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[Phoenixblight]

Glaucon wrote...

Morroian wrote...

Glaucon wrote...

There is no rational reason to think that the DLC could not have been placed into the vanilla game.  

Course there are, the devs have gone into detail about why and no its not just about the separate dlc budget. 

Like I said: a decision nothing else.  DLC has increasingly been used simply to extract the maximum amount of money from the player.  It has in effect become a design decision.  Why make a 60 hour game when you can make a 40 hour one and sell the remaining 20 hours in $5 chunks.

Believe what you want but DLC system is going nowhere. Bioware has gone over this many time over time with DAO, ME2 and DA2. You can choose to not believe them whatever it doesn't matter, DAy1 DLC does very well  again I bring up Warden Keep selling 1 million times within the first month. 

[wrdnshprd]

Phoenixblight wrote...

AnotherAD wrote...

Eurypterid wrote...

As noted, Shale came with every new copy of DA:O. I believe you're thinking of the Warden's Keep DLC.

That
aside, the reason they can't include it in the retail game is that the content of the game must be locked down months before release. That's not to say they couldn't give it away with every new game purchase, but they decided to reward those who pre-ordered.
I'd suggest waiting to see what the DLC reviews are like and if it
seems worth it, pick it up. If not, you'll save yourself some bucks.
Either way, you still get a complete game without the DLC.

Tell
the users that did "PREORDER" through a Digital Download service like
Steam why couldnt they get the SE like everyone else whose preorder was
automatically upgraded for them if they went else where.  Will I buy the
DLC? Yes, but it would been nice if it was offered to me though the
retailer of my choice for free like everyone else was.

Direct2Drive and EAStore were offering it digitally sorry EA and Steam couldn't work
out a deal but you had other choices to get the SE. You DIDN'T have to put all your eggs in one basket. Always have a back up plan. 

the only 'backup' plan in this case is to pay full price for the DLC at a later date or purchase the game full price a second time from an alternate distributor during the pre-order window (and we would spend $120 for the game why?)...

also, bioware can take care of this if they wanted.  SOE had a similar issue with the batman exobyte pre-order item for DC Universe.  basically, certain retailers werent going to give out the item, when SOE didnt specify that the pre-order item was exclusive (similar to bioware/EA not specifying 'while supplies last').

to take care of this, SOE released a key that you could use to unlock the item.. all that was required was a pre-order receipt.  there, problem solved. 

EA/bioware could do the same for the cancelled signature editions if they wanted.  hopefully they will do so.

Modifié par wrdnshprd, 02 mars 2011 - 11:31 .

[Phoenixblight]

wrdnshprd wrote...

Phoenixblight wrote...

AnotherAD wrote...

Eurypterid wrote...

As noted, Shale came with every new copy of DA:O. I believe you're thinking of the Warden's Keep DLC.

That
aside, the reason they can't include it in the retail game is that the content of the game must be locked down months before release. That's not to say they couldn't give it away with every new game purchase, but they decided to reward those who pre-ordered.
I'd suggest waiting to see what the DLC reviews are like and if it
seems worth it, pick it up. If not, you'll save yourself some bucks.
Either way, you still get a complete game without the DLC.

Tell
the users that did "PREORDER" through a Digital Download service like
Steam why couldnt they get the SE like everyone else whose preorder was
automatically upgraded for them if they went else where.  Will I buy the
DLC? Yes, but it would been nice if it was offered to me though the
retailer of my choice for free like everyone else was.

Direct2Drive and EAStore were offering it digitally sorry EA and Steam couldn't work
out a deal but you had other choices to get the SE. You DIDN'T have to put all your eggs in one basket. Always have a back up plan. 

the only 'backup' plan in this case is to pay full price for the DLC at a later date or purchase the game full price a second time from an alternate distributor during the pre-order window (and we would spend $120 for the game why?)...

also, bioware can take care of this if they wanted.  SOE had a similar issue with the batman exobyte pre-order item for DC Universe.  basically, certain retailers werent going to give out the item, when SOE didnt specify that the pre-order item was exclusive (similar to bioware/EA not specifying 'while supplies last').

to take care of this, SOE released a key that you could use to unlock the item.. all that was required was a pre-order receipt.  there, problem solved. 

