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[Raisatihane]

Renegade - u need to full that "bar" up to that 4th little line and "red" option will become accessible. Done that with 2 chars, works for me. Paragon is 2 ez even describe...

[Zack56]

It's actually quite easy. I can even do it without doing any renegade thing up to that point. The thing is, when you are searching Nef's room (Morinths last interest) you need to activate all 3 of her diary entries as they contain info like the password to the back of afterlife and a drug called hallix. you also need to search the room for a note from morinth talking about an Elcor artist named Forta. When you have that, go to the VIP section of afterlife. To get in, drop the name Jaruut (last entry of diary). To get Morinth's attention, there are several things you can do but I'll explane the easy ones.

Just after entering the door, a guy will bug you about tickets to a band called Expel 10. ASK ABOUT THE BAND. You need that for Morinth, after that, do as you like with him (I just threaten to whack him so he runs).

Next, Go to the center of the area with that pink holographic column and you'll see a Turian harassing an Asari dancer. Rough him up.

Third, walk over to the bar and convince the bartender to pass out a free round of drinks to the crowd.

Morinth should have walked up to you by now so on to her conversation.

The first conversation wheel you want to say your alike with eachother.
On the next wheel, don't mention Justicars or family as they will send her running.

Go to music first, Mention Expel 10 (from the stupid fan at the door) and in the same conversation mention Hallex.
Second, Talk about art, mention the artist Forta (note in Nef's room) and in the same conversation mention Vaenia (Nef's diary).
Finally, Talk about travel and say you like the danger and in the same conversation say that power is it's own reward.

Morinth will now take you to her appartment.

When talking to Morinth either pick "Safety is a lie" (Paragon) or No (Renegade). Second wheel, either say "Were not alike" (paragon) or "I'm the stronger" (Renegade). Third wheel, say either "Suprize" (Paragon) or "You screwed up" (Renegade). Samara will walk in, fight, and lead to you choosing between mother and daughter.

If you follow this description, You will be able to choose between mother and daughter. If not, sorry to say but you fail.


I just realized that all of that was just from memory. I need to play something else for a while...

Modifié par Zack56, 04 mars 2011 - 07:48 .

[AlexMBrennan]

I can even do it without doing any renegade thing up to that point

No (Renegade) [...] "I'm the stronger" (Renegade) [...] "You screwed up" (Renegade)

I sense a contradiction...

[Volus Warlord]

Perhaps it is for the best?

It is very difficult to get that score high enough.

[Gentleman Moogle]

I had this same problem with the Jack v Miranda fight. After some searching around, I found out that the way Bioware programmed it, the game doesn't have a counter that checks how many paragon points you have, it has a counter that checks how many points you COULD have, then uses that to unlock the dialog options based on how many you have vs. how many you could have.

In other words, if you have 75 points in para, and you're at a point in the game where you could only have gotten 100, the game thinks you have 75% paragon and will unlock many options. If, however, you have 500 para points and you could have gotten 1500 by this point, the game thinks you only have 33% paragon, and will not unlock a lot of options.

It was at this point that I got pissed off and edited my save to increase my para points.

I highly recommend it. Does wonders for your blood pressure.

[Bluko]

CannotCompute wrote...

This is a perfect example of why we need ME1's Persuasion skill back.

Bah... So aggraviting.

Umm you should always be able to pick Morinth.

Unless you had neither Charm/Intimidate options. Still you should have one of those options, as the checks for them aren't that high as I recall. Sounds more like a bug to me, especially if you're near the 90% Renegade mark.

And for the last time there is no difference between ME1's and ME2's persuasion system. In ME1 you need to get either Paragon/Renegade points before you can unlock additional Charm/Intimidate slots. The only difference is in ME1 you manually spend points to unlock the options. In ME2  they are simply given to you more or less based on the points you've accumulated. You either have enough or you don't.

It's not any different, it's just that it still sucks. There's a number of scenarios in ME1 where it is just as bad. Try to Charm Jong on Feros if you don't believe me. Basically what it always comes down to is what your actual level is. If you aren't a high enough level you'll be SOL. If you want to be able to resolve the Miranda/Jack and the Tali/Legion fights you should hold off on their loyalty missions. Tali/Legion shouldn't be difficult since those are some of the last characters you get. Miranda/Jack I can understand, but as long as you wait to do one of their loyalty missions later you should be fine. Unless you're trying to Paragade which doesn't work, in either game. Sorry.

Modifié par Bluko, 04 mars 2011 - 10:16 .

[AlexMBrennan]

And for the last time there is no difference between ME1's and ME2's persuasion system.

OK, I'm totally going to take your word for this; the developers ([2] link) are clearly wrong here.

In ME1 persuasion checks require #points in persuasion, which is in turn unlocked when you get a certain number of of paragon/renegade points - i.e. best to do difficult checks late
In ME2 persuasion checks require a certain percentage of paragon/renegade point of the total that one could have picked up - i.e. best to do difficult checks early

Modifié par AlexMBrennan, 04 mars 2011 - 10:26 .

[Seboist]

What's weird about the whole Morinth recruitment thing is that my pure Paragon shep had the option to pick her but not my paragade shep that had a higher renegade meter.

