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[Quole]

Siansonea II wrote...

Oh look, it's this thread again.

If you have nothing to add, then leave the thread.

[LtlMac]

Siansonea II wrote...

Oh look, it's this thread again.

 

After this long between ME2 and ME3 what do you expect?  There are only so many topics about Mass Effect that can exist before all are exsausted.    More to the point....we haven't all been here every day over the last year....this topic is actually new for some of us.....

[DinoCrisisFan]

There's only 2 threads on page 1 about Quarians/Tali right now...

[DinoCrisisFan]

DocGriffin wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Oh look, it's this thread again.

Cause threads never repeat, that would be heresy

Punishable by death by firing squad.

[DinoCrisisFan]

I'm just going to leave this here:

[DocGriffin]

DinoCrisisFan wrote...

I'm just going to leave this here:

lolwut? 

Modifié par DocGriffin, 03 mars 2011 - 12:46 .

[DinoCrisisFan]

DocGriffin wrote...

DinoCrisisFan wrote...

I'm just going to leave this here:

lolwut? 

Your username fits the video.

[DocGriffin]

DinoCrisisFan wrote...

DocGriffin wrote...

DinoCrisisFan wrote...

I'm just going to leave this here:

lolwut? 

Your username fits the video.

Yes I suppose it does..

[LtlMac]

DinoCrisisFan wrote...

There's only 2 threads on page 1 about Quarians/Tali right now...

 
I've responded in one of the two.  Ipso-facto, this must then be the legit thread.   So says my logic.

[DinoCrisisFan]

We got off-topic, I'm sorry OP. We're supposed to be discussing why the Quarians don't vaccinate themselves.

[LtlMac]

DinoCrisisFan wrote...

We got off-topic, I'm sorry OP. We're supposed to be discussing why the Quarians don't vaccinate themselves.

Maybe because their immunie systems can't even handle a vaccination without falling sick to the 'cure'?  Or perhaps, if their systems operate as we as humans understand them, even if the appropriate white blood cells could be 'taught' to kill the virus or bacteria....\\the Quarians don't produce enought T-cells and the like to defeat the virus.  Maybe the virus just reproduces faster than it can be killed.

Modifié par LtlMac, 03 mars 2011 - 01:26 .

[The Fan]

DinoCrisisFan wrote...

I swear one of these days someone is going to make a petition to have the Migrant Fleet/Flotilla entirely destroyed and all of the Quarians & Tali killed just to spite us Talimancers.

Who? You mean Greybox_Inception? I wouldn't be shocking if he made such a petition. I wonder why everyone is so die hard about who romances who. Its kind of stupid to me. 

[Scimal]

chrono21791 wrote...

It doesn't matter how weak your immune system is. That's how vaccinations work. You insert a dead or disabled virus into the system, allowing your immune system to learn how to deal with and counteract the disease without actually risking catching it. I can see how bacterial infections would be more of a problem, but most of the problem would be viruses.

Actually, every vaccine has a chance of giving the person the infection the vaccine was meant to prevent. It depends upon the person reaction to the vaccine, since immune systems are highly mutable.

Of course, this is how human immune systems work, though. Quarian immune systems evolved symbiotic relationships with infections, not antagonistic ones.

Anyway, the entire thing doesn't make sense. They have only been off of their homeworld for 300 years;
thats, what, six or seven generations, at most?

Between 10 and 20 generations, assuming they follow similar mating patterns as humans.

You DON'T develop allergens to EVERYTHING in that amount of time.

They're allergic to L-conform amino acid based infections. They contract D-conform amino acid based infections.

99.99999999% of life on Earth is constructed from the L-formation of the amino acids, even if we have to convert them.

Furthermore, if their immune systems are weakened because they are always on their ships, they should be able to not wear a suit on a ship.

They were weak prior to their exodus. Being on the ships prevented their adaptation and interaction with biological systems, so their immune responses became homogenized - which is the opposite of a healthy population.

