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[Vicious]

You can't create your own character in Planescape: Torment, either. In fact, you can't choose your own gender, either, or name, or even customize your appearance.

Yet Torment is universally labled as a classic RPG in every sense of the term.

It was classic because it was 2d. Now be quiet, we don't need any sense coming into this.

[DocSun]

Anathemic wrote...

DocSun wrote...


So much truth here... Also I have been taking names of people who say they will never play, dont support or canceled their preorders ... I garentee 90% of those names will have the game regestered within 2 days of release. If they really cared they would vote with their money and not buy it at all... however they have no bite to their bark and will cave and just deal. All they want to do is just complain and moan

Sure I'll get DA2... when I get my money's worth on the Ultimate Edition.

I think you missed my point. I was saying that most people instead of actually doing something that is productive aka showing the company who creates and distributes said game by NOT buying it EVER! and thus they loose out on money and perhaps will learn and change up their pattern.

Instead they will **** and moan now and cave Most within the first week some much later but still they get their money either way... in which case they will keep making games however they want.

In short the only thing developers and publishers understand is money so vote for your feelings with your money by never spending it on the game period.

[Darji]

wolfsite wrote...

How about we all just relax, wait for the game to actually be released and actually play it properly beginning to end, then form an opinion.

Yeah lets all pay 50 Euros or 60$ just to see if we are wrong or not.

I have news for you. This years is packed with great gaming titles Titles from which i Know they will offer a great experience. Like Skyrim for example (not because of the game but because of the community)  Also I am very hyped about Deus Ex after the last previews and the promise that you dont need to killy anyone in this game to finish it is  a great thing for me.

[dreamextractor]

r2dr wrote...

dreamextractor wrote...

r2dr wrote...

thesilverlinedviking wrote...

I remember BioWare saying that Dragon Age Origins was supposed to play like the old-school RPGs. I don't remember them ever saying that Dragon Age II was supposed to play like them to.

If in making a sequel you're going to re-genre a game, change it's visual style, game play and setting, then you've got to think long and hard whether you should be calling this ship of theseus you're making a sequel, or whether perhaps starting a new franchise would be better.

Why would they do that, when they have a perfectly good universe to add additional story and lore to?

<_<

Well, they can set it in the same universe, but should call it something else to reflect that they're no longer making a Dragon Age game.

Lol you are completely ridiculous.

You must be one of the people that are mad that we're not playing the Warden anymore.

[Melca36]

This is what I think of this thread.........



I will make my review of the game once it comes out. 

Modifié par Melca36, 03 mars 2011 - 01:34 .

[AustinKain]

Anathemic wrote...

AustinKain wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

AustinKain wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

HyperLimited wrote...

I'm starting to lose any and all respect for the "old school" crowd when they negatively parade around like this. Never forget what the classics have brought us today, but don't be stuck in the past. Change is a part of life. Face it, embrace it, and move on, or be left in the dust. 

Final Fantasy XIII would like to have a word with you.

I'm not part of any 'old school' crowd, though I do agree with the article when it states "why fix it when it ain't broke?" (paraphrased of course).

 
Because they were copying off of D&D and thier own BG series, and wanted to create their own world/lore/rules etc..

When did using a simple base formula equate to no innovation?

I am not saying that. Go back and look at all the pre DA:O press and  you will see the spiritual succesor to BG line alot.  Then go on to say that in the future they want to get away from that and go on thier own direction.

The problem is that there are so many gamers that dont like change that when we got the old school rpg we went into nostalga mode. Now that the second part to thier plan is in effect we all forget what they said 2 years ago, and complain that they are doing excalty what they said they were going to do.

Wasn't there for pre-DA:O, I joiend the forums some time after

Anyways I partially agree with your statement. If what you stated is true, BioWare did notify their fanbase of the change. However, this does not warrant "screw you guys we are going with this plan and you ain't gonna stop us!"

I know what you mean at the end there, but Bioware was most likely working on DA2 with in months of DA:O being on the market. Therefore they had no idea it was going to be so big and gain such a cult like following.
The way i see it is we need to give the full game a try,and go from there. As this could be the best time to tell and give feedback before they get started on DA3.

[r2dr]

Blastback wrote...

GunClubGirl wrote...

I'm tired of hearing about how console gamers "prefer" action games, button mashing, or hack n slash. The media needs to stop telling us what we want. Origins was the best game I've ever played, and I played it on my PS3, and I'm a so-called "console gamer". These changes from Origins are not for "the console gamer". I'm so sick of the stereotype.

Yeah, I play on both PC and consoles, and love both.  And I love the hardcore RPGs as much as most anyone. 

Whatever happened to being just a gamer?

