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[Perles75]

I guess the Italian market of videogames is not thriving enough as the German or the French one to justify a full Italian version of DA2 (even if it seems strange to me).

P.S: I'm Italian too but frankly I cannot stand translated games! (yes yes, I'm an elitist ^^)

[The Elder King]

DSerpa wrote...

Ares_mito wrote...

DSerpa wrote...

Because the Italians are a dirty people, obviously.

It's probably because English, German, and French are the working languages of the European Union, of which Italy is a member.

You should know Italy is a founder member and about working languages Italy won a legal proceeding.

I'm American. You should be amazed that I can point to Italy on a map.

Not really. I'm Italian but can point on map a lot of states, even not more important (unless you're saying that Americans don't care about other countries, which I don't think it's true). Italy is a member of the G8, it's not a  little state (though it's decreasing its importance, but this is the fault of certain men)
Anyway, I prefer to play DA2 on english than in italian. The really VO that I think it's outstanding on ME voice actors in Claudio Moneta.

[0x30A88]

Listening to dialogue is in my opinion the best way to learn english words and expressions. The translations seems rather bad compared to the english one -- I accidentally downloaded the demo on german.

Italian is an awesome language though -- wish that were an option at school here rather than german, french and - for some - spanish.

[Perles75]

DSerpa wrote...

Ares_mito wrote...

DSerpa wrote...

Because the Italians are a dirty people, obviously.

It's probably because English, German, and French are the working languages of the European Union, of which Italy is a member.

You should know Italy is a founder member and about working languages Italy won a legal proceeding.

I'm American. You should be amazed that I can point to Italy on a map.

Thumbs up for this answer 

(once an American guy whom I was speaking with was genuinely surprised to hear that Italy was in Europe)

[Saibh]

Perles75 wrote...

Thumbs up for this answer 

(once an American guy whom I was speaking with was genuinely surprised to hear that Italy was in Europe)

Wow, idiots in every country, who knew?

[Ares_mito]

DSerpa wrote...

Ares_mito wrote...

DSerpa wrote...

Because the Italians are a dirty people, obviously.

It's probably because English, German, and French are the working languages of the European Union, of which Italy is a member.

You should know Italy is a founder member and about working languages Italy won a legal proceeding.

I'm American. You should be amazed that I can point to Italy on a map.

Ohh I'm so surprised you know geography. Anyway this last was good enough to make me laugh you should know better your allies not only point them on a map.

[Elsariel]

Gisle Aune wrote...

Listening to dialogue is in my opinion the best way to learn english words and expressions. The translations seems rather bad compared to the english one -- I accidentally downloaded the demo on german.

Italian is an awesome language though -- wish that were an option at school here rather than german, french and - for some - spanish.

Where do you live?  I can't imagine any school in the U.S. that doesn't have Spanish as a secondary language option.   Personally, I think Spanish ought to be mandatory.    But I'm biased.

[AlexXIV]

Saibh wrote...

Perles75 wrote...

Thumbs up for this answer 

(once an American guy whom I was speaking with was genuinely surprised to hear that Italy was in Europe)

Wow, idiots in every country, who knew?

In germany we have people who are that stupid that they go into TV shows to show everyone how stupid they are.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 02 mars 2011 - 05:05 .

[Count Viceroy]

Elsariel wrote...
 Personally, I think Spanish ought to be mandatory.    But I'm biased.

Mandatory? I'm not even american and yet even I can understand how bad this would turn out. Imigrants should learn their hosts language, not the other way around.

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 02 mars 2011 - 05:06 .

[RationalDelirium]

Well, I can confirm that the english version of every game is usually better than the italian one, it's an hard truth that I learned since BG2. On the bright side, my understanding of spoken and written english improved a lot and now I almost don't need subs anymore, makes you wish bioware would implement vocal commands in order to give a boost to the spoken part also!
Think positive, we non english speakers are all "studing" a language while having fun, a pleasure that our lovely americans and british will miss!

[Perles75]

Elsariel wrote...

Gisle Aune wrote...

Listening to dialogue is in my opinion the best way to learn english words and expressions. The translations seems rather bad compared to the english one -- I accidentally downloaded the demo on german.

Italian is an awesome language though -- wish that were an option at school here rather than german, french and - for some - spanish.

Where do you live?  I can't imagine any school in the U.S. that doesn't have Spanish as a secondary language option.   Personally, I think Spanish ought to be mandatory.    But I'm biased.

It must be said also that the italophone catchment area is significantly less spread than the francophone or the spanish one (and German is more important at technological level)

[The Lesser Evil]

NVM

Modifié par The Lesser Evil, 02 mars 2011 - 05:11 .

[Elsariel]

Count Viceroy wrote...

Elsariel wrote...
 Personally, I think Spanish ought to be mandatory.    But I'm biased.

Mandatory? I'm not even american and yet even I can understand how bad this would turn out. Imigrants should learn their hosts language, not the other way around.

I said I was biased. 

Seriously, though, I agree with you.  English is the most commonly spoken language in the U.S. and people coming here should have to learn to speak it.   However, things have gotten so melty now in the U.S. with that I think we're beyond enforcing strictly English now.   Spanish is becoming increasingly popular and knowing spanish can come in extremely handy for job opportunities. 

Modifié par Elsariel, 02 mars 2011 - 05:12 .

[Perles75]

Count Viceroy wrote...

Elsariel wrote...
 Personally, I think Spanish ought to be mandatory.    But I'm biased.

Mandatory? I'm not even american and yet even I can understand how bad this would turn out. Imigrants should learn their hosts language, not the other way around.

Why not in both directions? it is always useful to learn the language of a significant minority
But we are digressing...

[Ares_mito]

Count Viceroy wrote...

