislike about him joining Cerberus. Second of all, anyone with commonsense knows that - for most paragon and even some renegade players, for instance - their Shepard would not willingly join Cerberus, especially after all the missions you did in the first game fighting either failed experiments like Thorian Creepers or avenging Admiral Kahoku's assassination. It would be impossible for Shepard, especially given this background history, to see anything beneficial from allying with the group. Unless he died and was magically ressurected by them. 

Modifié par Rekkampum, 06 mars 2011 - 01:55 .

[DxWill10]

why bother with picking one or the other? Surely everyone who enjoys this game plans on playing it more than once. If you're like me, and want to get the most experience out of the game, create at least 1 all paragon playthrough destroying the base, and 1 all renegade choice playthrough while keeping the base. This way you get to see all outcomes in mass effect 3!

After that, youre set. Unless someone feels compelled to be dead set one way or another about the subject and is allowing their personal feelings to diminish the hugely broad experience potential the game offers. But that just seems silly.

Edit: Lol zulu, seriously. I admire the amount of thought you put into these theories, but  Vigil having any purpose other than a benevolent one is proposterous.  I agree that the vigil theory you've instigated is indeed worthy of debating and discussion. anything with that much thought put into it warrants examination. But in reality, he will NOT turn out that way.  He has played his part.  To think that Bioware would redeem him as some sort of villian is absurd.

Modifié par DxWill10, 06 mars 2011 - 06:44 .

[Zulu_DFA]

DxWill10 wrote...

Edit: Lol zulu, seriously. I admire the amount of thought you put into these theories, but  Vigil having any purpose other than a benevolent one is proposterous.  I agree that the vigil theory you've instigated is indeed worthy of debating and discussion. anything with that much thought put into it warrants examination. But in reality, he will NOT turn out that way.  He has played his part.  To think that Bioware would redeem him as some sort of villian is absurd.

Yeah, chances are high, they'll just silently retcon Vigil out of existence, which they pretty much have already done in Genesis. Still Vigil's tale (and Saren's plan) will continue to make zero sense.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 06 mars 2011 - 11:08 .

[Callidus Thorn]

I always destroy the collector base. I don't trust the Illusive Man, and the reapers are likely too smart to leave tech lying around that could give someone the edge over them. Everything the Reapers left behind was to force the races who found them along certain lines, like the mass relays. Collector tech wouldn't help because the Reapers are more advanced that that anyway.

[Arijharn]

Moiaussi wrote...
You do realize it would be a lot easier finding ways to stop them if we hadn't been hamstrung by Cerberus deliberately leaking information that we were working with them and making every effort to undermine Shepard's credibility, not to mention conceiling proof of the Reapers' existance from the Council simply so Cerberus can have an exclusive on any toys they find.

Shephard's credibility was already shot as soon as our hero got himself killed by the Collectors. This was described to us in detail by a few sources, one of which was our engineer's (one of which almost got discharged for gross insurbordination if memory serves) and by Joker who pretty much at the very start said that everything he stirred up, they just wanted it gone.

Which makes TIM name dropping Shephard more to do with adding a sense of urgency to Alliance operations. The political '**** storm' that could eventuate if the mass media got wind of the fact that the hero of the citadel was now working for the avowed enemy of the Council. I actually think doing that was quite clever, Cerberus took advantage of it's own infamy (and Shephard's political worth) to get things moving quickly.

Cerberus' reputation would have have worked against them though in regards to the Derelict Reaper in my estimation (if that's what you're talking about in regards to 'concealing' evidence of the Reaper). Truth to be told, if the Council couldn't believe that Sovereign was a Reaper, but was merely a highly advanced construction of the Geth, then I doubt that the Derelict Reaper could persuade them otherwise. In other words, what was once a unique highly advanced warship now becomes two highly advanced warships. 

Remember though, the study of the gravitic anomaly of the brown dwarf lost out to some other scientific curiosity, and I'm inclined to believe that due to the past actions of the Council, if they did somehow get sent to the Derelict, they'd probably just see a partially destroyed geth warship currently being studied by Cerberus operatives and seeing their worst fears imagined, promptly decide to destroy it.

Moiaussi wrote...
And the other powers ARE finding answers. The Normandy upgrades come from the Quarians, from the Turians, the Salarians, the Alliance....  EDI is Cerberus' contribution. It is interesting though that Cerberus is pro-AI's despite the Geth war. TIM seems very arbitrary in Cerberus' mandate.

While those are advancements, I see no point in resting on my laurels by thinking that they're 'enough.' Onwards and upwards so they say.
Cerberus has always been about the advancement of humanity in general, utilizing AI's that can fulfill niche roles in advance of 'organics'  doesn't sound too arbitrary to me to be honest, because either way it's a benefit for humanity. 

[Arijharn]

jeweledleah wrote...
I'm not hoping that something comes along,  I already have all the nessesary information in EDi's databanks.  I also have a much better chance to use galactic alliances then if I had stayed with Cerberus. 

Are you absolutely sure? Because... EDI didn't know about the Reaper-Larva until you happened upon it, which implies to me that data-mining isn't as fool-proof as many people seem to think it is. Also (gameplay speaking...) why is it that Shephard only gets cash bounties when he manually scans items in the Collector Ship and afterwards the base? Why couldn't have EDI 'data-mined' it?

