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[Maria Caliban]

Noviere wrote...

They should have made Sebastian exclusive to the SE for 1 month. Then no one could complain about Day 1 DLC, and everyone would be happy! Right?

You should totally be in BioWare's marketing department.

[spirosz]

Manic Sheep wrote...

GvazElite wrote...

Takeva_ wrote...

Seriously? Complaining about a DLC on release date?

It's better then waiting months for it while everyone who ordered the SE is enjoying it.
Like I seriously don't get whats there to complain about. If you don't have the money now at least you know it's there for you to buy when you do get the $7.

That's not the point of contention. It should be in the game, for free, as a complete package.

It's like ordering a pie and then not having any crust and being told crust is extra. Sure you can enjoy the pudding but it's not what you ordered.

No its not because you were never told there would be the DLC in the game, It’s an extra. Just because this exist does not mean you are not getting what you paid for when you buy the game because it was never advertised as being a part of the off the shelf game and you know full well it is not there when you buy. Not having it dose not make the game incomplete.
A pie without a crust would not be a pie. If you bought DA2 and dialogue was extra then it would be like your example. DA2 without this DLC is still  DA2 and is still a game.The DLC is not a huge important part to the game.
It is exactly the same as any other DLC.  ME2 is still a complete game without Kasumi or overlord. The only difference is they have released it early than what a lot of fans consider reasonable because for some reason if its completed before the game hits the shelves it should be packaged with the rest of the game for no extra cost even if it was always planned as an extra.

I agree, I'm assuming before making the game - the developers would be focusing on their main priorities for the game, story, hawke, companions, etc.  If the Exiled Prince was planned to be tied in, but had to be cut due to whatever circumstance, I would assume it wasn't one of their main features/aspects of the game and that it wouldn't affect the game as a whole.  In my opinion, you are still getting their full game and what they wanted to release and now that we're in a time where DLC is flourishing, we're still able to get content now which, probably wouldn't be possible 5-10 years ago because of costs or whatever.  Anyway, it's really up to you if you want it or not

Modifié par spiros9110, 03 mars 2011 - 04:44 .

[Balek-Vriege]

Get used to having DLC (whether hours long or a couple of items) on day one because it's a way of combating piracy. Instead of people getting cracked versions of games for free, they might not only pay for a game but might even pay extra for it if they can get special items, a DLC and other stuff.

Edit:  Also like other have mentioned, it's great for marketing and sales by attracting more gamers to collector editions.

Modifié par Balek-Vriege, 03 mars 2011 - 04:46 .

[Gvaz]

Manic Sheep wrote...

No its not because you were never told

You were never told? You were never told? This ****'s been advertised for ****ing ages, don't even.

This has the most absurd amount of dlc before release ever, everyone knows about it in advance.

Modifié par GvazElite, 03 mars 2011 - 05:05 .

[Manic Sheep]

GvazElite wrote...

Manic Sheep wrote...

No its not because you were never told

You were never told? You were never told? This ****'s been advertised for ****ing ages, don't even.

This has the most absurd amount of dlc before release ever, everyone knows about it in advance.

Way to take stuff out of context. You were told it would be in the signature edition, they did not say it would be in the normal off the shelf version. There was no false advertising which is the point I was getting at. You are getting what you ordered.
And I think there is actually an absurd amount of micro DLC already but that’s a different very very minor issue more to do with the marketing and nothing that warrants ****ing.

Modifié par Manic Sheep, 03 mars 2011 - 06:06 .

[RigVertigo]

Dear god.

[Sylvius the Mad]

ErebUs890 wrote...

It feels as though I'm paying full price for an incomplete product.

It's a shame that's what it feels like, because it's not true.

BioWare decides the scope of the product they are selling you.  That's an important part of voluntary exchange.  Unless both parties agree, no transactions take place.  And BioWare has agreed only to sell you the game lacking the DLC content.

[LilyasAvalon]

My speculation of Sebastian is the same as Shale. Shale was ORIGINALLY meant to be in the Origins campaign, but was taken out and reduced to DLC because there simply wasn't enough room for her.

DLC's are not mandatory, they're optional. You have the opition to not buy them... so don't if you don't like them.

[astrallite]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

ErebUs890 wrote...

