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[BigEvil]

It'll vary depending on playthrough but I'm contemplating having a male rogue Hawke called Flash. He won't worship the Maker, the Maker will worship him! I'll have to look at the options for customisation but he might end up looking a bit like Rik Mayall.

[LobselVith8]

silentassassin264 wrote...

Carlthestrange wrote...

In truth when I look at the chantry and what it does, I feel it is actually the game developers taking a veiled stab at Religion, and how it is manipulated to control people.

What?  Gaider will always defend the Chantry and try to explain why it is necessary.  If anything, they support it fanatically.

Actually, Gaider attacked people for labelling templars as "evil," which wasn't even the case in the discussion that was being had. He's never said the Circle was necessary; he never took a stand on one side or the other. We also know that another dev, Michael Hamilton, referrenced the Circle as a dictatorship when explaining why the Chantry had turned the Magi boon down.

Michael Hamilton wrote...

Since when has any dictatorship ever been turned over by asking politely?

Really think about what you're saying.

"I asked and they said no!"

I'm not a fan of dictatorships.

TGFKAMAdmaX wrote...

My hawke will be a blood mage who sides with the chantry if possible. he believes in the maker and accepts the templars/chantry as a needed evil.

Why are you going to be a blood mage if you want to side with the Chantry? Blood mages are executed (and even the templars put out a bounty on Morrigan because they think she's a blood mage). I'm not saying it's impossible, but I can see how it would be a problem since the punishment for blood magic is death.

[Iberius]

My Hawke will believe in the Maker, but certainly not the chantry's way of controlling the templars and through them the mages.

I'll have to wait and see before I make my decision who to "side" with between the mages/chantry if you even get to make that decision. Whatever I consider to be the lesser evil is who I'll side with.

[TGFKAMAdmaX]

@ Lobsel

To eliminate the competition. It doesnt need to be known that he is a blood mage. he would either do it to make himself the most powerful mage. or he will try and convince himself that what he did is necesary and he should be exempt from that penalty because he did it for the greater good.

[Maelora]

I'm going to slaughter every Andrastian in Thedas.

I really hope we get to kill Cullen in DA2 - I detested him in Origins.

[LobselVith8]

TGFKAMAdmaX wrote...

@ Lobsel

To eliminate the competition. It doesnt need to be known that he is a blood mage. he would either do it to make himself the most powerful mage. or he will try and convince himself that what he did is necesary and he should be exempt from that penalty because he did it for the greater good.

So you're going to hide that you're a mage, or you're going to accept the templars' judgement and hope they send you to the Kirkwall Circle?

[Dragoonlordz]

My Hawke will do and say everything possible to destroy the Chantry and stick a very long metal shaft up the makers bum hoping to provoke the maker to come down and then beat him up ending their religious zealot order.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 03 mars 2011 - 07:11 .

[SmokeyNinjas]

Nope strictly non-theist

[My Avatar is a Lizard]

Is there a way i can lock this thread?

[PhrosniteAgainROFL]

Believe that he is a god? No. Believe that he is a powerful being? Yes.

[TGFKAMAdmaX]

LobselVith8 wrote...

TGFKAMAdmaX wrote...

@ Lobsel

To eliminate the competition. It doesnt need to be known that he is a blood mage. he would either do it to make himself the most powerful mage. or he will try and convince himself that what he did is necesary and he should be exempt from that penalty because he did it for the greater good.

So you're going to hide that you're a mage, or you're going to accept the templars' judgement and hope they send you to the Kirkwall Circle?

the hiding seems good. i just carry the staff to look stylish!!!! 

depends on the actions i can partake in game though. if i can just accept the will of the templars then i might. maybe they will let hawke be free of their control in exchange for other apostates...

[LobselVith8]

TGFKAMAdmaX wrote...
the hiding seems good. i just carry the staff to look stylish!!!! 

depends on the actions i can partake in game though. if i can just accept the will of the templars then i might. maybe they will let hawke be free of their control in exchange for other apostates...

