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[Hobosapien]

Miri's condition has no impact on the game. It does add to her characters depth, but I hope that's the end of it. Kids don't really have a place in this game, unless its in some end of trilogy happily ever after info.

[Chewin]

Simple, no one is perfect

[rayvioletta]

what about Tali losing her father? Jack having a childhood filled with abuse? Liara having her mother brainwashed and attempt to kill her? Joker having brittle bones? Jacob having less personality than most of the sidequest characters who only have one or two lines?
all the characters have had some pretty bad things happen in their lives, it's part of character development

[Loki330]

Or not in Jacob's case.

[Spartanburger]

It is not possible to synthetically simulate how the Asari reproduce with a form of DNA? Just take Miri's DNA, scramble it and grow it.
It's not perfect, it may not be 100% what she wanted, but without getting a entirely new reproductive system, she's left with either no kids or adoption.

Of course, those last two options are perfectly fine too, depending on perrsonal wishes. I doubt anyone would like raising a kid during the reaper war. Maybe after, but not before.

[Raizo]

Mash Mashington wrote...

And yes, i got the impression that Miranda actually does want to have children

Never thought of it that way, I thought she was just looking someone on Ipartner because she was a bit lonely ( at least before she got romantically involved with my Shepard ) but your theory does make sense afterall why else would she enquire about being able to have children if she did not want them.

I suppose that it is a bit sad ( for her ) that she can't have children. Still I do think that this revelation makes her even more interesting than she already was ( and she was already one of the more interesting squad amtes to begin with ). It's always intersting to put obstacles in front people, you can learn alot about someone by how they confront this obstacle, do they go over it, around it, do they find another route/path or do they just sit in front of the obstacle and cry.

[Rune-Chan]

So bad things can't happen to characters you like? How is that realistic?

That's like me saying that Bioware should fix it so Tali has her parents back because I don't want her to be sad.

It adds another layer of depth to her character and more importantly manages to invoke sympathy for those of us who generally dislike her.

rayvioletta wrote...

what about Tali losing her father? Jack having a childhood filled with abuse? Liara having her mother brainwashed and attempt to kill her? Joker having brittle bones? Jacob having less personality than most of the sidequest characters who only have one or two lines? all the characters have had some pretty bad things happen in their lives, it's part of character development

Beaten to it I see.

Modifié par Machines Are Us, 03 mars 2011 - 08:49 .

[Hexadecimal]

That one bit of information inspired me to read the rest of the dossiers, just the depth it added was fantastic. I never really paid much attention to Miranda, but by reading that, I dunno, I felt like giving her a hug or something. I regretted not talking to her very much.

It was great unexpected character development, imho.

[Merchant2006]

I was quite upset and sad upon finding that stuff about Miranda on the SB dossiers. As much as her dating experiences were funny xD it was that final message that sorta sunk it all in and you realised what was going on. Sure she can find other ways but it turns out she's literally sterile.

Like Solid Snake/Big Boss etc from the Metal Gear series. They were all sterile and had 0% of being able to have children, so they use their genes to make 'clones' from a surrogate mother. I suppose it all makes sense and that Miranda too has that option but my guess is her father did not want Miri to 'continue his legacy' and he wanted total control over his family future, which is pretty damn cold if you ask me.

[33percent]

JaylaClark wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

I was surprised reading that as well that she can't have no kids. After reading that well if I can't have kids with her then what good of use is she? fun sex. Then it gets old after a while then find a new girl. That kelly chick is more entertaining, no love bull just lap dance, strip tease. Wish Miranda would lapdance for shepard like kelly.

Um...
What the hell?

Y-eah.  Seconded, Xil.  That's ... from someone who really has trouble finding dates.  Not that I can talk, but it's not from that kind of mindset.

       Hahahaha I have trouble finding dates? did the thought ever occure to you maybe I just don't a give a flying f***. I'm sorry but you dated too many guys that just kiss your peachy **** too much on every "Special Date", and No you don't need to date someone to have kids it's called sex huge difference. Honestly being shepard it would be foolish as hell to limit yourself in ME2.

magelet wrote...

33percent wrote...
If they have technology to bring shepard back from the dead, they can easily give miranda the ability to have kids.

This is a flawed argument. Just because you have the technology to do one thing doesn't mean that you can thus do all things.

           No it isn't, if we have the techonology to deny death or becoming immortal yet we don't have the techonology to give the ability for a women to have kids. I find that truely laughable really, because shepard was beyond dead; he was roasted in the sky while falling to the planet. 

         Technology opens more applications for other purposes, to do such a task bringing shepard back to life is almost like inventing the warp drive. If one application works you build on that, and make it better or sell it on the open market.

[Labrev]

Her eggs lucked out. Miranda would be a hardarse mother.

Modifié par Hah Yes Reapers, 05 mars 2011 - 02:24 .

[Turneyvore]

She's got DNA doesn't she? If they can make Grunt/Miranda herself then they could take some of Shepard, some of Miri and make some vat-babies.

[Manic Sheep]

Turneyvore wrote...

She's got DNA doesn't she? If they can make Grunt/Miranda herself then they could take some of Shepard, some of Miri and make some vat-babies.

Considering her issues with being GE’ed herself and the whole ‘everything was given to her so she feels she can't take credit for anything’, she probably would want to have a kid the normal way rather than a test tube baby like herself.

