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[danteliveson]

Hell no.

[Neon_Kharma]

In one of my saves I poured the blood in the Sacred Urn and killed the dragon cult guys and the high dragon afterward anyway and lost Wynne five minutes after that.

[Bluumberry]

I hate the chantry and don't believe in the Maker, does that mean my Hawke will be the same? Possibly hate the Chantry, but she will no doubt believe in the Maker, as it's clearly a deeply rooted thing in Thedas.

Also just to point it out to those saying "The Templars are mean beasts to Mages and should be put down!" - you did follow Origins right? The fact is that there are maleficar that need to be put down(not saying apostates, only the Chantry thinks that) because they endanger people, and the second fact is that Templars also shelter Mages. Wynne tells you how many never even make it to the Circle Tower, instead they're usually executed by whatever family/village they're in.

[BigFunLove]

I LOVED the option to remain silent during the prayer services in DAO. I am an atheist, my warden is an atheist and Hawke will be an atheist...the holy trinity of atheism. That doesn't mean I will be all "burn chantry burn" in the game...but I will definitely let my opinion be known if asked to join in a prayer or forced to listen to Maker this and that crap. In any case having an organization like the chantry around is a very useful tool for a ruler to control the populace...not that I would keep them around for that purpose but it would be interesting if that was incorporated into the game as an option.

[Lycans Bane]

Mine will be up until Merill. Fromn that point he's going to be a stern believer in the elven pantheon.

[TheCreeper]

silentassassin264 wrote...

Carlthestrange wrote...

In truth when I look at the chantry and what it does, I feel it is actually the game developers taking a veiled stab at Religion, and how it is manipulated to control people.

What?  Gaider will always defend the Chantry and try to explain why it is necessary.  If anything, they support it fanatically.

I always thought their view of the Chantry and templars was "it's needed but they go a bit overboard in their methods"

[frostserpant]

My hawke is a rational rogue. He does not believe in what you tell him to believe and will stab you in the face if you try and force your delusions upon him. However, i'm sure that he could be "persuaded" to reevaluate his beliefs if a large amount of gold is sent his way.

[My Avatar is a Lizard]

TheCreeper wrote...

silentassassin264 wrote...

Carlthestrange wrote...

In truth when I look at the chantry and what it does, I feel it is actually the game developers taking a veiled stab at Religion, and how it is manipulated to control people.

What?  Gaider will always defend the Chantry and try to explain why it is necessary.  If anything, they support it fanatically.

I always thought their view of the Chantry and templars was "it's needed but they go a bit overboard in their methods"

Both sides have their good and bad as do all politics.

Would you rather enslave mages or risk being enslaved by mages? Your choice.

[Darkhour]

Only my human noble believes in the maker.

It does not seem right that dwarves, elves or mages would be Chantry types.  If you mean, simple belief in the Maker's existence, I don't think the dialog allows for such a deist view.  Usually you have to be against or support the Chantry. With that said, Hawke either is a mage or has a mage sister. No Chantry support and no love for the deity, but simple belief - yes.

[silentassassin264]

TheCreeper wrote...

silentassassin264 wrote...

Carlthestrange wrote...

In truth when I look at the chantry and what it does, I feel it is actually the game developers taking a veiled stab at Religion, and how it is manipulated to control people.

What?  Gaider will always defend the Chantry and try to explain why it is necessary.  If anything, they support it fanatically.

I always thought their view of the Chantry and templars was "it's needed but they go a bit overboard in their methods"

Well that is supposed to be the official stance to make it gray and grey morality but Gaider at least always defends it here.  I don't know if he is just trying to be devil's advocate to the horde of Chantry hate however.

[Steks25]

Hell YES!

I like rping a fanatically religious warrior.

[harktag]

Although it may seem contradictory, my mage Hawke will certainly believe in the Maker. And he'll respect the Chantry and its good intentions, but won't necessarily agree in all of their activities (e.g. their treatment of mages).

That type of character sort of reflects myself in real life as a gay man who considers himself to be a very religious/devout Roman Catholic - despite their traditional views on homosexuality. So for me, it would resonate a very personal note.

Modifié par harktag, 03 mars 2011 - 06:04 .

[MoonGlow]

I do beleive in God and jesus so my Hawke will beleive as for the chantry well lets just say Jesus said in the book of Jhon.He who is without sin let him cast the first stone.I beleive in letting people finde thire own path to God but at the same time time it is not right to lock someone up away from socioty for somnething they were born with that is something you could not of known. as for prayer I like to pray because of my pre cancer I have found faith in prrayer that is something I like alot in Origins especually on Sunday when I can.t make to church just a foot note I very much dislike the templars

[TwistedComplex]

Considering Andrastes ashes really DID cure the Arl, i would say it's not implausible that there is a maker in the Dragon Age world

This isn't about whether or not you believe in God in real life, it's about whether you believe in it in Dragon Age. And judging by how there's magic, demons, spirits, i would probably believe in a maker if i was in Dragon Age

Modifié par TwistedComplex, 03 mars 2011 - 06:32 .

[Panpsychist]

Will my Hawke be religious? No, definitely not.

Will my Hawke seek to destroy the Chantry? He will seek to free the Mages and seek self policing for that organization, but he will recognize that only the Chantry gives aid and succor to the powerless in Thedas. We'll see what happens.

