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[Gaus5000]

You know, you cant really blame companies to try to maximise profit, thats just how things roll.

Now what I dont like about this day one policy is that it is kinda too obvious what the company is going for here.

In general when I see a DLC for a game - that I already like to play - being for free, Im just getting the feeling that this company actually wants to provide the customer some little extra entertainment, because thats just what game-development teams are there for: they provide you entertainment, you pay them.
Now after some free DLC there can be some bigger and more awesome DLC pack for a few bucks; and I'll gladly pay that s***.

Yeah, I know, its a little more complicated than that, having all your information that people STILL are going to pay at day one, which justifies all kinds of stuff. And thats cool with me, I propably would do just the same.

Long story short: I am so damn psyched for DA2, but dude, this day one policy really makes you feel robbed : ((

Modifié par Gaus5000, 03 mars 2011 - 01:49 .

[ErebUs890]

Well, you wouldn't want to pay for a new car at full price, but have to pay extra for the transmission, or buying a new computer, but the motherboard cost extra. Silly exaggerations aside, as a consumer, this is what it feels like. It feels as though I'm paying full price for an incomplete product.

But, this is my personal annoyance. I don't care if people don't care. But as a consumer, it's my right, and in a way, my duty to be concerned.

[Kloreep]

ErebUs890 wrote...

It feels as though I'm paying full price for an incomplete product.

I suppose that is the crux of why so many people get angry over Day 1 DLC. Thing is, Day 1 DLC is not nearly as clear-cut a case of an incomplete product. A car is indeed pretty useless without a transmission, ditto a computer without a motherboard. Those analogies sound like they should be matched to the announcement that Hawke him/herself is a DLC - not to the marketing of an optional party member to go along with a pre-existing cast that already will more than fill your three party slots.

Edit: If I may flirt with the dangerous analogy game, I'd say a closer comparison is a computer that got sold to you without a video card. Yes, if you want to play 3D games on your computer/have Sebastian in your DA2 game you're going to end up paying extra. But it's still a functioning machine/game without that. And if the add-on was really the only reason you were buying it in the first place, why were you so quick to purchase something that didn't actually suit your wants?

Modifié par Kloreep, 03 mars 2011 - 02:01 .

[Emzamination]

missnicolec wrote...

I don't get it, would it somehow be better if they had waited a month, or two months, before announcing it was ready? Is there some magical period between a game's release and when it's okay for a company to start releasing extra stuff for it? If you don't have the $7 at launch, or don't want to pay the extra money so soon, then don't. You don't need Sebastian to finish the game. Nobody makes you have to buy DLC. If you don't like that they made Day 1 DLC, then simply don't buy it. If enough people don't buy it, then they can't make a profit off it, they'll stop making it. But that probably won't happen, because a lot of people like having extra stuff for their game, and they like having money. Welcome to the real world, everyone. (And this is coming from someone who only bought like 3 of DLC for DA:O cause I don't want to buy the rest of it).

Lol you've said what I've been thinking for awhile.

What does it matter what day/hour/minute/second the dlc is released since your still going to have to pay for it anyway.

I'm actually surprised people are complaining about it being too early.

You would think one would want to get all the little available extras they can as early as they can.

I'm hoping they release expansions within the next month or so tho with the main story ending I'm not sure how thats going to work.

[Gvaz]

Phoenixblight wrote...

LyonVanguard wrote...

 Ok... wait... what?
Why couldn't they add this content to the retail game?
You expect me to pay $7.00 right after I payed $60.00 for a DIGITAL copy of a game?

Should have got the SE. Don't like it don't buy no skin off of anyone's nose. 

I'm going to get all the DLC and play it at release.

[Takeva_]

Seriously? Complaining about a DLC on release date?

It's better then waiting months for it while everyone who ordered the SE is enjoying it.
Like I seriously don't get whats there to complain about. If you don't have the money now at least you know it's there for you to buy when you do get the $7.

Modifié par Takeva_, 03 mars 2011 - 02:07 .

[VanDraegon]

Nicely put Stan.

[KezzieZ]

Sorry, but that's just kind of the way it works.

The fact that there is DLC on the release date isn't new, though. In fact, it was advertised that if you pre-ordered before some time in January this year, you'd get upgraded to the signature edition which included the Exiled Prince DLC.

[Gaus5000]

Yeah, but some people just might not be so much into pre-ordering. People usually dont "pre-order" things they dont have enough information about.
You wouldnt (or shouldnt) buy a car just by its looks. You have to drive it and check it first, else you easily can get robbed.
The pre-order offer expired some time in January (11th or so, sorry for the lack of info), but the demo came out February 22nd, if Im correct.
Now here in Germany, I didnt notice DA2 advertisement so much and if I did, it usually would be some fancy trailer, but no gameplay.
So, even if I had been aware of the expire date of that offer, I still wouldnt have pre-ordered it, just because of the lack of gameplay footage/lack of a demo.

