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[upsettingshorts]

Did they nerf Nightmare? Where's the evidence of their having claimed to have done so?

Unless Nightmare on DAO demanded more than running your entire party optimally, and I'm not entirely sure what that would entai.  Playing with one hand?  Using a different language?  

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 02 mars 2011 - 03:55 .

[wowpwnslol]

Covi wrote...


At least a few people from Bioware must beat it so they know it's possible, and it must be possible for all classes. If one person can do it, many players can, especially with pause-and-play.

No offense to Bioware people, but they are not good at all. Before DA release they claimed "DA NM was almost impossible with fully min maxed party".

...Then people soloed it on nightmare a couple of months after it came it.

[TwistedComplex]

Are you guys reading that forum? It's hilarious

50% say casual on origins was too hard, others say nightmare was a face roll

[wowpwnslol]

TwistedComplex wrote...

Are you guys reading that forum? It's hilarious

50% say casual on origins was too hard, others say nightmare was a face roll

On casual difficulty in DA, you could set up tactics correctly and have the AI win every battle for you.

[GunClubGirl]

Thank you for the article. I may try out hard having read this. I got through Origins fine on normal but there were times when I had to repeat battles because the party died and I find that repetition tedious and boring, so I want to avoid that. On my second playthrough I also waited until my character was more levelled up before starting levels that I found harder the first time around so they would be easier the second time. But on the other hand I do pay attention to the companions and tactics. So I may have to try both normal and hard to find my niche. As for casual, I never play any game on casual. Maybe it is an ego thing, but when I think of casual I think of new players, people who aren't "gamers", and kids, none of which I am.

[TwistedComplex]

wowpwnslol wrote...

Covi wrote...


At least a few people from Bioware must beat it so they know it's possible, and it must be possible for all classes. If one person can do it, many players can, especially with pause-and-play.

No offense to Bioware people, but they are not good at all. Before DA release they claimed "DA NM was almost impossible with fully min maxed party".

...Then people soloed it on nightmare a couple of months after it came it.

There are ways to solo on nightmare, but you have to play your class in a way that Bioware never intended

I saw a guy solo a pride demon on night mare, he was a dwarf rogue, but he had on a rode and a mage cowl....

I think it's good that they're fixing that kind of inconsistancy

[TwistedComplex]

wowpwnslol wrote...

TwistedComplex wrote...

Are you guys reading that forum? It's hilarious

50% say casual on origins was too hard, others say nightmare was a face roll

On casual difficulty in DA, you could set up tactics correctly and have the AI win every battle for you.

Yes, but you have to think of the broad audience who plays this game

Not everyone is going to know how to solo nightmare(In fact i dare say less than 1% of DA:O players could), and to punish the casual gamer because of it is not only cruel, but a rediculous business stratagy

I like a wide spectrum of difficulties

I play on the casual setting after about 4 play-throughs, just so i can absorb the story. I don't want to have to spend 10 minutes on every minor fight if i've beaten the game 10 times already

Modifié par TwistedComplex, 02 mars 2011 - 04:05 .

[upsettingshorts]

wowpwnslol wrote...

On casual difficulty in DA, you could set up tactics correctly and have the AI win every battle for you.

You can do that on Hard, too.  Tactics can be powerful if used correctly.

[Erani]

Cool. Thank you for posting this.

[AkiKishi]

TwistedComplex wrote...

Yes, but you have to think of the broad audience who plays this game

Not everyone is going to know how to solo nightmare(In fact i dare say less than 1% of DA:O players could), and to punish the casual gamer because of it is not only cruel, but a rediculous business stratagy

I always found soloing Bioware games easier than playing with 6 from BG onwards.

[SnowHeart1]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

Casual must be overly casual then!

Seriously. I'm sorry, but if DA2's "normal" is the same as DAO's "casual", then what is DA2's "casual" -- sit there and watch a movie? Look, I'm going to love DA2 and I love Bioware (I've already decided my first playthrough is going to be on Hard... sadly I thought that meant my gaming skills had improved but now I've been disabused of that notion), but this is nothing but fodder for the "they dumbed it down" argument and, frankly, there's an element of truth to it... People found "normal" to be too difficult because they couldn't figure out the RPG mechanics and, because playing "casual" is somehow an insult, Bioware decided to make things easier. Wow. Just... wow. 

Modifié par SnowHeart1, 02 mars 2011 - 04:10 .

[TwistedComplex]

BobSmith101 wrote...

TwistedComplex wrote...

Yes, but you have to think of the broad audience who plays this game

Not everyone is going to know how to solo nightmare(In fact i dare say less than 1% of DA:O players could), and to punish the casual gamer because of it is not only cruel, but a rediculous business stratagy

I always found soloing Bioware games easier than playing with 6 from BG onwards.

Well not everyone is you. Not every game has to be 10 times harder than Ninja Gaiden on impossible mode with no saves in order to please the hard core crowd

You could take the hardest game on the planet, crank up the difficulty, and someone will say it's easy

[Romantiq]

Starting on hardest settings right away because that makes game longer and more enjoyable.

