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[r2dr]

Elvoria wrote...

Bring back Zork!!!!

you are standing in front of a cave what do you want to do?

>Enter the Cave

I do not understand

>enter cave

You enter cave it's dark.

You are eaten by a grue.

[Anathemic]

Aesieru wrote...

Hack and slash, is what he was getting at.

I don't see this mass-devolution that you're all ranting about.

And I don't buy games for their modding community, else I wouldn't spend money on the game but gain it another way, I play games and buy games because I want to play what was developed professionally, not by users... I would download the user-content or buy the content on my own terms for other reasons.

Essentially, Oblivion was bad, and Skyrim is going to be overhyped...

I bought Oblivion on console, beat it and enjoyed it decently.

I bought Oblviion on PC, implemented mods, loved it.

[Yrkoon]

Darji wrote...
 Yeah thats the main point here. But with Oblivion its a whole diferent thing because the modding  community is just fantastic and they always fix the stuff Bethesda does to please the consolecrowd and the console controlsheme.

You wont have this with a game like Dragon Age 2. Its not even confirmed that they will have modding tools and even if the community is very small compared o the elder scrolls one.

So  basically in order for a Bethesda game to be good, it has to be heavily modded by the fans?

hahaha.   Awesome argument.

[dreamextractor]

Narrsan wrote...

October Sixth wrote...

Narrsan wrote...

What is GaGa's new song called? saw it on youtube yesterday but now I can't remember D:

Born This Way

Ooh thanks. Not that I'm a fan... they are just really catchy :<

Hold It Against Me is better tbh

[Narrsan]

Hey, Anathemic

Found anyone that can actually argue their hate on The Witcher yet?

[TGFKAMAdmaX]

Riloux wrote...

TGFKAMAdmaX wrote...

Riloux wrote...

TGFKAMAdmaX wrote...

they also need to refine and get rid of the unneccesary. and there was alot of unneccesary elements of origins.

Such as? They've not refined anything so much as eliminated it entirely-- a prime example being the isometric camera. Unncessary element? I'm sure you think so.

if you think that they have destroyed features because they got rid of a camera view then that is quite sad.

Way to prove my point. 

So then provide me a list of features destroyed that constitute DA2 being dumbed down...

[October Sixth]

dreamextractor wrote...

Narrsan wrote...

October Sixth wrote...

Narrsan wrote...

What is GaGa's new song called? saw it on youtube yesterday but now I can't remember D:

Born This Way

Ooh thanks. Not that I'm a fan... they are just really catchy :<

Hold It Against Me is better tbh

She's just terrible altogether. If I wasn't spamming a thread I wouldn't be looking up her music.

[Lacan2]

I disagree. There is no genre for "slow, unsatisfying combat."

The combat system in DAO was an MMO abomination. It resembled nothing from the classic Bioware RPG's.

Modifié par Lacan2, 03 mars 2011 - 01:46 .

[r2dr]

Narrsan wrote...

Hey, Anathemic

Found anyone that can actually argue their hate on The Witcher yet?

That stupid backflip animation, that's what wrong with The Witcher.

[Anathemic]

Narrsan wrote...

Hey, Anathemic

Found anyone that can actually argue their hate on The Witcher yet?

Against me? No.

Tough the argument on this thread is pitiful at best (hence why I'm not participating in it :innocent:)

[OmegaBlue0231]

Darji wrote...

Yrkoon wrote...

Darji wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

How about we all just relax, wait for the game to actually be released and actually play it properly beginning to end, then form an opinion.

Yeah lets all pay 50 Euros or 60$ just to see if we are wrong or not.

I have news for you. This years is packed with great gaming titles Titles from which i Know they will offer a great experience. Like Skyrim for example (not because of the game but because of the community)  Also I am very hyped about Deus Ex after the last previews and the promise that you dont need to killy anyone in this game to finish it is  a great thing for me.

Wait.... let me see if I get what you're saying here.


We shouldn't gamble our $50 bucks on DA2 because we don't yet know exactly what we're gonna get....  But on the other hand, we should gamble our 50 bucks on Skyrim because  we do know what we're gonna get  because of the community?

