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[Melness]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Everything BioWare has made since BG II has been labeled the decline of the classic RPG.

More like BGI, amirite?

[Dante Angelo]

Threads like this are TEARING ME APAAARRTTT!!!

[dreamextractor]

[jacobdg]

iamrawn wrote...

Narrsan wrote...

jacobdg wrote...

Heres the sad truth: You all complain because you follow the crowd.

Icwhatudidthere

The sad truth is that you're right.

[MAD WHITE HAM]

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[RinpocheSchnozberry]

Klace wrote...

Good riddance I say. It's time we moved on.

RinpocheSchnozberry casts This (Level 10).  Klace's post gets This (Level 10).  The thread is over.  The forums celebrate.

[InvaderErl]

[Maconbar]

Wrong. RPGing started to decline with Bunnies and Burrows.

[Skilled Seeker]

Anathemic wrote...

Agree with the article.

As for the SW:TOR bit, when did action rpgs have to be console only? Diablo and Dungeon Siege would like to have a word with you.

The article tried to say it was due to consoles. And SW:TOR is by no definition an action RPG.

[October Sixth]

Pcrews wrote...

Ugh I hate these threads. EVERYTHING CHANGES OVER TIME. IF ALL RPG's STUCK TO THE "classIC" FORMULA THAN THEY WOULD ALL BE THE SAME AND PEOPLE WOULD B*TCH ABOUT THAT INSTEAD.

AustinKain wrote...

Well if all the complainers want to go back to classIC rpgs then we would all be playing TEXT based rpgs like ZORK.

What's going on here?

Modifié par October Sixth, 03 mars 2011 - 12:54 .

[Narrsan]

Games these days aint got nothing on Zork.

Modifié par Narrsan, 03 mars 2011 - 12:55 .

[falconlord5]

Anathemic wrote...

Agree with the article.

As for the SW:TOR bit, when did action rpgs have to be console only? Diablo and Dungeon Siege would like to have a word with you.

Since when is an MMORPG considered an 'action RPG'?

DC Universe is an MMOACRPG.

[Xai Mastermind]

drahelvete wrote...

Pretty much the same arguments that we hear now.
Evolution or devolution, call it whatever you want, but resistance is futile.

Exactly. As long as the game is good, I could care less for the title of it's genre. 

[TGFKAMAdmaX]

So they wrote an editorial about the demo. that doesnt seem to make much sense. and the combat wasnt too fast for me to use "pause and play"

and GI said it doesnt deviate from waht made DAO DAO. so

and talk of ruining games by making them for console gamers is sad. DAO wasnt a pc exclusive and if a majority of sales were on consoles then it makes sense to improve the product going to consoles as they are the biggst part of the consumer base.

Modifié par TGFKAMAdmaX, 03 mars 2011 - 12:59 .

[F4d3s]

well i cannot agree with everything in that article but i cannot deny that based on the demo and known game statistics (length of play, dialogue, more visuals rather than deeper gameplay etc), new combat mechanics/animations, etc, lack of in depth personalization, various class playability, and so on, Bioware/EA are definitely trying to make the game have more commercial appeal and cater to more of the masses and perhaps console gamers. Whether or not the actual game is victim to this remains to be seen and I will withhold final judgement until I play the game.  Maybe part of their strategy is to have us burn through the game faster and have less options in order to get to the expansions faster? Maybe DAO was a victim of it's own success and was so much fun to play over and over again with endless replay value? Dunno..

Bottom line is, billion dollar companies such as EA and perhaps Bioware are out to make the most profits and they will be loyal to their board before they are loyal to their fans. Have run my own company, I get it and I would probably do the same..

Modifié par F4d3s, 03 mars 2011 - 12:57 .

[Siven80]

Its mostly a fair article by an old school rpger.

Though some of the arguments are off base like the whole button-masg crap. But hey ho, opinion.

I'm still excited and ready to play it.

[atheelogos]

Skilled Seeker wrote...

Ridiculous. SW:TOR is a PC exclusive. How in the world is it an action RPG and what in the world does it have to do with consoles. Stupid article.

this

[atheelogos]

jacobdg wrote...