It feels as though I'm paying full price for an incomplete product.

It's a shame that's what it feels like, because it's not true.

BioWare decides the scope of the product they are selling you.  That's an important part of voluntary exchange.  Unless both parties agree, no transactions take place.  And BioWare has agreed only to sell you the game lacking the DLC content.

That is true. Basically it's your choice to buy it. A car dealership can sell you cars but with the radio taken out. Nobody is forcing you to buy from that dealership, and if you do, well you are a sucker, but it was your choice.

Modifié par astrallite, 03 mars 2011 - 08:07 .

[Havokk7]

LilyasAvalon wrote...

My speculation of Sebastian is the same as Shale. Shale was ORIGINALLY meant to be in the Origins campaign, but was taken out and reduced to DLC because there simply wasn't enough room for her.

You should read these forums more (which of course would be aided by a decent search engine, hint hint Bioware).
That is not why Shale was "day zero DLC".

[myztixiz]

In the downtime after the game is done and they are just bugfixing and polishing the game often big parts of a gamedevolopment team has nothing left to do. This means that they can spend their time working on DLC or move on to another project. So do you feel entiteled to the work that is done after the main game is finnished?

[sassperella]

Seriously chill guys. Seb is free if you pre-ordered the SE. He was obviously made as a marketing thing for the SE which is all free, most game collector's editions cost more, but Bioware/EA gave you this and the soundtrack free if you ordered in time. If you didn't order the SE then normally you wouldn't get him, but Bioware/EA are letting those who missed out buy the dlc on day one.

I didn't read these forums or the site in time to order the SE, I missed out by a day, but I'm not ranting about entitlement and how unfair it is, I'm just glad I can get the dlc at all. You don't have to buy it, the game works fine without it.

Game companies aren't charities, they need to make money to be able to make more games. If you don't like the idea of dlc then just don't buy it.

[Samamanjaro]

Bioware are disgusting, do not support them.

[Maj.Pain007]

PhrosniteAgainROFL wrote...

This again? Gamers are so whiny!!!

Actually this whole fanbase is whiny. there is always a pretty big % that whine about something.

[ColdbringeR]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

ErebUs890 wrote...

It feels as though I'm paying full price for an incomplete product.

It's a shame that's what it feels like, because it's not true.

BioWare decides the scope of the product they are selling you.  That's an important part of voluntary exchange.  Unless both parties agree, no transactions take place.  And BioWare has agreed only to sell you the game lacking the DLC content.

He said it feels like he's paying for an incomplete product. Why are you arguing with how someone feels? The idiocy in this thread knows no bounds I see. I happen to agree with him/her and I feel the same way.

Modifié par ColdbringeR, 03 mars 2011 - 10:46 .

[ColdbringeR]

sassperella wrote...

Seriously chill guys. Seb is free if you pre-ordered the SE. He was obviously made as a marketing thing for the SE which is all free, most game collector's editions cost more, but Bioware/EA gave you this and the soundtrack free if you ordered in time. If you didn't order the SE then normally you wouldn't get him, but Bioware/EA are letting those who missed out buy the dlc on day one.

I didn't read these forums or the site in time to order the SE, I missed out by a day, but I'm not ranting about entitlement and how unfair it is, I'm just glad I can get the dlc at all. You don't have to buy it, the game works fine without it.

Game companies aren't charities, they need to make money to be able to make more games. If you don't like the idea of dlc then just don't buy it.

You chill. Nobody is making you read this thread. If people want to voice their complaints against a marketing technique that they find distateful, then they should be allowed to do so.

[ColdbringeR]

astrallite wrote...

That is true. Basically it's your choice to buy it. A car dealership can sell you cars but with the radio taken out. Nobody is forcing you to buy from that dealership, and if you do, well you are a sucker, but it was your choice.

And where should the line be drawn? When they offer to sell you a "car" that is actually a wheel and a set of keys? The fact that people have a choice in the matter is fine, but people also have fingers to type and complain about offers they find disagreeable. That's what this thread is about. Get over it.

Modifié par ColdbringeR, 03 mars 2011 - 10:54 .

[Noviere]

GvazElite wrote...

It's like ordering a pie and then not having any crust and being told crust is extra. Sure you can enjoy the pudding but it's not what you ordered.

