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[Noviere]

LyonVanguard wrote...

 Ok... wait... what?
Why couldn't they add this content to the retail game?
You expect me to pay $7.00 right after I payed $60.00 for a DIGITAL copy of a game?

You can wait as long as you'd like before buying it. Or not buy it.

[Stanley Woo]

Suron wrote...

y'know. I'm fine with DLC. I'm even fine with DLC relatively soon after launch.

AFTER LAUNCH

you have a damn trailer advertising this crap before the GDAMN game is even OUT.

tacky as all hell..and you wonder why so many get on you about bowing to your new EA masters.

I don't mean to sound like a douchecanoe here, Suron, but we are not obliged to ask your permission or run our schedule or decisions through you, so I'm sorry if you disagree with what we do. Those decisions are still ours to make, however, so please temper your disagreement with a measure of courtesy and respect. i'd appreciate it. Thank you for your feedback.

It is possible, even on the internet, to disagree with or dislike a thing without that thing being THE WORST THING EVAR THAT KICKED MY PUPPY!

[Magatame]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Suron wrote...

y'know. I'm fine with DLC. I'm even fine with DLC relatively soon after launch.

AFTER LAUNCH

you have a damn trailer advertising this crap before the GDAMN game is even OUT.

tacky as all hell..and you wonder why so many get on you about bowing to your new EA masters.

I don't mean to sound like a douchecanoe here, Suron, but we are not obliged to ask your permission or run our schedule or decisions through you, so I'm sorry if you disagree with what we do. Those decisions are still ours to make, however, so please temper your disagreement with a measure of courtesy and respect. i'd appreciate it. Thank you for your feedback.

It is possible, even on the internet, to disagree with or dislike a thing without that thing being THE WORST THING EVAR THAT KICKED MY PUPPY!

Thats what I like to see. Someone at Bioware standing up against an idiot... Usually it just gets ignored but it makes my day when I see a Bioware responce to fools like him.

[Stanley Woo]

Magatame, you must not have read all of my post. Allow me to repeat myself:

It is possible, even on the internet, to disagree with or dislike a thing without that thing being THE WORST THING EVAR THAT KICKED MY PUPPY!

So let's please cut out the name-calling and insults. i'd appreciate that. Thank you.

[Batfeets]

In the end,  none of us know why DLC is done on release.

It could be as some say.  The extra content could be there to gain a few extra dollars here and there for Bioware.  For all they sell,  I'd have to say it's a good plan if it's the case.  Even if we complain, we'll probably still buy it so....

Or it could be that the DLC was unfinished at the time it was first offered.   It could be content that was still somewhat in production when the game was almost complete.

To be honest,  I think Sebastian wasn't offered in vanilla because...well...there's always a DLC character.  He's an extra, there for fun, and it doesn't hurt anyone if he's not present.  Many people got him for free when the timeline allowed it, also.  He's D1DLC only because it'd be way better have him when you first play the game...rather than playing it again, especially if you're not inclined to do so.  Think of those who'd want him to be DLC right at release,  if he'd been DLC 5 months from now.

All I wish is that people would be nicer to each other here.  Some people were hurt by the actions of their retailers,  while others are angry for reasons that are legitimate to at LEAST themselves.  Now, for actual trolls....do whatever you want to those. 

[Will Moor]

Reptillius wrote...

people with that attitude are why Expansions were concieved of and sold in the first place. To keep you spending money and deciding your game wasn't complete unless you absolutely had it. Even though those who created it know that the game was indeed complete and everything else from DLC to expansions to whatever else were all side projects that they just realized they can make money off of. 

Your Game's not complete because you don't have it? That's not EA's fault. At least they are willing to offer it to you at all.  I got old games on my shelf with the equivilant of Day 1 DLC sitting there that nobody ever got that extra content. I guess by your thinking those suckers never got the complete game. Yay me for getting it. Yay for EA for being smart enough or greedy enough to offer it to those that didn't get the chance because of various things like idiot companies that they don't control taking more pre-orders than they told EA about or Refusing to take part in offers that made them available in the first place for whatever reason.

