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#276
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viverravid wrote...

Ixalmaris wrote...

viverravid wrote...

Anyone want to comment on how the scores in the big name publications are generally higher then in the smaller operations? What's going on?

The NowGamer review is probably closest to my feelings (though I haven't finished the game yet, still in Act II). It's a bit hard to reconcile that with the Escapist review, though.


Magazines and "big name" websites live from advertisment.
Review sources who post bad things about games do not get advertisment for it.
The bigger the publisher, the more advertisment he sells.


I was trying to retain some faith in the games press by holding out for another explanation. GameSpot were pretty reasonable, IMO. And one of the main draws to the Escapist (Zero Punctuation) is generally brutally honest.


It would be interesting to check how much DA2 advertisment the sites with good reviews have.

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I worked for a now defunct publishing company for a year and a half when I got out of college. First rule of advertising and sales, don't bite the hand that feeds you. Write favorable reviews and you're guaranteed future advertisements in your publications.

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Worthplaying 6.5/10 (PS3/X360) - Dragon Age II does not have much to recommend. It doesn't technically do anything extremely wrong, but it doesn't do much right, either. (DAO PC 8.6/10 | X360 8/10)

Idealo.co.uk - In comparison to Origins, Dragon Age 2 feels like a real step back.

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I'm not being critical of DA2, but how does anyone take "professional" reviews seriously? Game reviewers aren't any different from anybody else with the exception that a) they have deadlines to meet, so they can't fully explore a game for a truly comprehensive review and B) they get paid by the magazines for their reviews, who in turn get advertising revenue from the game publishers.

Simply put the more official the reviewer, the less trustworthy they are. I've played a lot poorly rated games that turned out to be excellent and a lot of highly-praised games that turned out to be shallow. Game reviews are not indicative of what you would get out of a game.

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worthplaying x((

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So any good review is paid for, and any bad review is honest truth?

Jesus. So if I like the game then I'm, what? Delusional?

Personally I liked Gamespot's review that was extremely honest.  A lot was wrong but it gets enough right to make it fun. 

Modifié par Dussan2, 12 mars 2011 - 02:39 .


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This happens a bit. To shift genres a little, I remember when Doom 3 finally came out after years of religion-level hype. The reviews noted some issues but basically give it high scores. "Greatest FPS Ever" was in at least one of the reviews I read.

A few months later everyone had calmed down and all agreed that gameplay was a terrible disappointment.

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Who cares about magazine reviews these days? Half of them are throwing away good reviews to build strong relations with the developers and producers anyway. That means better scopes for them in turn. I only read them for the content of the articles, e.g news about a game I cannot find elsewhere, etc.

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Ardamin wrote...

Worthplaying 6.5/10 (PS3/X360) - Dragon Age II does not have much to recommend. It doesn't technically do anything extremely wrong, but it doesn't do much right, either. (DAO PC 8.6/10 | X360 8/10)


I've enjoyed DA:2, but sadly I can't disagree with anything in the worthplaying review.  Except maybe the game is more of a good solid 7.  And a 7 isn't good when I'm used to seeing 9s and 10s from BioWare.

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Edge 6/10 - Instead of the road going ever on, over rock and under tree, our path reached an early dead-end in Kirkwall, where we remained like a child in an embattled marriage trying to convince our bickering parents to play nicely. (DAO 5/10)

Gamestyle 7/10 - Dragon Age 2, like the first, feels like a whisper of a promise rather than a burst of fresh air, always heralding that maybe – just maybe – the next sequel will be better. (DAO 8/10)

GamersHell 7.5/10 - Smaller nitpicks make up an argument calling Dragon Age 2 a less-accomplished sequel to an incredibly robust fantasy RPG, but none are as deflating as its lacking game world.

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People are still saying the good reviews are being bought? The tin foil hat buisness must be making a killing thesedays.

People have different opinions, it happens. The Edge review of Origins (above) is a perfect example of how greatly reviewers can differ from one to another.

If it's a case of any overly good review is bribed, then you might as well say any particularly bad review is intentionally winding people up, it's just as likely, in fact it's more so for some outlets (again, Edge have been known to give controversial scores as have others).

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Apollo Starflare wrote...

People are still saying the good reviews are being bought? The tin foil hat buisness must be making a killing thesedays.