Look, if you take a vase and smash it to bits with a hammer, even if you were so inclined to re-assemble it afterwards, it wouldn't be exact. Some pieces may have been pulverised, other pieces may even have scattered to far and gotten lost. You can never be sure, and I don't think you can prudently say that you can take that risk, considering the order of magnitude threat that the Reapers represent doesn't really broke any second chances.

jeweledleah wrote...
how would collector base help me deal with incocrination exactly?  that quiet buzz you get in your head, even on a derelict reaper - it wasn't there.  which means that if there was some information on it presentk, it was only theoretical data - which EDI then has. 

The point being is a) You can't safely take that risk and you want as much sample data as possible so you can remove chaotic elements from your experiment. You want it to be as bulletproof as possible, and considering the Reaper Larva in the basement it seems to present the safest (and now, probably the only) option to study it considering the Derelict Reaper is destroyed and it's unlikely (but not impossible) that you can use Sovereign's carcass.
Truth to be told, I don't know if Indoctrination is going to be the be all and end all in any engagement with the Reapers, but that's totally besides the point. I don't know if it will be, but if it is, I want it to be studied, and I don't want my solution to only be 'theoretical' either.

jewel wrote.
We know about some of their structural weaknesses from exploring the derelict reaper and from information left over from the sovereign.  the new reaper that was constructed was obviously not the same as the old type, we need information about the older types to deal with them - and we have it.  aren't our own shields based on reaper technology?  if so we already have both information of how they are made and how to disrupt them, all we need to do now is build the means - and we don't need collector base for that.

Again, increase your sample size to eliminate aberrants in your experiment. Lets find out for sure if all Reapers are constructed the same way, lets find out for sure if all Reapers have similiar weapon capabilities. Lets find out for sure if there is structural weaknesses we can take advantage of. 
Currently, Dreadnought firepower is insufficient to breech Reaper shield technology, considering our technological progress seems to be rather stagnant and has been for some period of time, I don't think it's wise to say: "oh we'll be okay!" without some sort of guiding light to go for. Knowing that Reaper technology is similiar to ours is only half the battle.
Truth to be told, while it's incredibly promising, we don't even know if Thanix weapons are capable of penetrating Reaper shields (or hell, even it's armour!), because currently our limitations of it is confined to frigates and fighters.

jeweledleah wrote...
again, to me means are important.  they make a difference.  I'm not sociopathic enough, I don't disregard people enough to just take the shortcut regardless of the cost.  I have to concider those costs, and giving TIM the based makes those costs too high.

If your actions are directly responsible for the complete extermination of galactic civilisation because you're afraid of a possible future threat, then I hate to say it but you are sociopathic enough... are you sure you're a paragon?

Paragon's are people who are supposed to be about putting others first, as being someone that perople aspires too -- but if you're so afraid of shadows that you inadvertently kill everyone everywhere, then... well, you're neither a paragon nor are you a renegade. You're the Antichrist Death. 

Trusting TIM completely is not a necessity to give him the CB, only the belief that he's serious about stopping the Reapers. That doesn't mean you can't take independent action or potentially  sell out TIM later though. I don't think it's the case of: interspecies co-operation or successful development of CB assets. Hell, we don't even know yet if we can take some Cerberus development of a giant Directed Energy Weapon (capable of destroying the Reapers for example) and then just passing the schematics along to the (new) Shadow Broker.

[Callidus Thorn]

The thing about giving the collector base to TIM, is that stopping the reapers is only his short term goal. Long term he wants human supremacy, he's only after the Reapers because they're targeting humanity. I'm not so sure he'd be as interested if it were Turian colonies disappearing.

Giving TIM the base solves the immediate problem, but basically you've opened pandora's box. You've given hugely advanced technology to a man dedicated to ensuring that humanity is on top. There's no way to know how far he'd be willing to go with that technology, experimenting with Rachni and Thorian creepers was bad enough, but this would be so much worse.

[Zulu_DFA]

Callidus Thorn wrote...

The thing about giving the collector base to TIM, is that stopping the reapers is only his short term goal. Long term he wants human supremacy, he's only after the Reapers because they're targeting humanity. I'm not so sure he'd be as interested if it were Turian colonies disappearing.

Giving TIM the base solves the immediate problem, but basically you've opened pandora's box. You've given hugely advanced technology to a man dedicated to ensuring that humanity is on top. There's no way to know how far he'd be willing to go with that technology, experimenting with Rachni and Thorian creepers was bad enough, but this would be so much worse.

And to avoid that you'd rather doom the Galaxy to extiction. So that nobody would be on top again but the Reapers.

[Callidus Thorn]

You can't guarantee that will happen. The Reaper's main advantages were always:
1) closing the relay network
2) hitting the citadel first, usually the seat of any centralized government
3) surprise, due to keeping their existence concealed
4) advanced technology

Two of these, however have been neutralized. They can no longer jump to the citadel and strike, and there are groups moving against them. Without the citadel and the gate network, it was just mopping up system by system, while everyone flails around panicking trying to find out what's gone wrong. They might not even be able to close the relay system, it could well be controlled from somewhere inside the citadel, presumably a location only the keepers could access.

That's potentially three of their major advantages neutralized. And the benefit of their advanced technology is limited to an extent by their relatively low numbers. Victory against them is not impossible.

Modifié par Callidus Thorn, 06 mars 2011 - 03:04 .