Revan111 wrote...
You know what I'm sick of fighting with you, you seem like a nice and intelligent person who stands by his beliefs can we just agree that the ending was just bull**** and not the right way to end mass effect 3. What do you say truce?
BTW I do agree with you on the sythisis ending that basicly turning the whole universe into the one thing they didn't want to turn into. And also what is your opinion on the refuse ending because I don't think you have mentioned it yet?
Yes, i agree, there is no need for Mass Effect lovers like us to fight, thank you for your compliments. İn fact i am open to other ideas, and i believe there may be much to realize for me in ME universe.
Regarding the ending, my only complain about it might be it did not felt like really ended. İt was more like we have so much to do afterwards. ( in destroy ending at least )
But it is an open door for possible future story continuation i believe, so i am kind a ok with that.
Ending atmosphere of ME 3 is just heavy and dramatic. And i am ok with that too, beacuse it was like that right from the beginning of ME 3.
İn a way it was always hinted to us that when Reapers arrive it would be a desperate war with them. Hope of survival was always hinted to be slim to none. Sovereigh told you that in ME 1, Harbinger at the end of ME 2 ( Human, you changed nothing...)
So it was no surprise for me how heavy the atmosphere was in ME 3 really. İt was meant to be like that right from the beginning.
Remember how hard it was to stop only one capital reaper ship in ME 1...
İ quess a lot of people couldn't handle the dramatic and hopeless atmosphere of ME 3 properly, i can't blame them, but it was meant to be that way, it shouldn't be a surprise to anyone.
Other than that it would be nice to see more fight on London with our war assets.
Where was Major Kirrahe?, Aralakh company, and many more we acquired the support of along the way.
Fleet battle was satisfying for me. But as you know,no matter how epic it was for me, as a whole ( talking about last hours of ME3 , right from London ) it could be done so much better. But it had to be at least double the scope of London to the Citadel path in order to achieve this.
İ wish i saw all my war assets was doing something in game and via cutscenes.
Other than that it was a masterpiece in my eyes, everything in it. But as i said Mass Effect as a whole was so epic to an extent that it would probably take maybe even more than 5 months to end it like we all kind a wish they did.
Cinematography, drama, music, diologs ( all this in EC ) concept was just crafted brilliantly as i see it.
Unlike people tend to believe, the ending to ME 3 was really bold, has nothing to do with simple choices really, has nothing to do with cliche's in my eyes.
All i can say about this is, maybe it could have been better, but i was so into it and was so shocked with the ending it made me cry.
And i believe it is just not fair to call it a bad ending, it was just not easy for many to handle, that's it.
İt was devastating, overwhelming but truly heart touching also. İf you come to think of it, Mass Effect was always about making hard choices and trying to deal with the emotional burden that comes with them... Right from the first game... You felt depressed and guilty when you had to sacrifice Ash or Kaidan... Mass Effect had it's dramatic approach right from the beginning.
İf you see it that way, even if you can't accept a sappy ending you can understand why it was like that.
But, if you ask me...
İ GİVE MİRANDA MY PROMİSE DAMMİT! İ give her a promise for the very first time! Just take me out of that pile of rubble and unite me with her, with Garrus, with wrex, with Normandy!
DAMMİT!
Even so, i saw my Shep being alive, my crew not believing me being dead, my Miranda waiting for me gazing at the stars...
İ was given hope...
High ems Destroy ending is the only ending with some kind of real happiness and hope in it.
And like you said i am kind of a person who stands by his beliefs, my belief regarding Mass Effect was "holding the line, keeping the hope till the end" and i got that hope in the end. Shed some tears, felt kind a sappy at the ending.
İ am really emotionally attached to Mass Effect as a whole.
And the hope of Shepard finding his LI, uniting with his crew on Normandy was given to me in the end.
İt just brought tears in my eyes. İ love Mass Effect, i just can't judge it relating to how they did not show our war assets doing some real things in game via real time and or via cutscenes.
Yes, it lacks those things, i admit it, but it just can't change my passion for the last hours of ME 3.
And also the way the ending was structured was pure epic, if you can see the whole picture and find the connections.
İt just lacks definition but in my eyes it is not a negative thing. İ prefer to find and realize those little things rather then been given via many explanations.
İ really tried so hard to grasp it as a whole after the ending, i played it several times looking for clues. And it grew on me in time.
İ am still in awe by the ending of ME 3 ( EC )
İ recalled what İM and Saren said before, EDİ, Legion, Garrus did and said before, what others said before throughout the whole series and i started to grasp the whole idea of the ending. İt had really complex structure, people believe that it was idiotically simple but they were wrong.
İt is so deep that it seems dull and hollow at first sight.
Just realizing at the end, how Reaper on Rannoch told us " finish your war, we will be there in the end..." send shivers to my body.
And you start to realize who the heck was that starchild, and what was he trying to do... This is just one example, i ve been writing them down lately...
When all those pieces come together, the ending to ME3 becomes a masterpiece...
İf you pay enough attention to dialogs and other things in the series, you can see that there were so many connections to the endgame.
İ just admire and give my respect to the writers of ME trilogy.
But i can relate to you really. İt overwhelmed me too and i really couldn't shake that feeling off for about a week. İ felt so depressed after the ending.