You're telling me they just weakened further of their own accord? Or did they just say "Alright, we got booted off of our homeworld, time to wear suits forever."? It doesn't make much sense.

Their weakened immune systems prior to the Geth meant that it took years to adjust to a new planet anyways. They stayed on the ships because the Council denied them planetary Rights and in the hopes that they could one-day retake their homeworld.

After a few decades on the ships looking for hospitable planets, it was easier to just stay on the ships.

The suits were a reaction to life aboard the ships.

Also, when that quarian got shot, he WOULDN'T have gotten an infection (when you are picking up tali). First, the bullet that went into him was extremely hot; sterilized.

The air wasn't sterile, neither was the outside of Kreegar's suit.

Secondly, that world was barren and nigh lifeless; any infection he could have gotten from anywhere else (such as his suit) would have been radiated off of him by that time.

It wasn't lifeless, and plenty of bacteria can survive extreme environments.

And lastly, the medigel and antibiotics that were immediately introduced to his wound would ensure that nothing got in.

Except whatever the bullet pushed in and brought with it in its wake.

It just doesn't make any sense. It seems like they had a good idea in ME1, but as soon as we can actually go on the flotilla, they realized that hadn't made faces for the quarians so just took the easy way out and said "They have to wear suits all the time, no matter what".

The same could easily happen to humans in 300 years.

If your immune system doesn't fight anything, it won't stay strong. If you're forced to enter a foreign environment with a compromised immune system, a suit is the easiest way to do so with minimal risk of infection. If you do get sick, it means that an infection has passed the suit's barriers. When you return to the Flotilla, there's a chance you have that infection floating around your personal environment - an infection that could prove fatal to others.

Thus, it's easier to allow everyone to wear their suits, since each one - thanks to the Pilgrimage - is essentially its own mix of infectious agents.

[DinoCrisisFan]

The Fan wrote...

DinoCrisisFan wrote...

I swear one of these days someone is going to make a petition to have the Migrant Fleet/Flotilla entirely destroyed and all of the Quarians & Tali killed just to spite us Talimancers.

Who? You mean Greybox_Inception? I wouldn't be shocking if he made such a petition. I wonder why everyone is so die hard about who romances who. Its kind of stupid to me. 

What else is there to talk about? Other than the ME3 trailer

[xxSgt_Reed_24xx]

b/c then we couldn't make the poopsack jokes!

that's the real reason bioware gave them suits!

[JKoopman]

LtlMac wrote...

Quole wrote...

chrono21791 wrote...

DinoCrisisFan wrote...

They would have to get vaccinations for every disease they could possibly come into contact with and then times that by 17 million. I don't think they can do that sort of thing cheaply.

Yes, I understand that bit. They couldn't be acclimized to every environment. But they could at least vaccinate themselves to be able to function on, oh, I don't know, THEIR OWN STERILIZED GODDAMN SHIPS. Or the Citadel. Or ONE WORLD. Or something.

I mean, seriously. There are people who have lived their entire lives aboard space stations, like the citadel. Hell, one of Shepard's histories is living aboard ships most of his life. But none of them have to wear enviro-suits. I mean, they could have easily just said "Quarian atmoshperes are poisonous to everyone but Quarians, and vice-verca." But the whole "gotta wear suits, all the time" makes very little sense. In the codex entries and tali's dialogue in ME1, it was basically implied that they could go suitless on their own ships. But they can't in ME2.  what the hell happened while shepard was gone?

Its interesting because according to Ascension, Quarians can live without suits on the flotilla. They just choose to wear them for privacy. This however  is contradicted in ME2.

  Not really.....it was never stated that they didn't wear suits on other ships.  As for why they had suits on the government ship Sheperd visited....well, they had to by the very nature that sheperd, and his bacteria laden self, was coming on board!  At to the fact that the Government ship was probably the primary vessel for all aliens to dock, and it makes perfect sense!   That said...it 'MAY' not explaine why the Quarians on the research ship visited during Tali's loyalty quest had suits.  One explanation might be that they were reciving 'contamintated' get parts from all over the galaxy though.....