[TwistedComplex]

SnowHeart1 wrote...

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

Casual must be overly casual then!

Seriously. I'm sorry, but if DA2's "normal" is the same as DAO's "casual", then what is DA2's "casual" -- sit there and watch a movie? Look, I'm going to love DA2 and I love Bioware (I've already decided my first playthrough is going to be on Hard... sadly I thought that meant my gaming skills had improved but now I've been disabused of that notion), but this is nothing but provide fodder for the "they dumbed it down" argument and, frankly, there's an element of truth to it... People found "normal" to be too difficult because they couldn't figure out the RPG mechanics and, because playing "casual" is somehow an insult, Bioware decided to make things easier. Wow. Just... wow. 

Well Bioware had to patch DA:Os difficulty within a month because of the flood of complaints about how they were being eaten alive, so i doubt they're going to make the same mistake again

Besides, just play it on Nightmare, i have and it's plenty difficult... Then again I'm probably a mouth breathing casual neckbeard console kid

[SnowHeart1]

TwistedComplex wrote...
Then again I'm probably a mouth breathing casual neckbeard console kid

No no no... It's "konsole kiddy". Don't worry, you'll get it right when you hit your teens in 3 or 4 years.   (I hope it's obvious I'm joking. Seriously, my previous post isn't intended to attack fellow players. It's a criticism of Bioware's decision; that is all that should be read into it.)

[Drizzt ORierdan]

I think all in all it's a bizantyne argument... as long as there are more difficult settings, hardcore gamers shouldnt complain...
my greatest complain about the new game is not the different difficult settings but the arcade style/interaction and over the top speed... that its what's ruining the experience for little old me, but OFF TOPIC. :-)

[Saibh]

I don't think there's such a thing as a Nightmare so difficult that "hardcore" players will bend and call it that. Every single game I've ever heard of with this setting, the fans of the game say "Oh, I soloed Nightmare". And then, of course, people have to top that.

"I soloed Nightmare without dying!"

"I soloed Nightmare without dying or using potions!"

"I soloed Nightmare without dying, using potions, or leveling up!"

And on and on and on.

[wowpwnslol]

Well Bioware had to patch DA:Os difficulty within a month because of the flood of complaints about how they were being eaten alive, so i doubt they're going to make the same mistake again

Besides, just play it on Nightmare, i have and it's plenty difficult... Then again I'm probably a mouth breathing casual neckbeard console kid

The major complaint was that they nerfed encounters for harder difficulties as well. Like I said earlier, I am fine with making noob difficulty an interactive movie. I am NOT fine with nerfing of hardest difficulties as a result of whining from casuals.

[FellowerOfOdin]

wowpwnslol wrote...

TwistedComplex wrote...

Are you guys reading that forum? It's hilarious

50% say casual on origins was too hard, others say nightmare was a face roll

On casual difficulty in DA, you could set up tactics correctly and have the AI win every battle for you.

In the demo, that is normal mode, you can stand around and your party wins every battle maybe except for the ogre. That's nice, it's cool that Bioware also caters to mentally disabled

[Dubya75]

wowpwnslol wrote...

Well Bioware had to patch DA:Os difficulty within a month because of the flood of complaints about how they were being eaten alive, so i doubt they're going to make the same mistake again

Besides, just play it on Nightmare, i have and it's plenty difficult... Then again I'm probably a mouth breathing casual neckbeard console kid

The major complaint was that they nerfed encounters for harder difficulties as well. Like I said earlier, I am fine with making noob difficulty an interactive movie. I am NOT fine with nerfing of hardest difficulties as a result of whining from casuals.

Let's face it, you're just TOO AWESOME!

[LexXxich]

A question hard. If the game is so full of combat as first one was, with "another wave" and triggers and other MMO-ish things, shouldn't I play on Casual to just breeze through it?
Or should I start with Hard, as DAO's Normal felt more or less right for me?

[Ivolon]

I am far more worried about encounter design to be honest. We have yet to see fight where the tactical side of gamplay doesn´t end at pausing and placing aoes. Even the hardest difficulty setting doesn´t make fighting wave after wave of bland clone trooper more interesting.

[Beerfish]

wowpwnslol wrote...

Just proves how terrible 99% of the players are. You can literally set up tactics and faceroll your way through every battle on noob difficulties.

lol, if 99% of the players are terrible then the game should be set up to accomodate that 99% not the 1% that is 'elite'

[tasca1180]

I'm a casual player and don't care that others might laugh. I've done all of my four playthroughs on casual and loved it. I want to charge mindlessly at my foe and kill it without having to reload. Yup, I'll have fun with DA2 on casual!

Oh, and one thing - don't call it the "noob setting". I'm no noob and haven't been for a lot of years (I feel old...). I just enjoy the game for its story and characters, not the challenging fights. 

Modifié par tasca1180, 02 mars 2011 - 04:23 .