EA/bioware could do the same for the cancelled signature editions if they wanted.  hopefully they will do so.

You chose to go for Steam even when there was no mention of Steam getting SE. 

[wrdnshprd]

Phoenixblight wrote...

Glaucon wrote...

Morroian wrote...

Glaucon wrote...

There is no rational reason to think that the DLC could not have been placed into the vanilla game.  

Course there are, the devs have gone into detail about why and no its not just about the separate dlc budget. 

Like I said: a decision nothing else.  DLC has increasingly been used simply to extract the maximum amount of money from the player.  It has in effect become a design decision.  Why make a 60 hour game when you can make a 40 hour one and sell the remaining 20 hours in $5 chunks.

Believe what you want but DLC system is going nowhere. Bioware has gone over this many time over time with DAO, ME2 and DA2. You can choose to not believe them whatever it doesn't matter, DAy1 DLC does very well  again I bring up Warden Keep selling 1 million times within the first month. 

DLC when handled correctly is a good thing.  i have no problem with pre-order bonuses and new only exlusives.  to me, that's just good business sense.. however, they better be able to step up to the plate and fix things if they go wrong (such as with the SE cancelations).  if EA/Bioware has the capability to fix it (and regarding the digital items, they absolutely do), they should do it.  it shouldnt matter who was at fault.  if i pre-ordered the game for the SE content.. i expect the SE content i paid for.  end of issue.

as for other DLC, ill get it as long as its good.  and for the most part, the dlc ive purchased was worth the money.

[wrdnshprd]

Phoenixblight wrote...

wrdnshprd wrote...

Phoenixblight wrote...

AnotherAD wrote...

Eurypterid wrote...

As noted, Shale came with every new copy of DA:O. I believe you're thinking of the Warden's Keep DLC.

That
aside, the reason they can't include it in the retail game is that the content of the game must be locked down months before release. That's not to say they couldn't give it away with every new game purchase, but they decided to reward those who pre-ordered.
I'd suggest waiting to see what the DLC reviews are like and if it
seems worth it, pick it up. If not, you'll save yourself some bucks.
Either way, you still get a complete game without the DLC.

Tell
the users that did "PREORDER" through a Digital Download service like
Steam why couldnt they get the SE like everyone else whose preorder was
automatically upgraded for them if they went else where.  Will I buy the
DLC? Yes, but it would been nice if it was offered to me though the
retailer of my choice for free like everyone else was.

Direct2Drive and EAStore were offering it digitally sorry EA and Steam couldn't work
out a deal but you had other choices to get the SE. You DIDN'T have to put all your eggs in one basket. Always have a back up plan. 

the only 'backup' plan in this case is to pay full price for the DLC at a later date or purchase the game full price a second time from an alternate distributor during the pre-order window (and we would spend $120 for the game why?)...

also, bioware can take care of this if they wanted.  SOE had a similar issue with the batman exobyte pre-order item for DC Universe.  basically, certain retailers werent going to give out the item, when SOE didnt specify that the pre-order item was exclusive (similar to bioware/EA not specifying 'while supplies last').

to take care of this, SOE released a key that you could use to unlock the item.. all that was required was a pre-order receipt.  there, problem solved. 

EA/bioware could do the same for the cancelled signature editions if they wanted.  hopefully they will do so.

You chose to go for Steam even when there was no mention of Steam getting SE. 

and where did EA/bioware claim that the SE was exclusive to certain retailers?  if they did i never saw it.  and what about the places in EU where im sure they did advertise the SE, but are still going to back out.  those people are SOL? 

[Phoenixblight]

Glaucon wrote...



It's not about believing BioWare, and I don't recall attacking them in any way other than stating that they are the developer.  If I were to choose to attack anyone in this scenario it would be EA.  If you take the time to read through some of my posts on this board  you will quickly see that I am not that sort of chap.  Those one million sales speak for themselves.  Just because a thing is commercially successful it doesn't make it right/worthy or some other moralising descriptor.  But hey, that's modern economics -- right?  We just have to swallow whatever the system rams down our throats -- right?

