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[mione]

Hmm well considering that Beth's last words were to the maker it seems like mama Hawke believed and her children do as well. They don't follow the chantry's lifestyle (towards mages at least) but do have some faith it seems.

My Hawke will believe in the Maker just not the Chantry's version.

[LobselVith8]

Raphael diSanto wrote...

Well, the comment is accurate inasmuch as Lizard said "risk being enslaved" .. He didn't say that if you let mages run free then they would. He said that they -might-. Which is a fair evaluation. I guess it depends on how trusting you are.

If it hasn't happened historically with societies where mages are given freedom, why would it be assumed that it would lead to slavery now? I find it fundamentally flawed to say you either "enslave mages" or risk becoming the person enslaved, because it's a false dicotomy.

[Maj.Pain007]

Riloux wrote...

Not on my first playthrough. I always play evil first. I actually have a hard time playing good at all. I have 3 evil DA:O playthroughs and 1 good that still needs to complete Awakening.

How is not believing in the Maker evil?

Does not compute.

[Silentmode]

Some of them will...

[cactusberry]

TheChosenKing wrote...

Yeah, he'll believe in the Maker, but that doesn't mean he'll be all giddy for the Chantry though.

Basically this...

[macrocarl]

My wise ass rogue one might, my serious wizard one will not.

[Longhorncurt]

Im not going to believe in the maker but im not going to be an ass about it, and take blessings, because it makes chantry ****s happy...

[LadyJaneGrey]

Another vote for "depends on that particular Hawke."

[HairyMadDog1010]

Most of my Hawkes will probably have the same view I do on real life Deitys. There may be a maker but my

Hawks will not spend their life trying to appease him.

P.S. All my Hawkes will be aginst the chantry.

Modifié par HairyMadDog1010, 04 mars 2011 - 02:00 .

[Stelae]

My Hawkes will be a bit like me, I suspect; laissez-faire agnostics right up until someone tries to manipulate or coerce them using religion.

I don't like Templars, though, murdering bastiges that they are. Mage sympathiser for better or worse.

[duckphone07]

Certain Hawkes I make will, and certain Hawkes I make won't. My first play through Hawke will not believe in the maker. She will in fact scoff at the chantry. My next play through Hawke will be a total believer. This way, I get different perspectives.

[Bruxae]

No. Ill kill every single one I can who does (ingame).

[Riona45]

I think I will have my Hawke believe in the Maker, but it will be Leliana-style where she has her own beliefs about him.  As a mage, she will of course be wary of the Chantry though.

And indeed--this question has nothing to do with whether or not Hawke is "evil."

Modifié par Riona45, 04 mars 2011 - 02:25 .

[Stelae]

The problem here is that we have mages locked up and oppressed by a
military of drug addicts who answer only to an anti-mage religious order
where they're denied basic rights and freedom, and that's not going to
be a problem as long as the mages never desire to have basic rights or
their freedom. I'm certain I'm not alone in thinking that mages
being mistreated and locked up is bad when we consider that a group of
powerful mages under an oppressive regime for the last 700 years is
going to cause significant problems when they finally decide that it's
better to die on their feet than live on their knees...

So totally this.

If there are people whose abilities make them dangerous, the answer is not, and never has been, to opress them and make them resentful or desparate. 

If you train someone to use a weapon skillfully, there's nothing stopping them becoming a psychopathic mercenary who shakes whole villages down, leaving swathes of blood in their wake and making Vlad the Impaler look like a bit of a ****.  What stops people doing that, and indeed what makes them embrace chivalry and use their talents to protect and uplift people, is not the constant threat of death if they step out of line.  It's education which rewards them for using their talent constructively.  

Magic is like any other talent in that regard - mages have to be protected from and warned about demons and their own baser instincts, but not by a bunch of heavily armed thugs. 

Modifié par Vian Lawson, 04 mars 2011 - 03:28 .

[Silver]

I would have no problem with Lady Hawke believing in the maker, but akin to real life my char would abstain from following the chantry's rules & regulations toward that matter (though in real life I don't refer to god as some omnipotent being).

[Chuvvy]

I'm more inclined to believe in a God in the DA universe than our own. That said, my Hawke will, but he won't worship him. Because the Maker is a right ****** that's abandoned his creation for what a small group of tevinters did thousands of years ago. If we're not worth he's time then he's not worth mine, that's the way I see it. I doubt there will be a dialog option for this, so I'll just go with no.

[Buffy-Summers]

Well since the Maker and Andraste have a lot of proof its kind of hard not to believe in the Maker

But the Maker only wants worshipers


So i will believe but i will not worship

[Chuvvy]

Buffy-Summers wrote...

Well since the Maker and Andraste have a lot of proof its kind of hard not to believe in the Maker

But the Maker only wants worshipers


So i will believe but i will not worship

brofist

[AbsolutGrndZer0]

iOnlySignIn wrote...
 along with the real Andraste (Flemeth).

You seriously think Flemeth is Andraste?  Interesting interpretation, not sure I've heard anyone else with that theory.

Modifié par AbsolutGrndZer0, 04 mars 2011 - 04:08 .

[megaz635]

The Water God wrote...

Slidell505 wrote...

Buffy-Summers wrote...

Well since the Maker and Andraste have a lot of proof its kind of hard not to believe in the Maker

But the Maker only wants worshipers


So i will believe but i will not worship

brofist

So you'll be a satanist?

....interesting

Im an atheist and I even know that satanists are bad people.

But that would change some stuff in DA2 IF that were an option...

[Chris_Really_Rocks]

My mage Hawke will believe in the maker but not the corrupt Chantry. My other Hawkes will be in the Maker and be HUGE devotees of the Chantry seeing that it's like totally badass!

[TJPags]

My Hawke will be a non-maker-believer (would it be fair to say atheist?).

However, my Hawke does believe that mages should be kept from the general public.

So, my Hawke will kind of belive in part of the Chantry...

[Javanaut]

Buffy-Summers wrote...

Well since the Maker and Andraste have a lot of proof its kind of hard not to believe in the Maker

But the Maker only wants worshipers


So i will believe but i will not worship

I'm sincerely curious... what proof is there? I don't keep up with the lore outside of the games themselves. If you're refering to Andraste's Ashes and the trial to get to them, I could easily dismiss all of that as proof of magic. Not proof of a Maker.

But to answer the OP: First play through is usually closest to my real life feelings. I'm not a believer, but I don't put down people who are. It's all just different paths up the same mountain to him. My character will stand up for mages' rights though. Just as he would for Elven slaves. 

Second playthrough, I'm usually a complete d-bag about everything. I guess you could say he's the internet troll of Dragon Age. He intentionally provokes others no matter what it entails. Not because he disagrees. Just because he can.