Casual gamers happened. The game industry's attempts to cater to that crowd is the cause of everything evil to happen to video games for the last 4-5 years. Becasue causual gamers only play for 5 minutes in a row, no plot must require an attention span longer than that. And you'd better get a simple bullet-point shopping list of tasks to do in your epic 20 minute fetch quest. And as they never play the game, they won't notice how we use the same 3 mazes the entire game.

[night0205]

I don't know if I agree with everything that article is saying but I do know that Oblivion is a dumbed down Morrowind, Mass Effect 2 is a dumbed down Mass Effect, Dragon Age 2 is a dumbed down Dragon Age Origins... The only franchise that is better for it is Mass Effect, because it has always been Action/RPG hybrid at it's heart, and works better as one. With that said, I've played Morrowind over and over and over... hours and hours... uncountable... and I played Oblivion about a couple hours.. Couldn't get into it. I played Dragon Age Origins about 13 play throughs of the main campaign... and I can almost guarantee, I won't be playing DA 2 that much. There is a truth that over this past decade games have gotten dumber, requiring less effort, and the quality of depth (for the most part) has gone down. Take that as you will. Dragon Age Origins was a gem for it's time, because there aren't any other games like it in recent years.

Modifié par night0205, 03 mars 2011 - 01:32 .

[Narrsan]

I cant let go
No, I cant let go of you
Youre holding me back without even trying to.
I cant let go
I cant move on from the past
Without lifting a finger youre holding me back.

Its not that our love died
Just never really bloomed~

[Anathemic]

Merced652 wrote...


Niether of them do demos because you know what you're getting, not because its a risk. Everyone knew sc2 was going to be a RTS, everyone knows d3 will be a hack & slash dungeon crawl, no pandering to consoles required.

Actually, I do count beta-tests as demos. Players do recieve a hand-on experience with the game.

[SomeBug]

I don't think the person that wrote that editorial has any journalistic training. I think they are an amateur writer, or to put it another way, a committed enthusiast. Playing at being press.

Passing judgement on a game yet to be released, poor use of language, hanging metaphors and poor conclusions. And we get a five page thread on it because YOU IDIOTS JUST CAN'T STOP YOURSELVES JUMPING ON THIS CRAP EVERY SINGLE TIME. EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.

You're all so dumb.

[Darji]

TGFKAMAdmaX wrote...

Darji wrote...

TGFKAMAdmaX wrote...

r2dr wrote...

thesilverlinedviking wrote...

I remember BioWare saying that Dragon Age Origins was supposed to play like the old-school RPGs. I don't remember them ever saying that Dragon Age II was supposed to play like them to.

If in making a sequel you're going to re-genre a game, change it's visual style, game play and setting, then you've got to think long and hard whether you should be calling this ship of theseus you're making a sequel, or whether perhaps starting a new franchise would be better.

It is still an RPG. and the setting is still in the world of DA. also the combat still has alot of familiar elements. So i dont think a change in visual style constitutes creating a new franchise

A Sequel should normall have more features and even more complexity and content instead of less.

they also need to refine and get rid of the unneccesary. and there was alot of unneccesary elements of origins.

Yeah more skills was a bad thing. managing your partys equipment was a bad thing. Also it was way to much dialogue in Origins and the Origins storys which made they game really unique was just a pain who needs stuff like that if you can have more sexscenes/romances  and exploding bodies.  Also who need different enviroments when you can have everything in one city. which even looks dead because too many people and things on the streets would just confuse you......

[Narrsan]

So who is up for some Mario Kart?

[errant_knight]

Well. I just bought DA2 on preorder. Took me this long to decide to do it. I can honestly say that I've never bought a game that I disliked in so many ways. It's a testament to the skill of the writers, because the only reason I bought it was for the story and characters. Nothing else about the game appeals at all--not the art style, the combat, the UI, the inventory management, the conversation system/voiced PC or the character models. But I bought it. Because I loved DA:O in every respect and DA2 has the same writers. Can't say I feel entirely good about it though.

[Riloux]

TGFKAMAdmaX wrote...

they also need to refine and get rid of the unneccesary. and there was alot of unneccesary elements of origins.

Such as? They've not refined anything so much as eliminated it entirely-- a prime example being the isometric camera. Unncessary element? I'm sure you think so.

[Anathemic]

DocSun wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

DocSun wrote...


So much truth here... Also I have been taking names of people who say they will never play, dont support or canceled their preorders ... I garentee 90% of those names will have the game regestered within 2 days of release. If they really cared they would vote with their money and not buy it at all... however they have no bite to their bark and will cave and just deal. All they want to do is just complain and moan

Sure I'll get DA2... when I get my money's worth on the Ultimate Edition.