If you don't like it don't buy it but you saying you will wait for the GOTY Edition you aren't protesting at all you are still accepting that DLC is here to stay. You would be better at protesting by not buying the game. 

wrdnshprd wrote...


and where did EA/bioware claim that the SE was exclusive to certain retailers?  if they did i never saw it.  and what about the places in EU where im sure they did advertise the SE, but are still going to back out.  those people are SOL?  

Actually it was shown with banners and signs at the stores. D2D and other digital Distributors had it as an advert "preorder now and get the signature edition." Steam did not have this. I gave Steam 2 weeks and went to another retailer. I will not assume a retailer will do what other retailers have done. 

Modifié par Phoenixblight, 02 mars 2011 - 11:49 .

[Emzamination]

O shove out the extra licoln and washingtons and be silent.

Seven measley dollars is not worth launching a tirade over.

Stop embarassing yourselves and have some dignity.

[Si-Shen]

I don't recall where the thread is now but some time ago there was a thread on Launch DLC when this Prince Whats-his-face was first announced and a Bioware Dev explained how Launch DLC happens. In short its stuff that, initially is cut from the finished game but as things finish up they can't get it into the main game again so they take the time and get it ready for launch. You have to understand, this stuff either gets finished off or cancelled, so atleast its not cancelled content.

[Freakaz0idx]

Emzamination wrote...

O shove out the extra licoln and washingtons and be silent.

Seven measley dollars is not worth launching a tirade over.

Stop embarassing yourselves and have some dignity.

Seven dollars isn't the issue. The issue is holding in game content hostage.

[Phoenixblight]

Glaucon wrote...

Phoenixblight wrote...



But you are still buying one way or another thats the point of Ultimate edition.  You aren't really protesting anything whether you buy it now or a year from now the result is the same. 

The result certainly is not the same.  If I brought all of the potential DLC as it is released I would imagine (based on DA:O/ DA A and its DLC) that my spend would be significantly higher than paying £19.99 a year later.

Thats not the point you are saying you are protesting against the DLC when you aren't you are still paying Bioware. 

[John Epler]

Be civil. Disagreeing with someone is not an excuse for a lack of respect.

[wrdnshprd]

Phoenixblight wrote...

Glaucon wrote...



It's not about believing BioWare, and I don't recall attacking them in any way other than stating that they are the developer.  If I were to choose to attack anyone in this scenario it would be EA.  If you take the time to read through some of my posts on this board  you will quickly see that I am not that sort of chap.  Those one million sales speak for themselves.  Just because a thing is commercially successful it doesn't make it right/worthy or some other moralising descriptor.  But hey, that's modern economics -- right?  We just have to swallow whatever the system rams down our throats -- right?

If you don't like it don't buy it but you saying you will wait for the GOTY Edition you aren't protesting at all you are still accepting that DLC is here to stay. You would be better at protesting by not buying the game. 

wrdnshprd wrote...


and where did EA/bioware claim that the SE was exclusive to certain retailers?  if they did i never saw it.  and what about the places in EU where im sure they did advertise the SE, but are still going to back out.  those people are SOL?  

Actually it was shown with banners and signs at the stores. D2D and other digital Distributors had it as an advert "preorder now and get the signature edition." Steam did not have this. I gave Steam 2 weeks and went to another retailer. I will not assume a retailer will do what other retailers have done. 

i guess i can see your point regarding steam, but that still doesnt explain the other retailers.. if they are going to back out and not give me all the content i paid for because of 'supply issues'.. you're darn right i expect EA/bioware to step in.. especially when pretty much everything can be claimed with a simple keycode.

[PinkShoes]

i only paying £38.99 and get it free :3

[Reptillius]

Glaucon wrote...

Reptillius wrote...

Actually if you want to get this way then your side has no rationality either. This stuff was first announced in October when it could have just been a fresh idea that got tossed up and survived the brain storming battle front to make it up onto the drawing board.  Dev's like Chris aren't saying but even if they did you all wouldn't listen to them because I know they've tried before in other threads and you didn't there either.

