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[JulianoV]

It has been asked time and time again, but the lack of answers from developers is truly disconcerting. I'd like to know how the game will recognize the discrepancies that come from a ressurected warden.

It's not about having reasons to badmouth development or anything, I just want to know if I should replay Awakening or not. I want my choices in the DLC to make an impact, even if it's a game further down the line. Not responding, having a full build of the game going to retail does nothing but postpone what would be a resigned, yet justified second playthrough all the DLC.

I believe I'm not alone on this one and I sincerely wish someone would clatify this situation. Thank you very much for your attention.

Modifié par JulianoV, 03 mars 2011 - 01:24 .

[Harutes]

I read somewhere (my apologies, can't remember where) that the DAO save would take precidence over the other saves, so (I'm just guessing here, from what I understood) if you import that character, all of your origins decisions will carry through, but it will assume that the Orlesian Warden did everything after that.

Hopefully someone more qualified can answer for you though, but that's what I came across, if that helps any.

[DavidSims]

If you import an ultimate sacrifice warden into Awakening and then into DA2, all of your choices will be recognized, or at least recorded for future recognition. To avoid the contradiction, we are deliberately vague about who the "Warden Commander" was whenever referencing choices made in Awakening. That is true regardless of what you import.

[shadowkills]

i just wish i didn't keep loghain alive i hated alistair but after i did that i missed him. because of that i probably wont import my chatacter...

[Count Viceroy]

Sounds good.

[Nadia]

I don't know if it has already been answered but do we import 1 savegame- from Origins?
So if I'd import ultimate sacrifice and I played Awakening as a Orlesian Warden my choices from Awakening won't transfer?
Edit: I guess nevermind, it probably is a stupid question, because I'll have to import a savegame from Awakening whether I played DAO warden or Orlesian;))) sorry

Modifié par Nadia, 02 mars 2011 - 09:34 .

[JulianoV]

@DavidSims: And this is why I respect and adore Bioware so much.

Thank you =D

[Razored1313]

HOORAY

[Raltar]

Why the **** did it take so long to finally get an answer about this? People have been asking about this for months to get clarification.

[Phoenixblight]

Raltar wrote...

Why the **** did it take so long to finally get an answer about this? People have been asking about this for months to get clarification.

The Devs have answered many times maybe yu weren't frequenting the forums enough. 

[ALVIG824]

DavidSims wrote...

If you import an ultimate sacrifice warden into Awakening and then into DA2, all of your choices will be recognized, or at least recorded for future recognition. To avoid the contradiction, we are deliberately vague about who the "Warden Commander" was whenever referencing choices made in Awakening. That is true regardless of what you import.

how vague are we talking about here?

[JulianoV]

I've changed the title to better reflect the reality of the thread and make it easier for all those that would be interested to notice.

[Vicious]

how vague are we talking about here?

lol... does it OFFEND YOU?

[mmu1]

I think the question has been answered:

"We want to be able to say without (technically) lying that the choices you made in DAO mattered, but it would have been way too complicated to implement, so we designed DA2 in such a way that your choices won't really affect the big picture at all."

Come on, people... It didn't really matter which origin you picked in DAO - you think it will matter in DA2 what you did in a whole 'nother game? Best you can hope for is a line or two of dialogue acknowledging what you did... if that. Which isn't really something to hold against the game designers, it's how these things always work. The (technically not) lying people doing PR who try to make you think that you're buying a game that meaningfully ties into the last one... well, that's another story.

Modifié par mmu1, 03 mars 2011 - 03:38 .

[Raltar]

Phoenixblight wrote...

Raltar wrote...

Why the **** did it take so long to finally get an answer about this? People have been asking about this for months to get clarification.

The Devs have answered many times maybe yu weren't frequenting the forums enough. 

The only answer I've seen before this was saying that the US will happen, but they never clarified on how the rest of the import would work if you went ahead and imported into Awakening and how those choices would be handled.  This is the first time they have clarified on what will happen with the rest of the choices by saying that anything dealing with the Warden Commander is vague regardless of if it was your Origins character or not.

[lost lupus]

ALVIG824 wrote...

DavidSims wrote...

If you import an ultimate sacrifice warden into Awakening and then into DA2, all of your choices will be recognized, or at least recorded for future recognition. To avoid the contradiction, we are deliberately vague about who the "Warden Commander" was whenever referencing choices made in Awakening. That is true regardless of what you import.

how vague are we talking about here?

oh that that, that was the Warden Commander
are yes the Warden Commander was the best looking Warden Commander ive ever seen

where was the Warden Commander commander from? south of the marches!

[Icy Magebane]

ALVIG824 wrote...

DavidSims wrote...

If you import an ultimate sacrifice warden into Awakening and then into DA2, all of your choices will be recognized, or at least recorded for future recognition. To avoid the contradiction, we are deliberately vague about who the "Warden Commander" was whenever referencing choices made in Awakening. That is true regardless of what you import.

how vague are we talking about here?

Eh... this was exactly my response when I read that... I mean, saying the Warden's identity is "vague" pretty much allows for any kind of re-writing they want.  The commander's identity was NOT vague at any point, and according to this response, he could have been a she, she could have been an elf, and the elf could have been dalish or from the city, and used a bow instead of magic.  No.

