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[Chuvvy]

The Water God wrote...
So you'll be a satanist?

....interesting

No. My Hawke just won't woreship someone that doesn't care about his creation. What's the point?

Essentially he's an Aptheist.

Modifié par Slidell505, 04 mars 2011 - 04:41 .

[drahelvete]

Yes. No. Maybe.
I'd prefer to follow the Qun, but I doubt that's possible.
He'll probably be an agnostic.

[megaz635]

The last exorsism sure didn't show them to be happy and loving people.

If you watched the ending.

Modifié par megaz635, 04 mars 2011 - 04:59 .

[Javanaut]

The Water God wrote...

Javanaut wrote...

Buffy-Summers wrote...

Well since the Maker and Andraste have a lot of proof its kind of hard not to believe in the Maker

But the Maker only wants worshipers


So i will believe but i will not worship

I'm sincerely curious... what proof is there? I don't keep up with the lore outside of the games themselves. If you're refering to Andraste's Ashes and the trial to get to them, I could easily dismiss all of that as proof of magic. Not proof of a Maker.

1. Lyrium doesn't make people live forever.

2. The explanation was just provided so that butthurt atheists wouldn't complain about there being a maker in game.
3. The dev team is the maker.

Sorry, I'm not following what you mean by these points. 

[Maderek]

No, because there is no "Maker."

[Javanaut]

The Water God wrote...

Javanaut wrote...

The Water God wrote...

Javanaut wrote...

Buffy-Summers wrote...

Well since the Maker and Andraste have a lot of proof its kind of hard not to believe in the Maker

But the Maker only wants worshipers


So i will believe but i will not worship

I'm sincerely curious... what proof is there? I don't keep up with the lore outside of the games themselves. If you're refering to Andraste's Ashes and the trial to get to them, I could easily dismiss all of that as proof of magic. Not proof of a Maker.

1. Lyrium doesn't make people live forever.

2. The explanation was just provided so that butthurt atheists wouldn't complain about there being a maker in game.
3. The dev team is the maker.

Sorry, I'm not following what you mean by these points. 

Also the Archdemons actually are the seven old gods the maker is suppoused to have cast down.

That still doesn't prove anything in terms of whether there is or is not a Maker in the Dragon Age universe.

Modifié par Javanaut, 04 mars 2011 - 05:06 .

[Aralt]

My Hawke will start off believing, but depending on what happens in the game, may change his opinions.
(did the same in the first game)

[Red Panda]

The Water God wrote...

Javanaut wrote...

The Water God wrote...

Javanaut wrote...

The Water God wrote...

Javanaut wrote...

Buffy-Summers wrote...

Well since the Maker and Andraste have a lot of proof its kind of hard not to believe in the Maker

But the Maker only wants worshipers


So i will believe but i will not worship

I'm sincerely curious... what proof is there? I don't keep up with the lore outside of the games themselves. If you're refering to Andraste's Ashes and the trial to get to them, I could easily dismiss all of that as proof of magic. Not proof of a Maker.

1. Lyrium doesn't make people live forever.

2. The explanation was just provided so that butthurt atheists wouldn't complain about there being a maker in game.
3. The dev team is the maker.

Sorry, I'm not following what you mean by these points. 

Also the Archdemons actually are the seven old gods the maker is suppoused to have cast down.

That still doesn't prove anything

You wanted some type of proof and I gave it. You can choose whether to believe it or not, but what scientific explanation is there for dragons surviving hundreds of years underground calling darkspawn to come and taint them?

Dragons are cool, Chantry and Maker just are annoying

[Elessara]

Well ... don't really need scientific explanation. But that stuff happening still isn't proof of the Maker.

Both Wynne and Oghren comment on the area where the Ashes are stored. I believe Wynne says that the area is infused with magic and Oghren says there's a lot of lyrium there. No one knows what happens to someone who is surrounded by that much lyrium for an extended amount of time.

Dragons live for a very long time anyway. The huge dragons that sleep underground calling darkspawn? Ok ... doesn't mean the Maker exists. I'm not even sure I believe the Old Gods are actually gods themselves.

Andraste and all of the stuff she did? She really could have been a powerful mage.

Whenever I think of religion in the DA universe I always come back to a comparison with D&D. In D&D the gods were real. You knew it. Everyone knew it. There was actual substantial proof that they existed and they granted powers to their followers. This is true in a lot of fantasy settings. But not DA. In DA you don't KNOW without a shadow of a doubt that the Maker exists. Even the spirits don't know. If you talk to Justice in DAA he even says that some spirits believe there is a Maker but he's not even sure if they believe that because it's true or if they just see it in the dreams of mortals.
I believe David Gaider said they did this on purpose but I don't know which thread it was and I'm too lazy to find it.

Modifié par Elessara, 04 mars 2011 - 05:17 .

[Javanaut]

The Water God wrote...

Javanaut wrote...

The Water God wrote...

Javanaut wrote...

The Water God wrote...

Javanaut wrote...

Buffy-Summers wrote...

Well since the Maker and Andraste have a lot of proof its kind of hard not to believe in the Maker

But the Maker only wants worshipers


So i will believe but i will not worship

I'm sincerely curious... what proof is there? I don't keep up with the lore outside of the games themselves. If you're refering to Andraste's Ashes and the trial to get to them, I could easily dismiss all of that as proof of magic. Not proof of a Maker.