It has the same feel of Origins, you should all stop trolling.

and this

[Darji]

F4d3s wrote...


well i cannot agree with everything in that article but i cannot deny that based on the demo and known game statistics (length of play, dialogue, more visuals rather than deeper gameplay etc), new combat mechanics/animations, etc, lack of in depth personalization, various class playability, and so on, Bioware/EA are definitely trying to make the game have more commercial appeal and cater to more of the masses and perhaps console gamers. Whether or not the actual game is victim to this remains to be seen and I will withhold final judgement until I play the game. 

Bottom line is, billion dollar companies such as EA and perhaps Bioware are out to make the most profits and they will be loyal to their board before they are loyal to their fans. Have run my own company, I get it and I would probably do the same..

Of course but this is a great chance. People aare starving for a real tactival old school RPG  like  experience. And thats why the Witcher 2 is so popular these days. Yes the combat is also action oriented which isnt that bead becaused its not a party based game but all the other stuff is much much more old school and RPG like than anything out there at the moment.

And clrealy it shows that this kind of thinking is not bad at all. It will succeed the 1.5 million from the Witcher by far. And thats on the PC alone.

[LilyasAvalon]

Change happens, it's part of life, it's also part of the gaming industry.

To me, it still feels like Dragon Age.

[DTKT]

Darji wrote...

F4d3s wrote...


well i cannot agree with everything in that article but i cannot deny that based on the demo and known game statistics (length of play, dialogue, more visuals rather than deeper gameplay etc), new combat mechanics/animations, etc, lack of in depth personalization, various class playability, and so on, Bioware/EA are definitely trying to make the game have more commercial appeal and cater to more of the masses and perhaps console gamers. Whether or not the actual game is victim to this remains to be seen and I will withhold final judgement until I play the game. 

Bottom line is, billion dollar companies such as EA and perhaps Bioware are out to make the most profits and they will be loyal to their board before they are loyal to their fans. Have run my own company, I get it and I would probably do the same..

Of course but this is a great chance. People aare starving for a real tactival old school RPG  like  experience. And thats why the Witcher 2 is so popular these days. Yes the combat is also action oriented which isnt that bead becaused its not a party based game but all the other stuff is much much more old school and RPG like than anything out there at the moment.

And clrealy it shows that this kind of thinking is not bad at all. It will succeed the 1.5 million from the Witcher by far. And thats on the PC alone.

Please elaborate because honestly, the Witcher 2 is probably the least old school RPG game if I take into consideration the complain of the "old-timers" with DAII.

[Saibh]

...So...who read the real article. Because I was willing to listen to this guys opinion, but...

"The first evidence of a departure from Origins in Dragon Age 2 is located within the character creation tools. Quite simply you cannot create your own character as such; you merely customise a pre-set character. Granted, you can choose your own class, first name and the options for customisation of the character may be fairly detailed but the main character comes with its own, predetermined race, identity and history. This class-based character creation is usually associated more with Action-RPGs rather than classic RPGs and is our first clue that Dragon Age has shifted towards action."

I'm sorry, but whenever I hear this, I want to punch people in the face. You know that "classic" RPG mentioned later, KoTOR? Yeah, you weren't allowed to pick the history, race, or "identity" of Revan, either. Mass Effect was mentioned, too. Nope, can't really pick Shepard's history, race, or "identity", either.

I'm pretty sure you couldn't pick the race, history, or "identity" of any of the characters in the Fallout games, either.

[Fenn_]

I seem to remember there being thread like this for DA:O.

[Nefario]

Darji wrote...

People aare starving for a real tactival old school RPG  like  experience. And thats why the Witcher 2 is so popular these days. Yes the combat is also action oriented which isnt that bead becaused its not a party based game but all the other stuff is much much more old school and RPG like than anything out there at the moment.

As much as I don't want to steer the thread in this direction, can I ask what about TW2 is, in your opinion, more "old school" than DA2?

[LeonardoLuiz]

Its funny, because every gamer thought that Dragon Age would keep the classic RPG alive, now its just killing it.