Sorry but I don't see any reason in that post, and certainly none that explains the situation.  Could have, may, might are all speculative.

Reptillius wrote...
NOw if you want to talk about time and what's realistically possible. Sit down. Take a deep Breath. Go find yourself some books on coding and realize that everything they were going to put in the game was probably already decided and being worked on to be polished and finished for the disc back when this was first announced in October and would thus have 5 months That another team could work on the DLC while those still having work to do could be working on polishing and finishing up all the fine details on the Disc content and realize that no. This stuff couldn't necessarily have made it into the Disc version of the game and wouldn't necessarily exist if it was DLC.

Thanks for being patronising.  I've been a progammer for 11 years. 

Reptillius wrote...
There's no rational reason to think it could have just been put on the disc on the same account and by the same principles that you say there is no rational reason to think it couldn't have been. Basesless opinion made purely on your own judgements and indignation over the whole situation.

I can accept the general indignation comment.  I'm not entirely certain what you are basing your opinion on?

It's quite simple. I can be a sarcastic jerk sometimes and I chose at that moment, after giving information that refutes the claims I wrote that post about quite clearly and rationally, that I would choose to sink down to their level for a moment and deal with them the way they want to deal with them.

Then after I did that I chose to reiterate a few of those points.  you being a programmer. particularly one for so long makes you a bit of an exception in that you already know those points but I could truely have been a lot worse about the way I phrased it.  I am fully aware, understanding, and accepting that some people need beat over the head to get a point and others don't even get it then until you tell them to do it themselves.  I'm actually saddened by the number of people that really don't seem to grasp most points these days until they do have to do it themselves quite frankly.  This seems to be most particularly bad when it comes to basically the mentality of "I want it now. I want it free, and I want it better than everybody elses without knowing what that actually is." and get mad when they are told no for valid reasons.

I actually have to deal with that mentality at work a lot.  Even worse at work I'm stuck in a real bad position because I'm told by management I have to give certain kinds of responses but when I do and they complain to management management doesn't often back me up because they have to worry about the person complaining at the corporate level and the corporate level where I work just gives in to the customer and rewards them. Even when they are totally and completely in the wrong.

[Emzamination]

Freakaz0idx wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

O shove out the extra licoln and washingtons and be silent.

Seven measley dollars is not worth launching a tirade over.

Stop embarassing yourselves and have some dignity.

Seven dollars isn't the issue. The issue is holding in game content hostage.

A dlc character just like Dlc armor or weps never really has anything to do with the story other then being an extra blade and another person to talk to so forgive me but I'm not seeing how this is important game altering content that shouldn't be withheld.

But If you want to make that argument then I would do so with the force unleashed 2 with which they took the second half of the game and made you pay for it.Now THAT is I call holding game content hostage.

Say what you like but this thread is a masked veil for Standard edition people to complain about paying seven dollars while the Se gets it free.

[Suron]

y'know. I'm fine with DLC. I'm even fine with DLC relatively soon after launch.

AFTER LAUNCH

you have a damn trailer advertising this crap before the GDAMN game is even OUT.

tacky as all hell..and you wonder why so many get on you about bowing to your new EA masters.

[Phoenixblight]

wrdnshprd wrote...


i guess i can see your point regarding steam, but that still doesnt explain the other retailers.. if they are going to back out and not give me all the content i paid for because of 'supply issues'.. you're darn right i expect EA/bioware to step in.. especially when pretty much everything can be claimed with a simple keycode.

I can't defend the retailers not understanding the SE and then not being able to fulfill their orders or Bioware/EA not helping out those that lost their preorder. Maybe the consumer should demand that the retailer gives them 7$giftcard or buy the points neccessary to at least get the Exiled Prince. 

Modifié par Phoenixblight, 03 mars 2011 - 12:01 .

[Fangirl17]

Im a little miffed about this myself.He seems like an important character,he's a prince after all, but Im not complaining I got the signiture addition so Im good. I guess he doesnt have a great impact on the story though if they made him DLC.Im really curious to see how his story plays out because of this.