Realize that while your complaining about EA being Greedy. It wasn't EA that screwed you over here.  If they are really greedy then they either don't offer it to anybody and make everybody buy it or they try to get these kinds of offers out everywhere because it makes them even more money.

While I thank you for your interest in my post, I would like to point out that I never called anyone greedy nor was I complaining that I was "screwed over".  I merely stated my feelings on how "complete" the game is without all of the available official content. Surely you don't begrudge me my opinion on that. 

I used to collect Wizard of Oz music domes, and once I had everything available, I considered my collection complete.  But then they began issuing more pieces, and I stopped considering my collection "complete" because there were more pieces out there that I didn't have.   This is an opinion and not a statement that I had been "screwed over". 

And I sincerely doubt that  EA Games & BioWare will have hurt feelings that I might feel compelled somewhere down the line to buy all of their DLC for the sake of completeness.

Anyway, thanks again for your interest.

Edit:  I would like to borrow the elequent words of Stanley Woo and add that I don't feel like I behaved in any way like the concept of DLC or expansion packs was "THE WORST THING EVAR THAT KICKED MY PUPPY!"  I LIKE expansion packs and DLC (though I much prefer expansion packs to DLC).  I am GLAD the games get more and more official content.    My point was merely that I disagreed personally with the "your game is complete if you don't buy it" point of view, that's all.  

Modifié par Will Moor, 03 mars 2011 - 01:06 .

[Maria Caliban]

Batfeets wrote...

In the end,  none of us know why DLC is done on release.

Sure we do: To make money.

People buy DLC when the game is fresh to them. The longer you take before you release DLC or an expansion pack, the less people will be inclined to buy it.

BioWare has never denied this. Why would they? They want people to buy their games and enjoy them.

[iamrawn]

Magatame wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

Suron wrote...

y'know. I'm fine with DLC. I'm even fine with DLC relatively soon after launch.

AFTER LAUNCH

you have a damn trailer advertising this crap before the GDAMN game is even OUT.

tacky as all hell..and you wonder why so many get on you about bowing to your new EA masters.

I don't mean to sound like a douchecanoe here, Suron, but we are not obliged to ask your permission or run our schedule or decisions through you, so I'm sorry if you disagree with what we do. Those decisions are still ours to make, however, so please temper your disagreement with a measure of courtesy and respect. i'd appreciate it. Thank you for your feedback.

It is possible, even on the internet, to disagree with or dislike a thing without that thing being THE WORST THING EVAR THAT KICKED MY PUPPY!

Thats what I like to see. Someone at Bioware standing up against an idiot... Usually it just gets ignored but it makes my day when I see a Bioware responce to fools like him.

Wow. You got owned for complimenting someone.

[Mymph]

At least they aren't like Capcom who have characters on the disk (MvC3) but are releasing them later and charging you for what you already have on the disk...

[Will Moor]

iamrawn wrote...

Wow. You got owned for complimenting someone.

In my opinion, Stanely Woo was merely remaining consistent and true to his stance on forum etiquette by telling BOTH
parties to remain civil and respectful and not to resort to
name calling.  He doesn't want disrespect on these forums, even from people who compliment him.  I don't think that is unreasonable.  Do you?  

Modifié par Will Moor, 03 mars 2011 - 01:02 .

[Ivolon]

The difference between DAO and DA2:

In DAO everyone who bought the game new got the extra companion.

In DA2 you were requiered to buy the game on blind faith to get the extra companion.

See the difference?

[LordPaul256]

Batfeets wrote...

In the end,  none of us know why DLC is done on release.

Money.

Batfeets wrote...

It could be as some say.  The extra content could be there to gain a few extra dollars here and there for Bioware.  For all they sell,  I'd have to say it's a good plan if it's the case.  Even if we complain, we'll probably still buy it so....