Will my Hawke believe in the Maker? Yes, but he will hate Him for causing, let alone allowing, the blight to destroy innocent lives. The Maker is not dead: he is alive and killing in Lothering.

Modifié par Panpsychist, 03 mars 2011 - 06:38 .

[My Avatar is a Lizard]

TwistedComplex wrote...

Considering Andrastes ashes really DID cure the Arl, i would say it's not implausible that there is a maker in the Dragon Age world

This isn't about whether or not you believe in God in real life, it's about whether you believe in it in Dragon Age. And judging by how there's magic, demons, spirits, i would probably believe in a maker if i was in Dragon Age

I like your views,

I'm sure if i saw a friggin demon pop out of the ground and posses my child i'd be praying everyday.

[Syagre]

In DAO I made characters whose belief were consistent with their origins (2 dwarves believing in their ancestors, one dalish beliving in the elven gods, and a human noble believing in the Maker).
In my first DA2 playthrough, I guess I'll make a mage that would have been perfectly fitting in DAO's Mage Collective. I guess he'll have faith in the Maker, but have free practice of the religion.

It is also true that Chantry's religion has many more tangible aspects in Thedas (the fade, the black city, demons and abominations) than the most common religions on Earth. 

Modifié par Syagre, 03 mars 2011 - 06:38 .

[hugafella]

harktag wrote...

Although it may seem contradictory, my mage Hawke will certainly believe in the Maker. And he'll respect the Chantry and its good intentions, but won't necessarily agree in all of their activities (e.g. their treatment of mages).

same here

[Panpsychist]

harktag wrote...

Although it may seem contradictory, my mage Hawke will certainly believe in the Maker. And he'll respect the Chantry and its good intentions, but won't necessarily agree in all of their activities (e.g. their treatment of mages).

That type of character sort of reflects myself in real life as a gay man who considers himself to be a very religious/devout Roman Catholic - despite their traditional views on homosexuality. So for me, it would resonate a very personal note.

It isn't contadictory to me and I am a straight man who considers himself an atheist.

Modifié par Panpsychist, 03 mars 2011 - 06:39 .

[Panpsychist]

Steks25 wrote...

Hell YES!

I like rping a fanatically religious warrior.

There are few things more fun!

Modifié par Panpsychist, 03 mars 2011 - 06:40 .

[TGFKAMAdmaX]

My hawke will be a blood mage who sides with the chantry if possible. he believes in the maker and accepts the templars/chantry as a needed evil.

[TGFKAMAdmaX]

TwistedComplex wrote...

Considering Andrastes ashes really DID cure the Arl, i would say it's not implausible that there is a maker in the Dragon Age world

This isn't about whether or not you believe in God in real life, it's about whether you believe in it in Dragon Age. And judging by how there's magic, demons, spirits, i would probably believe in a maker if i was in Dragon Age

i always found it odd that they had the ashes cure the arl in the game. because that is a pretty strong case as to the existence of the maker in thedas.

[Panpsychist]

frostserpant wrote...

My hawke is a rational rogue. He does not believe in what you tell him to believe and will stab you in the face if you try and force your delusions upon him. However, i'm sure that he could be "persuaded" to reevaluate his beliefs if a large amount of gold is sent his way.

He could start the first Megachurch in Thedas!

[LobselVith8]

TwistedComplex wrote...

Considering Andrastes ashes really DID cure the Arl, i would say it's not implausible that there is a maker in the Dragon Age world

Oghren addresses this when he's present with Leliana by mentioning that the wall of lyrium is changing everything in the temple, and says it to explain why the Urn has such properties.

silentassassin264 wrote...

Carlthestrange wrote...

In truth when I look at the chantry and what it does, I feel it is actually the game developers taking a veiled stab at Religion, and how it is manipulated to control people.

What?  Gaider will always defend the Chantry and try to explain why it is necessary.  If anything, they support it fanatically.

Actually, this is factually inaccurate. David Gaider never said the Chantry or the templars were correct. He took a very condescending attitude towards fans and make an inaccurate assumption about why people disagreed with mages being imprisoned by the Chantry because he assumed people were saying "templars are bad" when the argument was that "the Chantry is wrong." This is what he said precisely:

David Gaider wrote...

Indeed. The reason the "templars are bad" view is so prevalent is because most of us live in cushy western societies where anything that smells like oppression is Very Bad, and the only determining factor in how one should treat mages is how fair that treatment is.

The problem here is that we have mages locked up and oppressed by a military of drug addicts who answer only to an anti-mage religious order where they're denied basic rights and freedom, and that's not going to be a problem as long as the mages never desire to have basic rights or their freedom. I'm certain I'm not alone in thinking that mages being mistreated and locked up is bad when we consider that a group of powerful mages under an oppressive regime for the last 700 years is going to cause significant problems when they finally decide that it's better to die on their feet than live on their knees...

My Avatar is a Lizard wrote...

Both sides have their good and bad as do all politics.

Would you rather enslave mages or risk being enslaved by mages? Your choice.

This comment isn't accurate when you consider there are free mages among the Chasind tribes, the town of Haven, and the nation of Rivain, and it isn't a magocracy. Even the Dalish clans base their leaders on the nobility that ruled the Dales, not on having magical ability.

Modifié par LobselVith8, 03 mars 2011 - 07:28 .