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[Nonoru]

Amitar wrote...

Insom wrote...

TokerMate wrote...
I see the Chantry as some weird cult to be honest and don't believe in their beliefs.

Their beliefs are pretty much correct. They believe Andraste is a divine prophet, and she's been proven to be.

By what? Having her ashes filled with Lyrium dust?

As Oghren and Morrigan point out her ashes are magically infused and in a Lyrium rich mountain, that doesn't make her blessed by the Maker.

Lyrium alone doesn't cure poison.

[Major Crackhead]

Nonoru wrote...

Amitar wrote...

Insom wrote...

TokerMate wrote...
I see the Chantry as some weird cult to be honest and don't believe in their beliefs.

Their beliefs are pretty much correct. They believe Andraste is a divine prophet, and she's been proven to be.

By what? Having her ashes filled with Lyrium dust?

As Oghren and Morrigan point out her ashes are magically infused and in a Lyrium rich mountain, that doesn't make her blessed by the Maker.

Lyrium alone doesn't cure poison.

But the enchantments of that Lyrium can

[Major Crackhead]

there should be an option for Hawke to believe in the Elven gods if you ask me

[Killjoy Cutter]

The Water God wrote...

Slidell505 wrote...

Buffy-Summers wrote...

Well since the Maker and Andraste have a lot of proof its kind of hard not to believe in the Maker

But the Maker only wants worshipers


So i will believe but i will not worship

brofist

So you'll be a satanist?

....interesting

Huh? 

[Killjoy Cutter]

EvilCecil4th wrote...

there should be an option for Hawke to believe in the Elven gods if you ask me

Too bad they didn't allow a bit more of that in DA:O, when your character could actually be an Elf...

[Yojimboo]

I am a Atheist so i hope they don't force feed us the answer ^^.

[capnninjapirate]

My Hawke believes that Maker is dead, and the tevinter mages caught the dark spawn taint off his rotting corpse in the golden city. Or maybe i just made that up now to help pass the time.

[pulsar989]

my hawk and warden both believed in the maker. The chantry however is another story.

[Dr. wonderful]

Beileve in the Maker?

Oh, Hawke and my Warden did that.


The Chantry?

That's a whole new story.

[Fault Girl]

My hawke will be unsure, but shes no fan of the chantry..

[jadefishes]

This became an argument on the semi-divinity of Andraste?

How about the Guardian of her ashes and his longevity? The ghosts in the gauntlet? Forget the ashes themselves if you want, but the overall context argues more for her association with the Maker.

I find that much easier to accept in a fictional world and all. It's not like the real world where the arguments re (D)deity are prone to provoke sudden bouts of "sensitivity training" from management.

Regardless, to the OP's question, one of my Hawkes will, one won't, the rest will muddle through as circumstances dictate.

[Alauda]

My Hawke will be like...err...how do I explain this...well, you know when people say "Jesus Christ/Oh God" etc when shocked or bored for example? And then someone always tells you "not to use the lord's name in vain?". Like that.

My Hawke will not be a Chantry-goer and wont be reciting the Chant of Light, he'll be more of a "Oh Maker what are you going on about now?" kind of person.


You know, Andraste's knicker-weasels. :happy:

[Nohvarr]

I plan for my mage Hawk to believe in the Maker, however just because Hawk believes in the Maker, dosen't mean my mage will blindly follow the Chantry. Doing the Makers work dosen't require I wear Chantry robes.

My Hawks are not against organized religion. My Hawks are opposed to any person (or group) that would take advantage of any government system, religious belief, or just peoples trust to advance their own selfish goals and desires.

[Schurge]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Schurge wrote...

I think it is silly for your character to not believe in the Maker, or a god, considering there is magic which defies the laws of physics, as well as other natural laws (like making something from nothing).

Than again, they would have no way of knowing that it is impossible for magic to have a natural explanation.

Leliana says the same thing you do, that "this can't all be an accident. Spirits, magic, all these wonderous things around us both dark and light. You know these things exist." However, Morrigan counters this statement when she responds, "The fact of their existence does not presuppose an intelligent design by some absentee father-figure."

Science can only explain that which is natural. The supernatural requires a supernatural explanation and thus there has to be a higher power. That higher power doesn't even need to necessarily be an individual. In the Star Wars universe the Force is what binds existence together. In real life the laws of physics can't explain how the universe is held together, the universe is basically to our knowledge a scientific impossiblity (this isn't meant to bring up a real life religious debate let alone suggest that the Force is real).

