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[CannotCompute]

This is a perfect example of why we need ME1's Persuasion skill back.

Bah... So aggraviting.

[Rompa87]

Mwhah? What is the situation where you can't pick Morinth?

[ThisIsMadness91]

Is it a New Game Plus? I've read that speech checks are a lot higher than if it's a fresh playthrough.

Yeah, I agree that the original Charm/Intimidate skills need to be brought back. As I've said in the past, it's unfair how Renegades have an easy time getting the info out of Elias Kelham during Thane's loyalty mission, while Paragons have to take his **** (and even some of the lawyer's) before getting what they need.

[Vyse_Fina]

huh?
Deciding whether you want Morinth or Samara isn't based on any stat at all as far as I can remember. You just pick an option and that's it.
Apart from that I think that Bioware should ditch the whole paragon/renegade point system entirely. Situations like these where you need X amount of points to have a certain option make you always decide things based on "what gives me the points I need" rather than "what would I do in this situation"

[CannotCompute]

I just don't get the option to pick Morinth during the battle scene. Probably because I didn't pick every available Renegade choice in the game. It's a bit frustrating.

[CannotCompute]

ThisIsMadness91 wrote...

Is it a New Game Plus? I've read that speech checks are a lot higher than if it's a fresh playthrough.

Yeah, I agree that the original Charm/Intimidate skills need to be brought back. As I've said in the past, it's unfair how Renegades have an easy time getting the info out of Elias Kelham during Thane's loyalty mission, while Paragons have to take his **** (and even some of the lawyer's) before getting what they need.

No, it's not a New Game+ It's just another fresh ME1 import.

[MuLepton]

Vyse_Fina wrote...

huh?
Deciding whether you want Morinth or Samara isn't based on any stat at all as far as I can remember. You just pick an option and that's it.

You need to have a certain level of renegade/paragon (either works) to be able to ger the option. If you are below that level, you're stuck with Samara.

[Rivercurse]

Actually its got nothing to do with your TOTAL AMOUNT of renegade points at all. It's to do with the number of times youve taken renegade points when they were on offer. If that percentage is high enough, you get the option. If its not, you wont.

[CannotCompute]

^ I know. But it's still a bad thing to implement.

Question: Do you get Renegade points for the final choice in the game? Can't remember (can't spoil too much here, but you know what I mean)

Modifié par CannotCompute, 03 mars 2011 - 03:09 .

[Smeelia]

Vyse_Fina wrote...

Apart from that I think that Bioware should ditch the whole paragon/renegade point system entirely. Situations like these where you need X amount of points to have a certain option make you always decide things based on "what gives me the points I need" rather than "what would I do in this situation"

I kind of agree with that, I think Dragon Age does better as a result (and Bioware have shown a willingness to learn from what works in their other games).  I expect it'll stay till ME3 though since it's been in so far.

I do think that a skill points system for persuasion (similar to ME1, though without the requirements might be good) is better, even if it means sacrificing combat ability I'd still do it for the chance to talk my way out of situations, shout at people and so on.

CannotCompute wrote...

Question: Do you get Renegade points for the final choice in the game? Can't remember (can't spoil too much here, but you know what I mean)

Apparently you do get points for either choice.

Getting more points is unlikely to help since doing new missions and visiting new areas puts you even further behind on persuasion and even if you get every point in that area it wont help you catch up.  If you can get points in an area you've been to though that could work (the hubs or on the Normandy, for example).  I'm not 100% sure of the exact details of what it counts as your maximum potential points in an area so it's possible you could get ground back but from what I've heard it seems unlikely.  The best option for gaining points is to respec to the 100% bonus talent if you haven't got that already, that might be the only thing that could help.

[merrick97]

I played as a perfect paragon and had the option to save morinth or samara. The first time I saved morinth since she had the dominate bonus power and then i saved samara since she was the better squadmate.

[CannotCompute]

^ I did every possible mission that can get you Paragon/Renegade points. So my only hope left is the Suicide Mission choice

I left Grunt in the tank, so I could get him out and get some more points during conversations with him. Too bad there isn't a Renegade solution to his Loyalty mission though...

Btw, does NOT killing the Maw give you Renegade points (don't think so, but just asking)?

[Ty2011]

I was only 5% renegade and like 80% paragon and I had the option to pick Morinth.. I don't think Renegade has anything to do with it. It might just be a bug.