I think you missed my point. I was saying that most people instead of actually doing something that is productive aka showing the company who creates and distributes said game by NOT buying it EVER! and thus they loose out on money and perhaps will learn and change up their pattern.

Instead they will **** and moan now and cave Most within the first week some much later but still they get their money either way... in which case they will keep making games however they want.

In short the only thing developers and publishers understand is money so vote for your feelings with your money by never spending it on the game period.

I understood your point, I however was defending myself as I was one of those people who stated I won't be getting DA2 at release.

Granted I will still get it, y'know, when the Ultimate Edition comes out and the full price of $60 is worth it. Now why would I get it? To formulate an opinion.

[r2dr]

SomeBug wrote...

You're all so dumb.

This indisputable argument has swayed my opinion. I see the error in my way now. I will immediately buy an xbox so I can derp with a hand controller like the rest of you.

[Merced652]

TGFKAMAdmaX wrote...

Darji wrote...

TGFKAMAdmaX wrote...

r2dr wrote...

thesilverlinedviking wrote...

I remember BioWare saying that Dragon Age Origins was supposed to play like the old-school RPGs. I don't remember them ever saying that Dragon Age II was supposed to play like them to.

If in making a sequel you're going to re-genre a game, change it's visual style, game play and setting, then you've got to think long and hard whether you should be calling this ship of theseus you're making a sequel, or whether perhaps starting a new franchise would be better.

It is still an RPG. and the setting is still in the world of DA. also the combat still has alot of familiar elements. So i dont think a change in visual style constitutes creating a new franchise

A Sequel should normall have more features and even more complexity and content instead of less.

they also need to refine and get rid of the unneccesary. and there was alot of unneccesary elements of origins.

Unneccesary to what? To the story? The whole combat thing is prohibitive to the story, it should be removed.

[SnowHeart1]

I was going to post something detailed on the article, but this has so rapidly devolved into a PC v console war with massive defensiveness of the part of the console fans and bitterness on the part of the PC fans it's pointless. Long story short: DA2 took a different direction in its design and mechanics in order to accommodate the 360 and PS3's controllers as compared the PC's mouse/keyboard. That's fact. Whether that's a good thing or a bad thing for gaming is clearly not going to be resolved in this thread.

[TGFKAMAdmaX]

Riloux wrote...

TGFKAMAdmaX wrote...

they also need to refine and get rid of the unneccesary. and there was alot of unneccesary elements of origins.

Such as? They've not refined anything so much as eliminated it entirely-- a prime example being the isometric camera. Unncessary element? I'm sure you think so.

if you think that they have destroyed features because they got rid of a camera view then that is quite sad.

[Anathemic]

SnowHeart1 wrote...

I was going to post something detailed on the article, but this has so rapidly devolved into a PC v console war with massive defensiveness of the part of the console fans and bitterness on the part of the PC fans it's pointless. Long story short: DA2 took a different direction in its design and mechanics in order to accommodate the 360 and PS3's controllers as compared the PC's mouse/keyboard. That's fact. Whether that's a good thing or a bad thing for gaming is clearly not going to be resolved in this thread.

I am PC Gamer!

(Yes I realize I have both ME2 and DA:O registered as consoles, worst mistake in my gaming life)

[Merced652]

Anathemic wrote...

Merced652 wrote...


Niether of them do demos because you know what you're getting, not because its a risk. Everyone knew sc2 was going to be a RTS, everyone knows d3 will be a hack & slash dungeon crawl, no pandering to consoles required.

Actually, I do count beta-tests as demos. Players do recieve a hand-on experience with the game.

Every game gets beta tested in some form, well except awakening. The fact that sc2's was sent out to 20k registered bnet accounts was pretty much exclusively because the life of sc2 was dependent on being well balanced.

[October Sixth]

Daniteh wrote...

incoming lock 3,2,1, go.

Six pages and counting, I bet you feel silly.

[Faust1979]

maybe the guy should just stick to Ultima games where he can enjoy endless mundane quests that are more of a chore than anything. I say Spoony's review of one of the games and holy crap all the things you have to go through for just one part of a quest that is insane. Heck I love RPGs but really some of the stuff they did in the past was just there to pad out the game to make it longer than it really is. I don't miss the days of wandering aimlessly just to figure out what I'm supposed to do next lost

[wirechild]

DocSun wrote...


So much truth here... Also I have been taking names of people who say they will never play, dont support or canceled their preorders ... I garentee 90% of those names will have the game regestered within 2 days of release. If they really cared they would vote with their money and not buy it at all... however they have no bite to their bark and will cave and just deal. All they want to do is just complain and moan

Make sure you put me on your list as I will not be giving EA my money.