1. Lyrium doesn't make people live forever.

2. The explanation was just provided so that butthurt atheists wouldn't complain about there being a maker in game.
3. The dev team is the maker.

Sorry, I'm not following what you mean by these points. 

Also the Archdemons actually are the seven old gods the maker is suppoused to have cast down.

That still doesn't prove anything

You wanted some type of proof and I gave it. You can choose whether to believe it or not, but what scientific explanation is there for dragons surviving hundreds of years underground while calling darkspawn to come and taint them?

Again, I'm failing to follow your train of thought on this. I wasn't asking for a scientific explaination. I just stated that events in the game could be explained through magic. If citizens of the Dragon Age universe attach a parable or legend to certain events that's happened, it doesn't necessarily mean that's proof of a Maker. I was sincerly asking if there was any proof outiside what I've seen in the game (books, comics, writers, blogs, etc...), as many people in this community keep up with that sort of thing. I'm trying to understand your points, but they aren't very detailed, as you seem to just take it all on faith like a citizen of that universe who believed would. Which is fine. I'm not judging. Anyway, I'm going to move on to a different thread now. But thanks for trying. Good hunting.

Modifié par Javanaut, 04 mars 2011 - 05:28 .

[SirDoctorofTARDIS]

My first playthrought which will be a Warrior Lady Hawke is a devot Andrastian.

[darklordpocky-san]

nope

agnostic, like in DA:O

. . . unless they force us to, via voiced decisions

[Elessara]

Javanaut - There is no definitive proof. Nothing that says absolutely one way or the other that there is or is not a Maker.

I tend to roleplay it for specific characters. My HN's believe because that's the way they were raised. My CE's believe because that's also the way they were raised. My DE's go no but they believe in the elven gods. My Dwarves are all like pfft, Maker? The mages I've played both ways.

Personally I am on the fence. I can see why some people believe there is one in the DA universe and I can also see why some people believe there isn't.

@The Water God - yes I know they're not "normal" dragons. But they could be really really ancient dragons. Maybe at some point dragons were intelligent and were mages and these are the last of their kind of dragon - kind of like how the elves claim to have once been immortal beings. Maybe these are just really old dragons that were possessed by really powerful spirits. Too much speculation and no hard evidence and the devs aren't going to give us any answers because that's the way they like it. Although if we meet up with another archdemon and find "The Maker was here" etched into it's forehead ... I might take that as proof.

Edit to add:  My first Hawke will most likely be a believer but not a fan of the Chantry.  You can believe in the Maker and not be an Andrastian after all.  You can even believe Andraste was the bride/prophet of the Maker and think the Chantry is corrupt and shouldn't be followed.

Modifié par Elessara, 04 mars 2011 - 05:39 .

[Supreme-Jim]

Mine will believe but won't be an avid worshipper or anything. Pretty much how my Warden was.

I guess the only proof I can think of supporting the claim at all is that Andraste's ashes were the only thing that could cure the Arl. If any mage's ashes could have done that there would have been a lot easier ways to come across it. There was obviously something very unique and special about her.

Edit:  @ Elessara "Although if we meet up with another archdemon and find "The Maker was
here" etched into it's forehead ... I might take that as proof."

^ HAHAHA, I could imagine the maker being the type to brand people with his insignia or something.  Andraste probably walked around with a tattoo on thigh "Property of the Maker, do not touch".

Modifié par Supreme-Jim, 04 mars 2011 - 05:48 .

[LobselVith8]

Javanaut wrote...

I'm sincerely curious... what proof is there? I don't keep up with the lore outside of the games themselves. If you're refering to Andraste's Ashes and the trial to get to them, I could easily dismiss all of that as proof of magic. Not proof of a Maker.

Oghren's explanation to Leliana about the Ashes being the result of the lyrium wall changing everything in the temple fits as an alternative explanation.

[contextual_entity]

Insom wrote...

TokerMate wrote...
I see the Chantry as some weird cult to be honest and don't believe in their beliefs.

Their beliefs are pretty much correct. They believe Andraste is a divine prophet, and she's been proven to be.

By what? Having her ashes filled with Lyrium dust?

As Oghren and Morrigan point out her ashes are magically infused and in a Lyrium rich mountain, that doesn't make her blessed by the Maker.

[kjdhgfiliuhwe]

 My Hawke will believe in herself. She was raised to have enough self esteem for that.

[Jeremias]

Believe in Maker? Possibly.

Give a crap about chantry? Aw hell naw.

[Manic Sheep]

I suppose so, tho with the whole apostate thing probably not going to be big on worshiping. At least not the chantey version anyway. Will wait and see how the game lets you play that angle if its bought up at all.

This is a universe with magic everywhere and is set when allot of things would not be explained by science. I would imagine most people would believe in the maker or some from of deity.

Modifié par Manic Sheep, 04 mars 2011 - 01:24 .

[Dangerfoot]

My mage from DAO was pretty into the maker. My party was Leliana, Allistair and Wynne, so we were all a bunch of Andraste-freaks.

My first character in DA2 is going to be a bit of skeptic I think. Maybe she believes on some level, but she doesn't govern her life by it and she won't be gabbing about it.