[Noviere]

They should have made Sebastian exclusive to the SE for 1 month. Then no one could complain about Day 1 DLC, and everyone would be happy! Right?

Modifié par Noviere, 03 mars 2011 - 02:43 .

[Kloreep]

Noviere wrote...

They should have made Sebastian exclusive to the SE for 1 month. Then no one could complain about Day 1 DLC, and everyone would be happy! Right?

It would be rather amusing if they go ahead and see how that works for the next game.

[Emzamination]

Gaus5000 wrote...

Yeah, but some people just might not be so much into pre-ordering. People usually dont "pre-order" things they dont have enough information about.
You wouldnt (or shouldnt) buy a car just by its looks. You have to drive it and check it first, else you easily can get robbed.
The pre-order offer expired some time in January (11th or so, sorry for the lack of info), but the demo came out February 22nd, if Im correct.
Now here in Germany, I didnt notice DA2 advertisement so much and if I did, it usually would be some fancy trailer, but no gameplay.
So, even if I had been aware of the expire date of that offer, I still wouldnt have pre-ordered it, just because of the lack of gameplay footage/lack of a demo.

The only reason to place faith in a bioware pre-order is if your playing for  the story of one of its predecessors.Bioware isn't a combat gaming focused company.

They have become Titans among the gaming Industrie with their choice system and stories.GI refers to the writers as Scribes 

Mmmm their choice system...I believe my love of gaming will die if bioware dies seriously.

[Gvaz]

Takeva_ wrote...

Seriously? Complaining about a DLC on release date?

It's better then waiting months for it while everyone who ordered the SE is enjoying it.
Like I seriously don't get whats there to complain about. If you don't have the money now at least you know it's there for you to buy when you do get the $7.

That's not the point of contention. It should be in the game, for free, as a complete package.

It's like ordering a pie and then not having any crust and being told crust is extra. Sure you can enjoy the pudding but it's not what you ordered.

Modifié par GvazElite, 03 mars 2011 - 03:15 .

[Gvaz]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Sorry, folks, but we are not responsible for whether every individual knew or did not know about the Signature Edition offer. It was heavily advertised on our forums, website, and elsewhere. No one individual is so special that they should expect us to ignore our special offer expiry dates for them, whether they knew about the dates or not.

It wouldn't be so bad if you know, the Signature edition was still available for order. You didn't have this problem with the Deluxe edition of DA:O.

[Tamcia]

 None are forcing you to buy DLC, you can experience the original game fully, all the DLC are just extra cherries on top of the cake - works in a bakery the same way - want more then the standard? Well it's gonna cost you extra, that name on the cake written with cream isn't free. Day 1, day 73 - does it matter? They had a team work on the DLC and they completed the project by release, so just wait several months?

   Yes, I pre-ordered - it cost me NOTHING and even now it cost me NOTHING - I can cancel in 2 mins if I wanted. It's the same with most games, when you can pre-order in advance and if you don't like it, you can cancel it. Everyone could have gotten it. You go to a supermarket and they have weekly deals, whos fault is it that you missed out on them? You gonna go complain that you won't get 2 for the price of 1 after the deal was up for months?
  
   I never bought CoD map pack DLC and I didn't go complaining on the forums about them, because I could experience the game without them anyway and to me it seemed as a waste of money. They were out there and I go around raging about them being with a price tag or that they are even out there - I just wonder why people hate more content?
  
   Possibly BW marketing approach to DLC. If it was included into the game, people would not even notice it ad being "extra" they would take it for granted. In this case it might look as if BW took extra steps to deliver more content - some has a price tag some does not. Might be from good will or to get money from the customer. Thing is its not like an MMO sub, where if you don't pay you can't play.

Modifié par Tamcia, 03 mars 2011 - 03:25 .

[Blessed Silence]

LyonVanguard wrote...

 Ok... wait... what?
Why couldn't they add this content to the retail game?
You expect me to pay $7.00 right after I payed $60.00 for a DIGITAL copy of a game?

Everyone sing with me!

This is the topic that never ends ...
Yes it goes on and on my friend ...
Some people, keep bringing it up no matter what we say ....
And they'll continue posting it forever and a day ...

(repeat!)

[Gvaz]

Tamcia wrote...
 works in a bakery the same way - want more then the standard? 