Elsariel wrote...
 Personally, I think Spanish ought to be mandatory.    But I'm biased.

Mandatory? I'm not even american and yet even I can understand how bad this would turn out. Imigrants should learn their hosts language, not the other way around.

Maybe the two things. I like learning new languages but imigrants have the duty to do this in my opinion. I always remember that culture is a richness.

[RationalDelirium]

AlexXIV wrote...

Saibh wrote...

Perles75 wrote...

Thumbs up for this answer 

(once an American guy whom I was speaking with was genuinely surprised to hear that Italy was in Europe)

Wow, idiots in every country, who knew?

In germany we have people who are that stupid that they go into TV shows to show everyone how stupid they are.

Don't worry, those are everywhere!

[Haristo]

I speak French.

I hate french Translations. they suck hard.

French translations are rated in the market as the bestd ones (Matt Groening said it, Trey Parker said it, a lot of film producers said it).

I don't want to imagine an Italian translation. If this is as low as the french one, you better patch your game real fast or Like me, if you're console player, rebuy (Mass Effect 2 on Xbox) the game in English.

[Ares_mito]

Let's speak about DA2 this isn't the right place.
However thank you all to have given your contribuite against ignorance.

[Mikka-chan]

Count Viceroy wrote...
Mandatory? I'm not even american and yet even I can understand how bad this would turn out. Imigrants should learn their hosts language, not the other way around.

The United States of America doesn't have an official language, though, despite some bitter people grumbling.  It's part of our countries charm: supposed to be open for everyone, no matter what you speak or where you come from.  While of course the majority of people in America do speak English and it's very good to learn it if one intends on staying here, each state has the right to decide if they want an official language and what language that should be.  New Mexico, for instance, has both English and Spanish as an official language, and most states don't have one.  Many states also have laws that they print up any official or legal documents in the various languages of the First People/Native tribes in the area, too.

And personally, I sort of agree.  Many, many, many places around the world teach two languages: USA is one of the few that doesn't, which is a bit sad.  Learning Chinese as a second language would probably be more useful then Spanish, but learning any other language would be of much help.

Unfortunately, the programs to teach English as a second language to new kids are so horrible and incomplete that I'm sure they'd do the same with any other language, too.  It's something we really need to work on.


...I think it's sad about the Italian version.  Is there no option for English voices but Itallian subtitles/dialog?  Considering how expensive voice actors are, I can understand not having them, but it would be nice if there were at least subs for you.

[The Elder King]

Haristo wrote...

I speak French.

I hate french Translations. they suck hard.

French translations are rated in the market as the bestd ones (Matt Groening said it, Trey Parker said it, a lot of film producers said it).

I don't want to imagine an Italian translation. If this is as low as the french one, you better patch your game real fast or Like me, if you're console player, rebuy (Mass Effect 2 on Xbox) the game in English.

ME and ME2 weren't bad in my opinion, they were ok. And I prefer Shepard's italian VO in ME (Claudio Moneta) than Mark Meer (not that I don't like him, but Moneta is great.). Problem in ME2 was that Moneta had an incident during the translations, and he was substituted in rush. Shepard's italian VO in ME isn't that good (though probably this is because he had to work quicky, fem Shep female VO is a lot bettere), but I thin Moneta will return in ME3, so I'm happy with this

[RationalDelirium]

I'm pretty sure you can have italian subs, it's just the voiceover that's lacking!

[The Elder King]

simfamSP wrote...

hmmm... well you do seem to speak English (or type) quite well, maybe this is a fun opportunity to learn more? I'm not being a ****** even though it may sound like one

But yeah, my post can ****** people of... Hopefully there are Italian subtitles m8.

There are, though I'm thinking to cut them. They showed a lot of errors in DAO (when we met Alistair at Ostagar he said, in the subtitle, that Ferelden is th country with more Wardens, for example), and there was some bad translation in DA2 demo. I'm very good in listening English, so I think I'll cut them in the end.

[The Lesser Evil]

simfamSP wrote...

hmmm... well you do seem to speak English (or type) quite well, maybe this is a fun opportunity to learn more? I'm not being a ****** even though it may sound like one

But yeah, my post can ****** people of... Hopefully there are Italian subtitles m8.

Nothing ******-ish about your post, really. And I agree.

The entertainment industry is perfect for teaching people (especially younger children) new languages, it's how I learnd to speak English. The fact that many countries (Germany, France, Spain and Italy are a few examples) dub pretty much everything from television shows to films is one of the major reasons why many people from those countries speak relatively poor English. Heck, I've met MANY Germans who don't speak any English AT ALL, something I just can't wrap my mind around having grown up on English language cartoon shows here in Holland.

So yeah, to the OP: this is the perfect opportunity to sharpen those English skills! 

[Tinxa]

hhh89 wrote...

DSerpa wrote...

Ares_mito wrote...

DSerpa wrote...

Because the Italians are a dirty people, obviously.

It's probably because English, German, and French are the working languages of the European Union, of which Italy is a member.

You should know Italy is a founder member and about working languages Italy won a legal proceeding.

I'm American. You should be amazed that I can point to Italy on a map.

Not really. I'm Italian but can point on map a lot of states, even not more important (unless you're saying that Americans don't care about other countries, which I don't think it's true). Italy is a member of the G8, it's not a  little state (though it's decreasing its importance, but this is the fault of certain men)

Let's put this to the test shall we name every country that Italy borders on!

Personally I don't know how anyone can stand localised versions or watch dubbed movies. Sometimes I come across movies on italian or german channels and it's horrible watching Harrison Ford speak german and sounding nothing like the actor sounds like. I prefer subtitles.
They're not going to make localised versions in my language any time soon nor would I want them too. Hearing 1 bad voiceactor voicing all the characters would be too much for me.