People have different opinions, it happens. The Edge review of Origins (above) is a perfect example of how greatly reviewers can differ from one to another.

If it's a case of any overly good review is bribed, then you might as well say any particularly bad review is intentionally winding people up, it's just as likely, in fact it's more so for some outlets (again, Edge have been known to give controversial scores as have others).


The 9.4 from PC Gamer has me puzzled. :mellow:

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Saibh wrote...

Metacritic

DAII:

  • PC: 90
  • 360: 89
  • PS3: 88

  • Mean: 89
DAO: 
  • PC: 91
  • 360: 86
  • PS3: 87
  • Mean: 88

As of this writing:

DAII:
  • PC: 84
  • 360: 81
  • PS3: 82

  • Mean: 82

Why is it apparently less favoured by the 'console crowd'? It can't just be the auto-target thing, can it?

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The 9.4 from PC Gamer has me puzzled. :mellow:


No more puzzling than those reviews that seem overly low. Most seem to agree the score should be between 7 and 9 on the whole, depending on various factors. Some reviews are lower, some are higher. The way I see it the PC Gamer guy just really liked the game, I don't see any reason that has to mean he was on the take or something.

The review itself was pretty good (although I would use some different... terminology in some cases heh) and hardly just an ad for the game.

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Something Awful - Dragon Age II is by no means a terrible game. It is, however, a wildly uneven experience. Its high points are undercut by the cynical approach of its developers to appeal to as many people as possible by restraining themselves at every turn instead of picking a direction and giving it their all. 

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I like that we're actually starting to see some more constructive critics of the game. I was getting tired of this "best RPG of the decade" nonsense. . . even though it's 2011 and the decade is only 1 year in. . . morons

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Gamekult 5/10 - With Dragon Age 2: Rise to Power, the license would take a serious turn toward simplicity and action... [Google translation].

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That's odd, I would think DA2 would be slightly lower than DA:O. Anyway, nice post.

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"Is it that bad?"

1:At first, I thought it looked like a very refreshing change to fighting, although after playing the game for awhile it begins to be apparently obvious combat has been butchered from unending waves of pointless enemies that ruin any strategy because enemies randomly pop out from nowhere the entire game. It was attempted to be turned into a hybrid strategy/action rpg, which strategy and action games rarly blend well. The repeated mashing of buttons doesn't appeal to me, if I was in the mood for that I'd play a real action game like god of war, or Devil may Cry

2: The entire first act is horrible, I don't have a problem with rags to riches story my problem was ok, first impression of this game. I start running from darkspawn while this dwarf gets beat up, I have no clue at all whats going. Not even 5 minutes later my sibling dies which personally didn't even bother me in the slightest because that early in the game I had never even gotten to talk to said sibling unless I have played multiple times. Then the templar dies, oh great more melodramics over characters I honestly couldn't give a **** less about. Alright it's flemeth! Well that didn't last long, two encounters and neither of them she holds any real point in the story, outside of showing me how she lives through my warden killing her. Ok, so I'm in town, now I'm doing quest that just feel generic, run around a bit collect gold. suppose I'll talk to my team try and livly this up a bit, oh wait, wtf, I can't talk to them? Well, so much for that.

3:Personally I've yet to actually grow attached to any of these characters. One of my biggest problem with awakening was the fact I couldn't just start a conversation when I felt like it, and now unless they have a quest I can't even talk to them. Really limits how well you feel you know a character, by the end of Origins I really did feel like my Warden and every member of my team really were family, I honestly had much more sense of family with all of them then I did with whats supposed to be my blood family in 2.

4: I can no longer equip armor to my party, this didn't bother me as much however it does push more towards this being an action game and not an rpg. I can no longer give my warrior the boss warrior armor of the game and instead get to watch them get pummeled in their weak gear.

5: Ok, my BIGGEST problem with this game is the lack of areas.... and not only does it lack areas, but every single one of them is a recycle. Well the graphics are nice, too bad I get the same bland scenery to look at.

6: Voice acting! Many, many, many people thought this would be plus, however I knew when I heard it that it would ruin the main reason I liked dragon age which was roleplay. It's extremly hard to play the character I -want- to play, over playing the character bioware has laid out. The wheel feels very limiting, and I'm not the only player to feel this way. The wheel vs the wall of text was THE main reason I liked dragon age over mass effect. Now that it's been changed honestly I'm leaning more towards mass effect being better.