But in my eyes it was pure beauty. Regarding your thoughts on the ending being not the right way to conclude ME Trilogy's story, i believe it wasn't the end for that story at all.
So in a way i have hopes for the story to continue in the future somehow, this makes me shake some depression off my soul i might add.
My belief is that Shepard - at some point- will be remembered via high ems destroy ending, with variables regarding our choices or even might become the main protagonist once more and continue his journey.
This thought just makes me feel kind a settled with the ending.
But if Bioware is not to mention anything about his legacy or make another game with him in the future, then i will surely say it was not a proper way to end this epic trilogy.
İt just deserves so much more closure and a little continuation to it if this trilogy is to really end.
As you see, my guess and my hope is that, that wasn't really an ending to Shepards story. İ believe we will be either remembering him via his doings or maybe even continue his story. This may happen as it was like in Halo, after some spinoff or a prequel maybe. But i believe Bioware will return to Shepard once more eventually, this way or that way.
For refusal ending, i wrote something about it on another thread. İ may simply say it is a thing nor a paragon neither renegade Shepard would do. İt's just out of character for Shepard. By choosing it ( remember Shepard has no clue in the end how Liara's data could be of any help for the next cycle ) all you do is just letting all organic and synthetic ( nearly all, i know ) life in the Galaxy to go extinct, if you would choose this, why had all the trouble right from the beginning seriously, lol.
You should really let the reapers do their thing then, why bother if you would let them continue the cycle at the end, out of some utter nonsense sense of free will. İt is a pure blinded motive,morality to choose that path. İt is a useless attempt for trying to be a so called idealist.
İt is complete passivism and nothing more. You just let all Asari, Krogan, Turian, Human and the other races to go extinct, that's pure nonsense.
Hell, even the symbol of passivism Gandhi would't choose that lol.
İt is not even being about idealistic at all. İt's pure passivism, Shepard is a man of action. No matter what, it makes no sense to choose that path in order to prove some point of false sense of free will.
You are just letting Reapers to continue what they were doing for endless cycless to come by choosing refusal.
And refusal will never be canon for the fact that that it means all those created races for Mass Effect universe can never ever be included in any other "sequel" Mass Effect game.
These are my thoughts on refusal ending.
İt may seem like rebelling against starchild ( Harbinger in fact ) but has no meaning at all. Reapers continue their harvest as they planned, so what's the point, why even bother to play the series really?
Does it really matter if Liara grew a backbone unlike you and make some preparations, putting all the data together for the other cycle in order to give them a chance of DESTROYİNG the reapers.
Guess what, you could have done it and save this cycle already lol, but instead you did the most dumbest thing ( im not saying this to you you know that right? ) and let them continue their harvest...
READ THİS CAREFULLY
So if you really thought you did a good thing by choosing refusal, why the heck the other cycle DESTROYED the reapers dammit!
Lol...Because unlike the ones who tends to think choosing refusal, synth or even control was the right thing to do, the next cycle got smarten up and did the only thing that could be done, took the real path to the only way to break the cycle for real.
They friggin destroyed them.
Man, even the end of refusal points you to destroy ending...
Why the heck next cycle never chose to control the reapers or chose synthesize and essentially became reapers in the end.
They just destroyed them.
Even the next cycle knew that was their only real salvation, solution to this matter, yet people defend control or synth...
You see the references given to you here and there that points you the only option you had right from the beginning?
İf one can't grasp it after all these evidences given to them or been made clear to them afterwards, there is just no way one can realize it onwards i fear.
These are my thoughts on that matter.
İ am wholeheartedly open to other ideas to convince me otherwise. But i just can't see it happening really.
İ made myself pretty clear and grounded my thougts, i believe.
Remember, all those thoughts are related to the continuation of the story after the ending. They are for any possible sequals to come, if they ever come at all.
My belief is what i put forward about the ending of ME 3 is the only logical and coherent way to be able to progress the story afterwards, if this is to be Bioware's intention in the future.
ME's story leads and links to "destroy" ending in numerous ways. Conrol, Synth and Refusal endings were rejected by it in numerous ways, just try to flashback to those moments when they were repeatedly rejected by storytelling via Shepard and other characters. İf there was ever a support for Synth or Control, story would give you the option to side with Saren and İM, instead you never had the option to do so, you rejected them everytime regardless of being a paragon or renegade. So it is important to understand the story as a whole, it is important to understand you had never FULL CONTROL on the narrative, it always had a driven story to a degree, you shaped the rest but not the Reaper WAR plot.
Mass Effect was not a full simulation at all. Your real freedom was shaping your character through some choices, how you treat to people, tons of minor and major matters.
Reaper War being the grand scheme of things, you only really had the option of destroying them, every other option were just there to trick you, instead of being any kind of a solution.
Thinking backwards through the series, i believe anyone can see that crystal clear.
To make predictions about control or synth endings and about their future continuations just makes one miss all those clues, hints, tips given to you in your journey. İt prevents you from fully grasping the true nature of Mass Effect story and leaves you with wild fantasies instead.
Those what i mentioned here had their grounds from the game itself instead of being my minds wild imaginations. No fantasies or wishfull thinking. They are just a combination of facts included in the story itself.
Take care my friend.
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