Morrigan's argument is basically saying "I can't explain it, so I am going to pretend the problem doesn't exist." Morrigan believes that everything has a natural explanation. This comes from ignorance as she does not know what we know. In Dragon Age it is a given that there is a supernatural plane of existence (which doesn't even have its own fictional rules) within a natural existence. Leliana's argument is that it is hard to believe that the beauty of life and magic is an accident. Mine is that the fact that it is impossible for science to account for magic, demons, etc. requires that there be a super-natural explanation and thus at the very least a higher power.

I think it is reasonable to assume that the people hear who are saying 'hell no' are just saying that because they have something against organized religion in real life.

Anyways, I have to cut this short, stuff to do.

Modifié par Schurge, 04 mars 2011 - 05:45 .

[rma2110]

My templar Hawke will believe in the Chantry and all it stands for. Mages and magic are a threat, and anyone who dabbles in them risks demonic possession. For all Hawke knows it's magic that has allows demons into this world.

The game seems to be guiding players toward being pro-mages and anti-chantry. Hawke comes from a family of apostates. So I'm going against the tide for at least one play through, just for the lulz.

Modifié par rma2110, 04 mars 2011 - 05:59 .

[Russalka]

jadefishes wrote...

This became an argument on the semi-divinity of Andraste?

How about the Guardian of her ashes and his longevity? The ghosts in the gauntlet? Forget the ashes themselves if you want, but the overall context argues more for her association with the Maker.

I find that much easier to accept in a fictional world and all. It's not like the real world where the arguments re (D)deity are prone to provoke sudden bouts of "sensitivity training" from management.

Regardless, to the OP's question, one of my Hawkes will, one won't, the rest will muddle through as circumstances dictate.

The guardian is a spirit as well and the veil is thin.

[Raraptor]

WrexKroganKing wrote...

My Hawke has no need of fairy tales and metaphysical comfort blankets.

This. I don't need it irl, so I won't need it in-game either.

But maybe, just maybe for the sake of roleplaying I could make my MaleHawke believe in it. At least my sarcastic and witty female rogue won't, that's for sure.

Modifié par Raraptor, 04 mars 2011 - 06:05 .

[Calla S]

Certainly any self-respecting, charming hero wouldn't believe in something greater than themselves. I mean, I've survived twenty-two years on my wit alone. Even in a pseudo-medieval setting, a vocal atheist wouldn't stick out like a sore thumb. Of course not.

If that didn't make my answer obvious, yes, they will believe in the Maker. My main Lady Hawke will also support the Chantry and the Templars, should that really be the main decision.

Modifié par Calla S, 04 mars 2011 - 06:14 .

[Aesieru]

I think Hawke will probably believe in the Maker, in some form.

[DW2511]

The way they wrote the first game, they pretty much tell you he exist or existed at some point.

So yes.

[atheelogos]

Xrissie wrote...

My mage Hawke doesn't want anything to do with that Chantry and its "Maker".

this. If there is a Maker, and there very well may be, then I'm sure the Chantry has corrupted its original image into something its not. So will Hawke believe in the Maker? No, or at least not the Chantry's version of it.

Modifié par atheelogos, 04 mars 2011 - 06:20 .

[ExaltedReign]

Being an apostate, and maybe blood mage, I'd have to say maybe.

Something like the maker, probably. The fade exists. You can clearly see the black city in the distance, but that doesn't mean they that the Chantry is right.

But the whole "andraste is the bride of the maker, the redeemer, etc" probably not.
The conventional Chantry's belief, is to nutty for my Hawke to believe.

He'll probably be an agnostic-atheist type (Not believing, but will accept proof).

Modifié par ExaltedReign, 04 mars 2011 - 06:25 .

[atheelogos]

Yojimboo wrote...

I am a Atheist so i hope they don't force feed us the answer ^^.

In a way they already have. "

Weep not for me, child. Stone they made me and stone I am, eternal and
unfeeling. And thus shall I endure 'til the Maker returns to light their
fires again." Eleni Zinovia

Here's what Bioware has to say about her.
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/141/index/4886196/1&lf=8

[Captain_Obvious]

Nope, no maker for my Hawkes.