[MadCat221]

Don't just be sad for Miri, be mad at Dad.

Think about it. An otherwise anatomically optimal ("perfect?") woman by design of a megalomaniacal egotistical father conveniently has a benign neoplasm in her uterus, rendering her barren.

Fabrication Rights Management of a most sickening and bastardly kind.

I'm hoping some situation where Renegade Shepard can put a bullet in his head and Paragon Shepard can inflict some manner of Cruel Mercy on him.

Modifié par MadCat221, 08 avril 2011 - 07:28 .

[Ieldra]

I have said that there is a way around that problem from the first minute. I find, should the infertility be intentional and not a side effect of say, the operations that gave her her biotics, getting around it and sending her father a picture of Miranda with children would be the best comeuppance.

Either repairing her condition completely or having children through artificial gametogenesis and IVF is within the realms of the possible. For everything else read my reply on the bottom of the previous page.

[Rob Sabbaggio]

MadCat221 wrote...

Don't just be sad for Miri, be mad at Dad.

Think about it. An otherwise anatomically optimal ("perfect?") woman by design of a megalomaniacal egotistical father conveniently has a benign neoplasm in her uterus, rendering her barren.

Fabrication Rights Management of a most sickening and bastardly kind.

I'm hoping some situation where Renegade Shepard can put a bullet in his head and Paragon Shepard can inflict some manner of Cruel Mercy on him.

We know Miranda's dad helped design Miranda, he probably wanted to maintain control of all aspects, including reproduction. What are the odds that he stole some eggs or something then made her infertile on purpose. Then he has control at all times, and a ready replacements (urrgh).

This doesnt strike me as coincidence. There could be some huge sidequest possibilities here.

For example, imagine the scenario where Miranda found out that her father had done this to her and had some eggs stored somewhere? She would want full on revenge, plus to take back whats hers. Imagine the dialogue where she has to come clean to Shep (she doesnt know Shep knows), especially if her and Shep are in a relationship. Then think of the mission possibilities. She might have a kid she doesnt know about, which could mean a full on rescue mission. Or a mission impossible style heist to reclaim the eggs.

[Siansonea]

Meh. Why would anyone WANT to have kids? Miranda's better off.

[appleyum]

That's why you will go ask Oriana Lawson for "help" :innocent:

[jamesp81]

Spartanburger wrote...

It is not possible to synthetically simulate how the Asari reproduce with a form of DNA? Just take Miri's DNA, scramble it and grow it.
It's not perfect, it may not be 100% what she wanted, but without getting a entirely new reproductive system, she's left with either no kids or adoption.

Of course, those last two options are perfectly fine too, depending on perrsonal wishes. I doubt anyone would like raising a kid during the reaper war. Maybe after, but not before.

Miri could probably do an in vitro.  I dunno, LOTSB doesn't tell us what the real problem is.  If she doesn't have any eggs in her ovaries, that's easy to solve.  We can probably do that NOW.  You harvest an egg from someone else, remove the genetic material and replace it with Miri's.  In vitro fertilize with the father's sperm.

Now, if there is something in her modified genetics that makes her genetic code such that an egg can't be fertilized, that's more complicated.  Maybe a hotshot geneticist could alter the DNA in one of her eggs so that the modifications that cause infertility are removed.  The child wouldn't exactly be half Miri and half Shep at that point, but pretty close.

If the problem is that the genetic mods made it so she couldn't carry a child, then a surrogate mother could solve their problems.

[jamesp81]

Merchant2006 wrote...

I was quite upset and sad upon finding that stuff about Miranda on the SB dossiers. As much as her dating experiences were funny xD it was that final message that sorta sunk it all in and you realised what was going on. Sure she can find other ways but it turns out she's literally sterile.

Like Solid Snake/Big Boss etc from the Metal Gear series. They were all sterile and had 0% of being able to have children, so they use their genes to make 'clones' from a surrogate mother. I suppose it all makes sense and that Miranda too has that option but my guess is her father did not want Miri to 'continue his legacy' and he wanted total control over his family future, which is pretty damn cold if you ask me.

Yeah, her father was a complete son of a ****.  Who knows, maybe we'll get to kill him in ME3?

[danteliveson]

Her kid would be a **** anyways.

[Raizo]

appleyum wrote...

That's why you will go ask Oriana Lawson for "help" :innocent:

She's genetically identical to Miranda so I don't see how Oriana will be able to concieve when Miranda can not.

[Ieldra]

Raizo wrote...

appleyum wrote...
That's why you will go ask Oriana Lawson for "help" :innocent:

She's genetically identical to Miranda so I don't see how Oriana will be able to concieve when Miranda can not.

(1) The condition is not necessarily genetic
(2) It was caused by progressive damage. Since Oriana is 16 years younger than Miranda, she will probably not have developed the condition yet even if it is genetic.
(3) There are ways around the problem even for Miranda (I've posted them repeatedly)

[Autoclave]

This revelation about Miranda in LotSB has made the character more complex. She is not your typical femme fatale.

[emmanuelsieyes]

It sounds like the problem is not egg-production, rather, it is a fault with her uterus itself. The neoplasm prohibits the proper development of an embryo. Eggs could potentially be extracted from Miranda, fertilized in vitro, then implanted into a surrogate mother.