No, in most cases DLC is stuff they were working on, but either didn't have time to put in the game, or took out of the game in order to use for marketing (the case with DA2). In the former, this is okay, as long as you don't try to nickel and dime your players. In the latter, this is unacceptable and rather frustrating to the player as a whole because you miss out on content.

[SansSariph]

I'm a pretty hardcore gamer and I didn't know about the SE offer.
Why? Because money was really tight last semester so I wasn't following gaming news, aside from the updates Steam gives me now and then.

I still had every intention to preorder DA2 because I was a huge fan of the first (preordered the special edition of that game!). Turns out due to unknown circumstances Steam didn't get the same offer as *every* *other* *retailer*, so, yeah, I never found out.

You can claim that's not Bioware's "fault" and it's really all my problem, and technically, you're right. It's still really sheisty to put a time bomb on an offer that expires 2 months before the game comes out and one month before any sort of playable demo.

Up until the demo came out I wasn't sure whether to go for 360 or PC due to the revamped combat system.

I'll probably be shelling out my $7 just because I really enjoyed Shale so I'm hoping Sebastian adds just as much value. I don't mind release day DLC (as others have mentioned, it's a question of a feature that could have been cut if they hadn't been allowed to charge for it separately). I do mind that, as a huge fan of Bioware games and a huge supporter that I feel like I got screwed on this promotion.

Even if I had known, I'd have been very hesitant to bypass Steam. Is that a personal problem? Yeah, of course. However, I suspect EA's more to blame than Valve is, seeing as how they (Valve) are more than willing to offer preorder promotions most of the time.

[Bryy_Miller]

MadLaughter wrote...

You are not responsible for the knowledge of the signature edition offer, but you are responsible for the poor concept of the offer itself, including the date issues.

"You are not responsible for X, but you're totally responsible for X!"

[Kloreep]

GvazElite wrote...

It's like ordering a pie and then not having any crust and being told crust is extra. Sure you can enjoy the pudding but it's not what you ordered.

But isn't it what you ordered? You got what you expected, crust and the pudding both. It's just that as they serve it to you, they suggest you get some whipped cream on top too - but that will cost a bit extra. (Ah, analogies... I probably should not hit Submit, but then, I am a stupid person.)

GvazElite wrote...

It
wouldn't be so bad if you know, the Signature edition was still
available for order.

But for whatever reason, it's not.

And Bioware surely had some reason. Wanting to get as many pre-orders in early as they could, I would imagine. Perhaps even some honest "We couldn't possibly give this away to everyone, so order now!" You and I didn't help them out by pre-ordering early, so why should they do us the favor of giving us SEs?

Modifié par Kloreep, 03 mars 2011 - 03:47 .

[LPPrince]

Stanley Woo wrote...

I don't mean to sound like a douchecanoe here, Suron, but we are not obliged to ask your permission or run our schedule or decisions through you, so I'm sorry if you disagree with what we do.

Stanley Woo wrote...

I don't mean to sound like a douchecanoe here

Stanley Woo wrote...

I don't mean to sound like a douchecanoe here

Stanley Woo wrote...

I don't mean to sound like a douchecanoe here

Stanley Woo wrote...

DOUCHECANOE

Oh my God, I've rubbed off on Stan and left a lasting impression.

[Manic Sheep]

GvazElite wrote...

Takeva_ wrote...

Seriously? Complaining about a DLC on release date?

It's better then waiting months for it while everyone who ordered the SE is enjoying it.
Like I seriously don't get whats there to complain about. If you don't have the money now at least you know it's there for you to buy when you do get the $7.

That's not the point of contention. It should be in the game, for free, as a complete package.

It's like ordering a pie and then not having any crust and being told crust is extra. Sure you can enjoy the pudding but it's not what you ordered.

No its not because you were never told there would be the DLC in the game, It’s an extra. Just because this exist does not mean you are not getting what you paid for when you buy the game because it was never advertised as being a part of the normal game and you know full well it is not there when you buy. Not having it dose not make the game incomplete.
A pie without a crust would not be a pie. If you bought DA2 and dialogue was extra then it would be like your example. DA2 without this DLC is still  DA2 and is still a game.The DLC is not a huge important part to the game.
It is exactly the same as any other DLC.  ME2 is still a complete game without Kasumi or overlord. The only difference is they have released it early than what a lot of fans consider reasonable because for some reason if its completed before the game hits the shelves it should be packaged with the rest of the game for no extra cost even if it was always planned as an extra. When is it all of a sudden okay to have DLC? 1 month after the game is out? 2?

Modifié par Manic Sheep, 03 mars 2011 - 04:42 .