What are you planning to do about Anders and Merrill? They're technically apostates, too.

[Schurge]

I think it is silly for your character to not believe in the Maker, or a god, considering there is magic which defies the laws of physics, as well as other natural laws (like making something from nothing).

Than again, they would have no way of knowing that it is impossible for magic to have a natural explanation.

[TGFKAMAdmaX]

LobselVith8 wrote...

TGFKAMAdmaX wrote...
the hiding seems good. i just carry the staff to look stylish!!!! 

depends on the actions i can partake in game though. if i can just accept the will of the templars then i might. maybe they will let hawke be free of their control in exchange for other apostates...

What are you planning to do about Anders and Merrill? They're technically apostates, too.

Depends on whether or not my Hawke is corrupted by the blood magic. He will either turn them in for power or he will cut a deal for them as well. all this assuming i can do it in game of course...

[Haus of Dye]

I hope I can insult those who believe in the maker like I did in the first game ^__^
...but no, my Hawke will not believe in the maker.

[brain_damage]

The Maker is Hawke's beard. Even if Hawke is female.

[gingerbill]

Insom wrote...

The maker is real if the urn of sacred ashes is any indication.

thats what i thought .

My hawke will believe in the maker (unless DA2 offers something to change that) but will continue to dislike the chantry .

[utenanon]

Probably not. Attitude towards religion is something that I and my characters in Bioware games tend to have in common. Idk why. I can play an evil jerk or a warrior of justice, but they'll always have the same general view on religion.
I've tried to play characters otherwise, but afterwards it just takes me out of the game in a bad way.

[LobselVith8]

Schurge wrote...

I think it is silly for your character to not believe in the Maker, or a god, considering there is magic which defies the laws of physics, as well as other natural laws (like making something from nothing).

Than again, they would have no way of knowing that it is impossible for magic to have a natural explanation.

Leliana says the same thing you do, that "this can't all be an accident. Spirits, magic, all these wonderous things around us both dark and light. You know these things exist." However, Morrigan counters this statement when she responds, "The fact of their existence does not presuppose an intelligent design by some absentee father-figure."

[Raphael diSanto]

Firstly, you can believe in the Maker without supporting the Chantry. Like someone more famous than I once said - "I don't have a problem with gods. It's their fan clubs I hate."

LobselVith8 wrote...

My Avatar is a Lizard wrote...

Both sides have their good and bad as do all politics.

Would you rather enslave mages or risk being enslaved by mages? Your choice.

This comment isn't accurate when you consider there are free mages among the Chasind tribes, the town of Haven, and the nation of Rivain, and it isn't a magocracy. Even the Dalish clans base their leaders on the nobility that ruled the Dales, not on having magical ability.

Well, the comment is accurate inasmuch as Lizard said "risk being enslaved" .. He didn't say that if you let mages run free then they would. He said that they -might-. Which is a fair evaluation. I guess it depends on how trusting you are.

Parallels can be draw with the Psi-Corp in Babylon 5. Humans always lock stuff away that they're afraid of, unfortunately.

[ObserverStatus]

Yes, and the maker tells Hawke that he hates mages.

[ReallyRue]

The Maker, probably.
The Chantry, no.

I'm hoping my Hawke can believe that Andraste was a badass mage and that the Chantry is just twisting her words to make it sound like the Maker supports their subjugation of mages.

Modifié par ReallyRue, 03 mars 2011 - 09:13 .

[phantomdragoness]

ReallyRue wrote...

The Maker, probably.
The Chantry, no.

I'm hoping my Hawke can believe that Andraste was a badass mage and that the Chantry is just twisting her words to make it sound like the Maker supports their subjugation of mages.

This...100% this.

[Lord Gremlin]

Nope. My mage won't believe in "maker". What she would believe in is that every templar can be squashed if Crushing Prison is applied at appropriate time.