Or it could be that the DLC was unfinished at the time it was first offered.   It could be content that was still somewhat in production when the game was almost complete.

Sebastion was not only set up as DLC more than 3 months before the game went gold, but he was already completed enough to be shown in a trailer. 

Batfeets wrote...

To be honest,  I think Sebastian wasn't offered in vanilla because...well...there's always a DLC character.  He's an extra, there for fun, and it doesn't hurt anyone if he's not present.  Many people got him for free when the timeline allowed it, also.  He's D1DLC only because it'd be way better have him when you first play the game...rather than playing it again, especially if you're not inclined to do so.  Think of those who'd want him to be DLC right at release,  if he'd been DLC 5 months from now.

1 time =/= Always.  <_<

Look.  Defend Day 1 DLC if you want.  Just be honest with yourself.  All I am hearing are excuses ("It wasn't ready in time!", "It's a mystery!", "It's not about money!") and very little in the way of honest assessment.  Why would a company pay to set up a seperate group to work on DLC before release?  The DLC hasn't sold yet, so it's not being funded by that.  It would be horrible business practice to pool the money from the pervious DLCs into hiring people to work on future DLCs, not to mention naive in why companies set these things up in the first place.  It's all about money.

[ErebUs890]

I know this isn't a Bioware problem and an obvious EA marketing thing, I also know that the BioWare signature edition includes it for free. But, seriously, I pre-ordered too, it may not have been "Before 1-11-11" But I shouldn't have to pay for DLC because I didn't pre-order the game an entire month before release. I'm sorry EA, I have stuff to do, I don't have time to follow every tidbit of information on this game, and I certainly don't want to pre-order games a month prior to release without even knowing if i'm going to buy it or not.

[Kloreep]

Of course it's all about money. That's why you have to pay twice to get both Mass Effect 2 and Dragon Age Origins, even though they were being worked on by the same company during some of the same months. You aren't buying all the work Bioware did during a certain time frame, you're just buying a specific package that has been put together for market.

As a fan, I agree it's a bit annoying to have a single fiction fragmented into so many pieces. But really, the only question worth asking IMO is "is this thing they have packaged up and offered for $X worth the price?"

Frankly, if compared to the full games they attach to, I think many of Bioware's DLCs are in pretty big trouble there - even if they are still judged ultimately "worth it," they are, at the least, definitely not as good value for your money. On the other hand, if you compare it to the price of something a bit farther afield, like seeing a movie in the theater, they might look a bit more reasonable. (But what about a movie rental? One can go on and on.) Only you can decide your own answer. But if the answer is no, then really: Just Don't Buy It and move on. If enough people feel similarly, Bioware will probably have to change something - whether moving to a different production or price model, or simply cutting out the whole DLC thing.

[DarkSpider88]

I am okay with DLC production given that game developers are losing profits due to retailers selling secondhand games. I also understand why developers release day 1 dlc, because one day one the most people are logging on to play that game thus a bigger audience to sell to. The longer developers wait to release DLC the more people they lose out on selling to. Most people are not going to be like us on the forum and play the game more than one time, for most gamers it is like "wam bam thank you mam"

[Phoenixblight]

ErebUs890 wrote...

I know this isn't a Bioware problem and an obvious EA marketing thing, I also know that the BioWare signature edition includes it for free. But, seriously, I pre-ordered too, it may not have been "Before 1-11-11" But I shouldn't have to pay for DLC because I didn't pre-order the game an entire month before release. I'm sorry EA, I have stuff to do, I don't have time to follow every tidbit of information on this game, and I certainly don't want to pre-order games a month prior to release without even knowing if i'm going to buy it or not.

You had 4 months to preorder you chose not to. Your loss. 

[Kloreep]

Phoenixblight wrote...

You had 4 months to preorder you chose not to. Your loss.

If you knew. Not everyone follows the BSN or other outlets of Bioware info as often/consistently as we may.

If you did not have lingering questions about just what it was you were buying that went unanswered. That was my own experience with the SE. (I'm a little miffed about the SE myself. But it's not something I'm going to let get in the way of what looks like a great game.)