Any outside contaminants that Shepard and co. bring along on their envirosuits would be erradicated in decontamination (the thing that you went through every time you left or boarded the Normandy in ME1 that BioWare saw fit to turn into a loading screen in ME2). I'd assume that all vessels have decontamination procedures, as emphasized by Tali requesting a security and decontamination team when approaching the Flotilla.

There's no rational explanation for why quarians would be wearing envirosuits aboard their own ships. The irrational explanation is that they simply feel safer in them so they choose not to take them off except when absolutely necessary.

Modifié par JKoopman, 03 mars 2011 - 05:27 .

[Ramirez Wolfen]

Siansonea II wrote...

Oh look, it's this thread again.

No offense, but comments like that are pointless.

[NuclearBuddha]

JKoopman wrote...
Any outside contaminants that Shepard and co. bring along on their envirosuits would be erradicated in decontamination (the thing that you went through every time you left or boarded the Normandy in ME1 that BioWare saw fit to turn into a loading screen in ME2). I'd assume that all vessels have decontamination procedures, as emphasized by Tali requesting a security and decontamination team when approaching the Flotilla.

There's no rational explanation for why quarians would be wearing envirosuits aboard their own ships. The irrational explanation is that they simply feel safer in them so they choose not to take them off except when absolutely necessary.

Quarians make each other sick:  each is their own microcosm of bacteria, etc.  Shala'Raan mentions she got sick by sharing atmosphere with Tali's mother so she could be there at the birth.

Edit:  And Tali mentions that her father never took sick days to show her his face.

Modifié par NuclearBuddha, 03 mars 2011 - 05:35 .

[JKoopman]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

JKoopman wrote...
Any outside contaminants that Shepard and co. bring along on their envirosuits would be erradicated in decontamination (the thing that you went through every time you left or boarded the Normandy in ME1 that BioWare saw fit to turn into a loading screen in ME2). I'd assume that all vessels have decontamination procedures, as emphasized by Tali requesting a security and decontamination team when approaching the Flotilla.

There's no rational explanation for why quarians would be wearing envirosuits aboard their own ships. The irrational explanation is that they simply feel safer in them so they choose not to take them off except when absolutely necessary.

Quarians make each other sick:  each is their own microcosm of bacteria, etc.  Shala'Raan mentions she got sick by sharing atmosphere with Tali's mother so she could be there at the birth.

Edit:  And Tali mentions that her father never took sick days to show her his face.

Which makes no sense whatsoever, hence why it's not a rational explanation.

[NuclearBuddha]

JKoopman wrote...
Which makes no sense whatsoever, hence why it's not a rational explanation.

...You've never caught a cold from someone?

[JKoopman]

Catching a cold from someone isn't the issue. You're basically saying that quarians are forced to wear their envirosuits at all times even aboard sterile quarian vessels because they each have their own microcosm of bacteria and viruses from wearing their envirosuits at all times even aboard their own sterile quarian vessels. The same thing can't be both cause and effect.

[NuclearBuddha]

When traveling to a foreign country, it's often wise to see if there's anything you need to be inoculated against. This is because you're only going to have a resistance against things you commonly encounter, not stuff that's circulating half a world away. Same thing with quarians, except they never encounter anything else, including other quarians.

And yes, it is a vicious cycle. The immune system atrophied in the absence of a natural environment to adapt to so they wear the suits. The suits perpetuate the problem, to the point where now taking off the suits is too dangerous.

[JKoopman]

Except that quarians don't actually catch foreign diseases and thus can't be carriers. They just have allergic reactions to them. And, again, any quarian returning to a Flotilla ship would invariably have to go through decontamination prior to boarding so any contaminants they bring with them would be eradicated. So what practical use then is wearing the envirosuits aboard those vessels?

[Quole]

Privacy was the reason given in Ascension. Although, this isnt the case in ME2...

[Praetor Knight]

And then there is what happened to Tali's mom on the Flotilla.