7:I really, really, really wish more of what my Warden did had influence on anything. As is it felt like very, very, very little of the choices made were carried over. I don't think I noticed anything from doing the DLCs.

Theres other things I don't like, that list actually could go on for quit a bit but let me list the things I did like, although their arn't many

1: I like how Hawks voice will change to fit the type of character your trying to play

2:I like the new look for quanaris.

3:Graphics were as I've said, enjoyable.(I only wish I had something to enjoy over the same crate moved 5 times >_>)

4: I liked the idea the game spanned over 10 years, however I felt robbed of how much I could actually affect in the 10 years cause very little of what you do feels to have any kind of reprecussion.

Final notes: To the guy saying party tactics are new, you must be very, very young. Tactics have been in RPGs for allies since the earliest of RPGS back on nintendo, stop being ignorent. To anyone that says it's a good game, thats fine, keep your opinion. However don't come argueing with mine because

1: I don't care

2: As a customer I have full right to my opinion, just as you do yours. Personally, I wish I waited 3 months for this games price to drop to 20$

3: Rarly do those of you claiming this is an amazing game have any actual opinion to back up your claim. I've yet to see someone saying they liked this game to give the reasons of why they liked it. Before you ask and argue, yes I do like the game, however I am highly dissapointed with what I was hoping for from dragon age. As to liking the game theres still old school NES rpgs I play and like, so just liking something doesn't say much for what the quality of the product actually is.

Dragon Age Origins remains to be the best RPG ever created IMO, and it's up there by a long shot I have never had such a emotional response to any game or movie ever created, Dragon Age origins was amazing in so many ways. Dragon Age 2 it feels like I have to force myself to continue playing it, I'm just not enjoying it like DAO

Would I purchase DLC for this game? Probably not, in fact, very, very, likly not. Unless the DLC will hold major importence to DA3 then definatly not. I bought the DLCs from Origins hoping they would help somehow in 2, and none of them seemed to have any affect. That said i don't really enjoy DA2, it's ok, sure. However after playing 20 minutes straight I'm already looking for what other game I'd rather play. The problem is like, hmmm I guess I'll continue dragon age two, one mabye two continous mobs later I'm bored.

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"Is it that bad?"
 
1:At first, I thought it looked like a
very refreshing change to fighting, although after playing the game for awhile
it begins to be apparently obvious combat has been butchered from unending waves
of pointless enemies that ruin any strategy because enemies randomly pop out
from nowhere the entire game. It was attempted to be turned into a hybrid
strategy/action rpg, which strategy and action games rarly blend well. The
repeated mashing of buttons doesn't appeal to me, if I was in the mood for that
I'd play a real action game like god of war, or Devil may Cry
 
2: The entire first act is horrible, I don't have a
problem with rags to riches story my problem was ok, first impression of this
game. I start running from darkspawn while this dwarf gets beat up, I have no
clue at all whats going. Not even 5 minutes later my sibling dies which
personally didn't even bother me in the slightest because that early in the game
I had never even gotten to talk to said sibling unless I have played multiple
times. Then the templar dies, oh great more melodramics over characters I
honestly couldn't give a **** less about. Alright it's flemeth! Well that didn't
last long, two encounters and neither of them she holds any real point in the
story, outside of showing me how she lives through my warden killing her. Ok, so
I'm in town, now I'm doing quest that just feel generic, run around a bit
collect gold. suppose I'll talk to my team try and livly this up a bit, oh wait,
wtf, I can't talk to them? Well, so much for that.
 
3:Personally I've yet to actually grow attached to
any of these characters. One of my biggest problem with awakening was the fact I
couldn't just start a conversation when I felt like it, and now unless they have
a quest I can't even talk to them. Really limits how well you feel you know a
character, by the end of Origins I really did feel like my Warden and every
member of my team really were family, I honestly had much more sense of family
with all of them then I did with whats supposed to be my blood family in
2.
 
4: I can no longer equip armor to my party, this
didn't bother me as much however it does push more towards this being an action
game and not an rpg. I can no longer give my warrior the boss warrior armor of
the game and instead get to watch them get pummeled in their weak
gear.
 