[Phoenixblight]

Kloreep wrote...

Phoenixblight wrote...

You had 4 months to preorder you chose not to. Your loss.

If you knew. Not everyone follows the BSN or other outlets of Bioware info as often/consistently as we may.

If you did not have lingering questions about just what it was you were buying that went unanswered. That was my own experience with the SE. (I'm a little miffed about the SE myself. But it's not something I'm going to let get in the way of what looks like a great game.)

It was all over the place Gamestop had signs of it, All the game sites had it announced, only way you couldn't have known is you simply didn't go to the net  or to any game stores.  4 months and you saw nothing? It was announced mid october that if you want the Sig edtion you have until 1/11/2011. 

[Kloreep]

Phoenixblight wrote...

It was all over the place Gamestop had signs of it, All the game sites had it announced, only way you couldn't have known is you simply didn't go to the net  or to any game stores.

Not everyone buys from Gamestop. Not everyone follows game sites regularly enough - it was announced at the time, yes, and I believe some of them put a reminder up close to the deadline as well, but if you don't read them every day and don't check back to see what you missed...

I'm not saying Bioware did a bad job of advertising it. They certainly gave it a good marketing effort. I'm just saying there will always be people who honestly had no idea. Until the day every single person who might possibly be interested in pre-ordering a Bioware game decides to sign up for Bioware's/EA's newsletters, it isn't going to be within their power to reach all such people.

Phoenixblight wrote...

4 months and you saw nothing?

I saw it very soon after it was announced, as I'm one of the people who do follow the Announcements forum here. I'm simply stating not everyone is so plugged in.

[MadLaughter]

I disagree with DLC announced the day the game comes out, so I disagree with this even more. The amount of money you'll make isn't worth the dishonor.

[Stanley Woo]

Sorry, folks, but we are not responsible for whether every individual knew or did not know about the Signature Edition offer. It was heavily advertised on our forums, website, and elsewhere. No one individual is so special that they should expect us to ignore our special offer expiry dates for them, whether they knew about the dates or not.

[Kail Ashton]

so you didn't get the free upgrade to signature edition despite a wide availibilty time and instead opted to cry about it now? you are the definition of FAIL

[MadLaughter]

You are not responsible for the knowledge of the signature edition offer, but you are responsible for the poor concept of the offer itself, including the date issues.

[Emzamination]

Phoenixblight wrote...

Kloreep wrote...

Phoenixblight wrote...

You had 4 months to preorder you chose not to. Your loss.

If you knew. Not everyone follows the BSN or other outlets of Bioware info as often/consistently as we may.

If you did not have lingering questions about just what it was you were buying that went unanswered. That was my own experience with the SE. (I'm a little miffed about the SE myself. But it's not something I'm going to let get in the way of what looks like a great game.)

It was all over the place Gamestop had signs of it, All the game sites had it announced, only way you couldn't have known is you simply didn't go to the net  or to any game stores.  4 months and you saw nothing? It was announced mid october that if you want the Sig edtion you have until 1/11/2011. 

No he is correct in most people don't follow gaming sites and forums too closely.

Even though I pre-ordered back in november there was no mention of any sebastian in my local gamestop.

[vengerturtle]

I don't get it, would it somehow be better if they had waited a month, or two months, before announcing it was ready? Is there some magical period between a game's release and when it's okay for a company to start releasing extra stuff for it? If you don't have the $7 at launch, or don't want to pay the extra money so soon, then don't. You don't need Sebastian to finish the game. Nobody makes you have to buy DLC. If you don't like that they made Day 1 DLC, then simply don't buy it. If enough people don't buy it, then they can't make a profit off it, they'll stop making it. But that probably won't happen, because a lot of people like having extra stuff for their game, and they like having money. Welcome to the real world, everyone. (And this is coming from someone who only bought like 3 of DLC for DA:O cause I don't want to buy the rest of it).