No it isn't. If you were brought a slice of pie with no crust, it would no longer be pie, and therefore not what ordered. DA2 without Sebastian is exactly what you ordered. Think of him as the scoop of ice cream on your pie that you had to pay extra for.

Now I'm hungry.

[ColdbringeR]

Glaucon wrote...

Maj.Pain007 wrote...

PhrosniteAgainROFL wrote...

This again? Gamers are so whiny!!!

Actually this whole fanbase is whiny. there is always a pretty big % that whine about something.

Oh I don't know about that.  It may be more accurate to say: "People are whiny.".  It's certainly a better sweeping generalisation.

What's worse? Whining or whining about whining?

[Sakanade]

Samamanjaro wrote...

Bioware are disgusting, do not support them.

[sassperella]

ColdbringeR wrote...

astrallite wrote...

That is true. Basically it's your choice to buy it. A car dealership can sell you cars but with the radio taken out. Nobody is forcing you to buy from that dealership, and if you do, well you are a sucker, but it was your choice.

And where should the line be drawn? When they offer to sell you a "car" that is actually a wheel and a set of keys? The fact that people have a choice in the matter is fine, but people also have fingers to type and complain about offers they find disagreeable. That's what this thread is about. get over it.

you are not getting half a game. The dlc was made for the "collector's edition" equivalent which they give you for free if you pre-order at the right time. How many collector's editions cost the same as the normal game? huh? they usually cost 10-20 bucks more. If you failed to order in time bad luck. But you get the opportunity to get it at extra cost. I don't understand all the hate. Bioware gave you something for free, it's just your tough luck you didn't order it in time.  It's you guys that are greedy not Bioware or EA. You get 40 hours of game play about 4 times the amount of a lot of the normal games, you get dlc, and soundtrack for free if you pre-order early enough and yet you still want more. Don't blame Bioware for your inability to order their game in time. 

[ColdbringeR]

Noviere wrote...

GvazElite wrote...

It's like ordering a pie and then not having any crust and being told crust is extra. Sure you can enjoy the pudding but it's not what you ordered.

No it isn't. If you were brought a slice of pie with no crust, it would no longer be pie, and therefore not what ordered. DA2 without Sebastian is exactly what you ordered. Think of him as the scoop of ice cream on your pie that you had to pay extra for.

Now I'm hungry.

This is a poor analogy as well. Since "pie" by definition does not include ice cream, the ice cream is inherently extra. Dragon Age 2, on the other hand, cannot be defined so easily as pie. Something that is "extra" could simply be game content that was omitted in order to be advertised as "extra". Because we, the consumers, have no way to differentiate regular game content from extra game content, perhaps DLCs available at release are not a considerate technique for selling "extra" content to consumers.

[ColdbringeR]

sassperella wrote...

ColdbringeR wrote...

astrallite wrote...

That is true. Basically it's your choice to buy it. A car dealership can sell you cars but with the radio taken out. Nobody is forcing you to buy from that dealership, and if you do, well you are a sucker, but it was your choice.

And where should the line be drawn? When they offer to sell you a "car" that is actually a wheel and a set of keys? The fact that people have a choice in the matter is fine, but people also have fingers to type and complain about offers they find disagreeable. That's what this thread is about. get over it.

you are not getting half a game. The dlc was made for the "collector's edition" equivalent which they give you for free if you pre-order at the right time. How many collector's editions cost the same as the normal game? huh? they usually cost 10-20 bucks more. If you failed to order in time bad luck. But you get the opportunity to get it at extra cost. I don't understand all the hate. Bioware gave you something for free, it's just your tough luck you didn't order it in time.  It's you guys that are greedy not Bioware or EA. You get 40 hours of game play about 4 times the amount of a lot of the normal games, you get dlc, and soundtrack for free if you pre-order early enough and yet you still want more. Don't blame Bioware for your inability to order their game in time. 

They didn't give anything away for free. You think EA/Bioware stood to gain nothing from their "Signature Edition" marketing technique? It was offered to encourage consumers to preorder DA2, and the lack of later availability for this offer encouraged said consumers not to cancel their preorders. These things are the same as money in EA/Bioware's pockets.