[Cohesion]

I suppose any reference made regarding the decisions you made in Origins, pre-US, would be referred to as having been made by the 'Hero of Ferelden', whereas any Awakenings decisions would be attributed to the 'Warden-Commander', 'Commander of the Grey' or somesuch. If, for example, Anders were to make reference about 'his commander', he wouldn't need to go into too much detail, but would still be able to keep the continuity

Modifié par Cohesion, 03 mars 2011 - 01:50 .

[tehprincessJ]

Um... so are we now hearing that if I have, say, a dead Warden in 'Origins', and an Orlesian Warden that went 'Awakening' > 'Golems' > 'Witch Hunt' , that this wasn't the right way to do this? DA2 won't accept 2 different saves, so I have to replay all the DLC with my dead Warden?

If so, that's pretty lame.

[JulianoV]

@tehprincessJ:Apparently so. For some reason as soon as I got Awakening I was happily playing an Orlesian Warden knowing my Grey Warden had sacrficed himself and reinforced the world's notion on the bravery and goodness of the Order. Then I was messing around the folder and went "well wait, this thing creates a whole other save game file". This thing can get messy when importing to DA2."

I arrived late to the party and had already played ME2 when I got to Awakening. I then restarted the thing(Granted I didn't really get too far) with my zombie warden in a moment of rare insight from my part.

Which is not to say the fact people that did the Ultimate Sacrifice and kept the internal coherence should get the short end. Quite the contrary. I truly feel sorry if that's the case and hope that if too many people are affected by it and actually voice their complaints may see some fix in a future patch.

Other than that, Phoenixblight, wish I had gotten a devs response so elucidative on the matter earlier. I tried searching all over the forums and it wasn't fruitful. If you could lnk it so I could facepalm, please do =D

[atheelogos]

DavidSims wrote...

If you import an ultimate sacrifice warden into Awakening and then into DA2, all of your choices will be recognized, or at least recorded for future recognition. To avoid the contradiction, we are deliberately vague about who the "Warden Commander" was whenever referencing choices made in Awakening. That is true regardless of what you import.

So me and Anders can't sit down and have a talk about Hawke's cousin?

[Maclimes]

DavidSims wrote...

If you import an ultimate sacrifice warden into Awakening and then into DA2, all of your choices will be recognized, or at least recorded for future recognition. To avoid the contradiction, we are deliberately vague about who the "Warden Commander" was whenever referencing choices made in Awakening. That is true regardless of what you import.

Thanks for the answer!

[Buffy-Summers]

mmu1 wrote...

I think the question has been answered:

"We want to be able to say without (technically) lying that the choices you made in DAO mattered, but it would have been way too complicated to implement, so we designed DA2 in such a way that your choices won't really affect the big picture at all."

Come on, people... It didn't really matter which origin you picked in DAO - you think it will matter in DA2 what you did in a whole 'nother game? Best you can hope for is a line or two of dialogue acknowledging what you did... if that. Which isn't really something to hold against the game designers, it's how these things always work. The (technically not) lying people doing PR who try to make you think that you're buying a game that meaningfully ties into the last one... well, that's another story.

A ton of things from ME1 changed ME2

And it was bioware that brought up the import thing

If it wont have much change at all then why bring it up?  Marketing?

[TubularGlucose]

Ah, So to answer your question; at the beginning of the game after you play through the whole "I am so Epic Hawke Epic Hawke" you get thrown to the character creation screen and on that screen there is a tab called "Events of Dragon Age Origins" Now this can only be assumed where you load your character, now with that tab comes three already pre-made Backgrounds for people who haven't played the first game or don't want to replay it, so under those three options there is the "Load Save" one and when you click that you can boot up your character. Now I'll use mine as an example of what will be included for changes (Now I warn you, this is from the early Demo so things are bound to be changed and made more important and other things included but this is still the gist)

"Alister is king, Conner was kill, Templars were recruited to the army, Harrowmont is the king of Orzimmar, Dalish Elves were recruited to the army, Loghain became a grey warden, Amaranthine was saved from the Darkspawn horde, Warden's keep was recovered, Shale Was Discovered, King Cailin's body was burned, The Warden let morrigan travel through the eluvian, Anvil of the Void was recovered, Loghain died during the Archdemon Fight"

Okay now that was all word for word by the way, and as you can see it's a bit buggy with the whole "Alister King/Loghain is a grey warden thing" I also never let conner die as well, so a few things that the reading of our files needed to fix but this was a very early build so it has bound to have a few more things that make an impact AND will register your saves correctly.
Hope this helps.

Modifié par TubularGlucose, 03 mars 2011 - 10:22 .

[Crunchyinmilk]

mmu1 wrote...

I think the question has been answered:

"We want to be able to say without (technically) lying that the choices you made in DAO mattered, but it would have been way too complicated to implement, so we designed DA2 in such a way that your choices won't really affect the big picture at all."

I didn't read it that way at all.  I read it more that events matter in your import, more than what race or class you played or who you kissed behind the bleachers at school.
 
Would you rather they handwave your failure to embrace the ultimate sacrifice choice you made in Origins. You could have stuck with the story and re-rolled a new warden instead of embracing convenience.

I'm sure Alistair and Anders have no reason to wax lyrical with Hawke about the personal details of the Warden. Will you really feel the need to pester them and find out if they remember what colour your Warden's eyes are (and squee when they get it right).