5: Ok, my BIGGEST problem with this game is the
lack of areas.... and not only does it lack areas, but every single one of them
is a recycle. Well the graphics are nice, too bad I get the same bland scenery
to look at.
 
6: Voice acting! Many, many, many people thought
this would be plus, however I knew when I heard it that it would ruin the main
reason I liked dragon age which was roleplay. It's extremly hard to play the
character I -want- to play, over playing the character bioware has laid out. The
wheel feels very limiting, and I'm not the only player to feel this way. The
wheel vs the wall of text was THE main reason I liked dragon age over mass
effect. Now that it's been changed honestly I'm leaning more towards mass effect
being better.
 
7:I really, really, really wish more of what my
Warden did had influence on anything. As is it felt like very, very, very little
of the choices made were carried over. I don't think I noticed anything from
doing the DLCs.
 
Theres other things I don't like, that list
actually could go on for quit a bit but let me list the things I did like,
although their arn't many
 
1: I like how Hawks voice will change to fit the
type of character your trying to play
 
2:I like the new look for quanaris.
 
3:Graphics were as I've said, enjoyable.(I only
wish I had something to enjoy over the same crate moved 5 times
>_>)
 
4: I liked the idea the game spanned over 10 years,
however I felt robbed of how much I could actually affect in the 10 years cause
very little of what you do feels to have any kind of reprecussion.
 
Final notes: To the guy saying party tactics are
new, you must be very, very young. Tactics have been in RPGs for allies since
the earliest of RPGS back on nintendo, stop being ignorent. To anyone that says
it's a good game, thats fine, keep your opinion. However don't come argueing
with mine because
 
1: I don't care

2: As a customer I have full right to my opinion, just as you do yours.
Personally, I wish I waited 3 months for this games price to drop to 20$
 
3: Rarly do those of you claiming this is an
amazing game have any actual opinion to back up your claim. I've yet to see
someone saying they liked this game to give the reasons of why they liked it.
Before you ask and argue, yes I do like the game, however I am highly
dissapointed with what I was hoping for from dragon age. As to liking the game
theres still old school NES rpgs I play and like, so just liking something
doesn't say much for what the quality of the product actually is.
 
Dragon Age Origins remains to be the best RPG ever
created IMO, and it's up there by a long shot I have never had such a emotional
response to any game or movie ever created, Dragon Age origins was amazing in so.

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Ardamin wrote...

Something Awful - Dragon Age II is by no means a terrible game. It is, however, a wildly uneven experience. Its high points are undercut by the cynical approach of its developers to appeal to as many people as possible by restraining themselves at every turn instead of picking a direction and giving it their all. 


This was a really good review that describes Dragon Age 2 pretty much perfectly.

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Any way we can see the PC vs console breakdown?

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Apollo Starflare wrote...

DTKT wrote...
The 9.4 from PC Gamer has me puzzled. :mellow:


No more puzzling than those reviews that seem overly low. Most seem to agree the score should be between 7 and 9 on the whole, depending on various factors. Some reviews are lower, some are higher. The way I see it the PC Gamer guy just really liked the game, I don't see any reason that has to mean he was on the take or something.

The review itself was pretty good (although I would use some different... terminology in some cases heh) and hardly just an ad for the game.


Because for PC Gamer that places DA2 in the top 1% of games they have ever reviewed. It does not deserve that.

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Travie wrote...

Apollo Starflare wrote...

DTKT wrote...
The 9.4 from PC Gamer has me puzzled. :mellow:


No more puzzling than those reviews that seem overly low. Most seem to agree the score should be between 7 and 9 on the whole, depending on various factors. Some reviews are lower, some are higher. The way I see it the PC Gamer guy just really liked the game, I don't see any reason that has to mean he was on the take or something.

The review itself was pretty good (although I would use some different... terminology in some cases heh) and hardly just an ad for the game.


Because for PC Gamer that places DA2 in the top 1% of games they have ever reviewed. It does not deserve that.


Why? It is all opinion. When it matters, say in a a list of games of the decade for example, the score won't even matter anyway. I remember when they gave Deus Ex 2 92%, some folks were similarily critical then but it was a good review by a reviewer whom I had like the reviews of previously and he gave plenty of reasons why he rated it that highly. Same thing for DA2, there is really no reason to get the tin foil hat or staff of bitter cynicism out for one review in my opinion.