Say what?

You dont gamble with Skyrim. The community fixes everything Bethesda makes wrong. and also not enough you can even choose how your game, how the mechanic, how all the systems in the game will work. You basicly can neglect everymechanics from bethesda itself. The elder scrolls series never had a great story the thing that this series has is the world itself. All the other stuff will be changed drastically. And you can decide how it will change.

If you have to fix the game, then why buy it?

By the way I'm not bashing TES because I love the games.

[TGFKAMAdmaX]

@Merced

Im not sure if you are serious or joking. because if they just wanted pure story then they would have opted for a movie or book. instead they wanted a game so that people could play the game.

[dreamextractor]

October Sixth wrote...

dreamextractor wrote...

Narrsan wrote...

October Sixth wrote...

Narrsan wrote...

What is GaGa's new song called? saw it on youtube yesterday but now I can't remember D:

Born This Way

Ooh thanks. Not that I'm a fan... they are just really catchy :<

Hold It Against Me is better tbh

She's just terrible altogether. If I wasn't spamming a thread I wouldn't be looking up her music.

Anything is better than that trainwreck of a I can't even

[Anathemic]

r2dr wrote...

Narrsan wrote...

Hey, Anathemic

Found anyone that can actually argue their hate on The Witcher yet?

That stupid backflip animation, that's what wrong with The Witcher.

I'll bite. The backflip animation was in perfect accordance in the books. Witchers are genetically modified mutants (due to the taking of herbs) to combat monsters. They are more agile, swift, and regenerate faster than your average human.

[Dangerfoot]

Klace wrote...

Good riddance I say. It's time we moved on.

This so hard it hurts.

It's called progress.

[DocSun]

wirechild wrote...

DocSun wrote...


So much truth here... Also I have been taking names of people who say they will never play, dont support or canceled their preorders ... I garentee 90% of those names will have the game regestered within 2 days of release. If they really cared they would vote with their money and not buy it at all... however they have no bite to their bark and will cave and just deal. All they want to do is just complain and moan

Make sure you put me on your list as I will not be giving EA my money.

Honestly Good for you man. If you feel that way its the only way to show it. I actually enjoy the new system so I'll be getting it but hey, nothing wrong with the old system either, it was good for what it was.

Yay for voting with your wallet!

[MJRick]

Darji wrote...

I think this long article sums it up very well for Dragon Age 2.

Here is some small quote.

Like many other developers, BioWare have made their three main cRPG series into Action-RPGs with Mass Effect 2, Dragon Age 2 and Star Wars: The Old Republic.
There is no doubt that these will be great games, but the problem is
that they have been sculpted to what will sell, rather than making the
gaming experience that a number of players are struggling to find
nowadays. The market has always been driven by sales, but nowadays the
publishers and producers are sacrificing genres in order to make more
money. As said previously, Dragon Age: Origins was a commercial
success so there was no real need to change the game so dramatically.
This declination is inextricably tied in to the popularity of consoles
over PCs amongst today’s gamers. As gaming spreads to mass audiences,
producers and publishers are lured by the money that comes along with
it. In this case it seems that EA have encouraged BioWare to open up the
game to a bigger audience, and in doing so have lost many aspects of
the genre it once was.

www.hookedgamers.com/editorials/2011/03/02/dragon_age_ii_the_decline_of_the_classic_rpg.html

But people should read the rest too.

When was Mass Effect ever a crpg? And how is Tor a action rpg?

Modifié par MJRick, 03 mars 2011 - 01:49 .

[AustinKain]

Anathemic wrote...

Narrsan wrote...

Hey, Anathemic

Found anyone that can actually argue their hate on The Witcher yet?

Against me? No.

Tough the argument on this thread is pitiful at best (hence why I'm not participating in it :innocent:)

I thought you didnt respond to my last post cause you came to see things in a different view.  You may have to go back a page or 2 now.

There is no argument on this thread, just a bunch of haters and fanboys trying to plex thier epeen's without giving facts or examples.

[Anathemic]

Lacan2 wrote...