[ZeroDotZero]

As far as I know you need 60% in either to pass the check right before Samara comes in. If you pass the check, you get the choice.

[Smeelia]

CannotCompute wrote...

^ I did every possible mission that can get you Paragon/Renegade points. So my only hope left is the Suicide Mission choice

I left Grunt in the tank, so I could get him out and get some more points during conversations with him. Too bad there isn't a Renegade solution to his Loyalty mission though...

Btw, does NOT killing the Maw give you Renegade points (don't think so, but just asking)?

Releasing Grunt could work, you get a lot of opportunity to shout at him and it's possible the potential points for him are already counted against your total.  Still, you'd need to do missions to activate his speeches and make sure to do every Renegade option on any missions you do.

Not killing the Thresher Maw just gives reduced points to both, you get the same to both either way (just 2 for surviving and 15 for killing I think) so not killing the Thresher Maw always makes persuasion harder I suppose.

[Biotic_Warlock]

You need 100% to resist morinth just before.
Once you select red or blue you can choose jsut after:

Morinth: "I'm as strong as she is, let me join you"

Samara: "I'm already sworn to help you, Shepard"

[The_Wonder_of_Thedas]

Biotic_Warlock wrote...

You need 100% to resist morinth just before.
Once you select red or blue you can choose jsut after:

Morinth: "I'm as strong as she is, let me join you"

Samara: "I'm already sworn to help you, Shepard"

Would be more convincing if Morinth said she was much stronger than her mother, as opposed to being as strong.

But then again, if she were indeed stronger, they wouldn't be locked in a stalemate.

[ThisIsMadness91]

Vyse_Fina wrote...

Situations like these where you need X amount of points to have a certain option make you always decide things based on "what gives me the points I need" rather than "what would I do in this situation"

Quoted for truth. There are several Renegade interrupts that I wouldn't normally do were it not for the fact that Intimidate now requires you to be a jerk throughout the game rather than just a convincing actor.

Modifié par ThisIsMadness91, 04 mars 2011 - 02:32 .

[Smeelia]

ThisIsMadness91 wrote...

Vyse_Fina wrote...

Situations like these where you need X amount of points to have a certain option make you always decide things based on "what gives me the points I need" rather than "what would I do in this situation"

Quoted for truth. There are several Renegade interrupts that I wouldn't normally do were it not for the fact that Intimidate now requires you to be a jerk throughout the game rather than just a convincing actor.

There are a couple of situations where you can skip an interrupt and get a persuasion option, I don't think you lose out on points for those (since you could usually only get 5 either way).  Unfortunately, there are only about three or four of these and, of course, you need the points in the first place to use the follow up persuasion option (those 5 points you missed on the interrupt could even be just enough to prevent it).

[Fixers0]

It depends on your level, the lower you are the less it will take to unlock dialogue options.

[Smeelia]

Fixers0 wrote...

It depends on your level, the lower you are the less it will take to unlock dialogue options.

I don't think level is a factor itself, although if you're a lower level then you'll have encountered less situations and so you wont be as far behind.

Modifié par Smeelia, 04 mars 2011 - 03:33 .

[Fixers0]

Smeelia wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

It depends on your level, the lower you are the less it will take to unlock dialogue options.

I don't think level is a factor itself, although if you're a lower level then you'll have encountered less situations and so you wont be as far behind.

No, a higher level will require a higher amount of paragon/renegade points to unlock options, for example if you do LOTSB before the SM, the amount of Points required to convince Vasir to let the hostage go is much lower then if you would do it after te SM.

[A.J. Ross]

merrick97 wrote...

I played as a perfect paragon and had the option to save morinth or samara. The first time I saved morinth since she had the dominate bonus power and then i saved samara since she was the better squadmate.

This is what I did. I was pure Paragon, with the exception of a few Renegade interrupts that didn't disable Paragon ones, and I had the option to choose Morinth over Samara.

[AlexMBrennan]

No, a higher level will require a higher amount of paragon/renegade points to unlock options

That is incorrect - see [2] link for full details. To see this you could e.g. compare a NG+ Shepard with a newly created character.

Modifié par AlexMBrennan, 04 mars 2011 - 06:27 .

[OrlesianWardenCommander]

Ok I'm going too explain this, say your a vanguard when you upgrade your conversation, damage ,and rechage bouns too full you get the option of destroyer witch is the first choice or champion witch is the bottom choice in order too use some locked charm options you must choose the bottom class upgrade ALWAYS.