I disagree. There is no genre for "slow, unsatisfying combat."

The combat system in DAO was an MMO abomination. It resembled nothing from the classic Bioware RPG's.

Yeah because DA:O was totally a MMO...

-facepalm-

What's wrong with you people?

[r2dr]

Anathemic wrote...

r2dr wrote...

Narrsan wrote...

Hey, Anathemic

Found anyone that can actually argue their hate on The Witcher yet?

That stupid backflip animation, that's what wrong with The Witcher.

I'll bite. The backflip animation was in perfect accordance in the books. Witchers are genetically modified mutants (due to the taking of herbs) to combat monsters. They are more agile, swift, and regenerate faster than your average human.

It's not the animation itself, it's that it would repeat over and over again when you attacked. But as a special move that occurred in one in every fifty attacks at random, it would have been great.

[Urazz]

Hellosanta wrote...

It seems that I fail to grasp the idea of classic RPG stuff. What does naysayer talk about classic RPG actually sounds like D&D based TRPG. Also, does people realize that "classic" means "old" not "bible"? They are actually saying that they want RPGs that is like the ones from decades ago. How about saying "I don't like this stupid MS word on computer, I want classic typewriter back," sounds like?
So much hate for any changes. I don't get this.

Edit: I'm also wondering what is the "complexity" people are talking about to be in classic RPGs? I'm not being sarcastic here, it's sincere question.

I gotta agree.  Where is the 'complexity' in classic RPGS I keep hearing about?  Are they talking about the bloated inventories, the long boring/tedious side quests that end up giving you something that makes the game easier, or the really big spell books that had so many spells that were entirely useless that noone ended up using on their mages?

[Darji]

da0Xeffect wrote...

I like games for incredible story telling and being able to face consequences of your decision. It bothers me when I see threads like this because it's like they're mocking those who will continue to play even if they are not cRPGs. I've always held Bioware as the ones that produce great story-telling games above all else and I'm fine with that.

What great stories? The story in Mass effect is a joke. Its neither deep nor good writing. Yeah the presentation is good but thats it.  Also which consequnces? Again Mass effect almost none choice you made in 1 is important in 2. Yes you have guest cameos buts thats it. And in 2 there are none either, If someone dies it all depends if you do their missions and if you put them in the right spot. Which is not even a decision ist comon sense. 

Origins made you a few huge decisions but in the end only the end part was important because in the middle parts like in the Mage tower or in Redcliff its always ended in the same way maybe with someone else dieing.

If you want a game like MAss effect and where choices and your actions matter play Alpha Protocol. This game does a far more better job in this than every Bioware game since Kotor.

[Veex]

Anathemic wrote...

I'm not part of any 'old school' crowd, though I do agree with the article when it states "why fix it when it ain't broke?" (paraphrased of course).

Who decides what is and isn't broke? I think the answer is fairly evident that BioWare does. If they aren't satisfied with the shooter mechanics in Mass Effect, or the combat speed of Dragon Age, they change it. Will that alienate a portion of their playerbase? Absolutely. Will that also draw in new segments of gamers? Absolutely.

One thing I do know is that no matter how vehemently someone resists change it happens in some form or another.

[Merced652]

TGFKAMAdmaX wrote...

@Merced

Im not sure if you are serious or joking. because if they just wanted pure story then they would have opted for a movie or book. instead they wanted a game so that people could play the game.

o rly? On the previous page of the post i'm quoting this other bro said:

I like games for incredible story telling and being able to face
consequences of your decision. It bothers me when I see threads like
this because it's like they're mocking those who will continue to play
even if they are not cRPGs. I've always held Bioware as the ones that
produce great story-telling games above all else and I'm fine with that.

Sounds to me like he only cares about the incredible story, what were you saying bro?

Modifié par Merced652, 03 mars 2011 - 01:52 .

[Aesieru]

Anathemic wrote...

Narrsan wrote...

Hey, Anathemic

Found anyone that can actually argue their hate on The Witcher yet?

Against me? No.

Tough the argument on this thread is pitiful at best (hence why I'm not participating in it :innocent:)

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