[Pwener2313]

Everyone should do the Paragon/Renegade glitch. My Shepard has both bars maxed.

[Praetor Knight]

Bluko wrote...

Try to Charm Jong on Feros if you don't believe me.

That dude takes 12 paragon and 10 renegade. I have no idea why though, but it makes him one silly cookie=].

From morality guide, his is the "Speak with Refugees"

[88mphSlayer]

i think it's bugged out as i've been able to pick as a paragon but never as a renegade - both high level - both near 100% renegade or paragon but it never worked as renegade

oh well, still not as frustrating as the glitch on my 360 copy that completely skips tali's trial

Modifié par 88mphSlayer, 04 mars 2011 - 11:42 .

[DxWill10]

just pick everything renegade, and go do samara's recruitment asap. you should definitely have her if you do this, even if you had some paragon thrown in

[DxWill10]

Raisatihane wrote...

Renegade - u need to full that "bar" up to that 4th little line and "red" option will become accessible. Done that with 2 chars, works for me. Paragon is 2 ez even describe...

actually the level of the bar is irrelevent and somewhat misleading.  its possible to have a full renegade bar and not be able to persuade morinth.  its entirely based on percentages.  it divides the number of renegade points you have by the total amount of renegade points that have been possible in your game thus far. 

[Manic Sheep]

Have you been clearing hubs properly? The system is how many points you have vs how many you could potentially have had by this point. Every time you land on a world all of the potential points in that area are added to the pool. You can be 100% ren and still fail checks.

Modifié par Manic Sheep, 05 mars 2011 - 05:21 .

[AngryFrozenWater]

You can use the Death Mask to increase your paragon/renegade scores by a bit. If you are close enough it helps to tip the balance in your favor.

Edit: One of your specializations also increases the scores. Respec when you need them, respec back afterwards?

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 05 mars 2011 - 06:16 .

[Zack56]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

I can even do it without doing any renegade thing up to that point

No (Renegade) [...] "I'm the stronger" (Renegade) [...] "You screwed up" (Renegade)

I sense a contradiction...

The renegade word choices still show up for me even though I can't use them.

It may just be because I'm using an ME1 transfer that had full paragon and renegade and before you ask, I used the Lorik Qui'in conversation glitch. It took 3 playthroughs to fill the Charm and Intimidate with the free points you get throuought the game and I did that 2 times.

Modifié par Zack56, 06 mars 2011 - 07:12 .

[CannotCompute]

Zack56 wrote...

The renegade word choices still show up for me even though I can't use them.

Yeah, I couldn't pick the final Renegade persuasion option. When you go and sit on the sofa next to Morinth, you have to be able to persuade 3 times in order to choose between Morinth and Samara.

Will give it another shot after the Suicide Mission (am gathering my final batch of Renegade points there).

Modifié par CannotCompute, 05 mars 2011 - 07:16 .

[PnXMarcin1PL]

I finished this game so many times that I know you need to select 100% paragon/renegade skill for a class and make sure you have totally maxxed out renegade bar.

[Canarith]

Biotic_Warlock wrote...

You need 100% to resist morinth just before.
Once you select red or blue you can choose jsut after:

Morinth: "I'm as strong as she is, let me join you"

Samara: "I'm already sworn to help you, Shepard"

This is wrong.  You always get the same text from the two of them.  However, having played through this game several times, I have only gotten the option to save Morinth once.  It happened when my Paragon bar was a tad more than half way past the 4th bar(anotherwords closer to the full point than the 4th bar).  The previous playthrough, I had done renegade, perhaps starting too late on it and, while ending up beyond the 4th bar, but not half way to the full point and did NOT have the option to save Morinth.  The one before that, when I wasn't even trying, it was a bit past the 3rd bar and in that one I did not have the option to save Morinth.  

Believe it or not though, this check is not the worst of all of them in trying to get the options.  If you screw up the Jack/Miranda interaction and lose the loyalty of Jack, you are screwed.  I had nearly a full paragon bar and the option to charm was grayed out.

Finally, it is not just missions that will give you renegade/paragon.  Talking to each merchant for a discount can give you renegade or paragon, depending on which path you have taken and which option is available.  Each merchant you "convince" to give you a lower price will grant you 5 renegade/paragon.  Also, talking to the crew members you recruit before their loyalty mission will give you another 2 points each.

[Canarith]

DxWill10 wrote...

just pick everything renegade, and go do samara's recruitment asap. you should definitely have her if you do this, even if you had some paragon thrown in

You cannot avoid having some paragon.  You get some from finishing a mission and sometimes there is no actualy renegade option.  It is only important that you choose the renegade option over the paragon option when it is available.

As far as the bar and the % versus total argument, I would have to see some proof of that.  The only playthrough I did where I got beyond the 50% point between the fourth line on the meter and the end, I got the final option, which means you can save Morinth.  The previous playthrough, when I was renegade and had above the fourth line, but not half way to the 5th line, I did not get the option.

Simply put you can do it as paragon or Renegade, even though choosing Morinth is the renegade option(it will net you 45 renegade points), but you must always choose the paragon choice if you are heading that way or the renegade choice if you are heading that way if there is a choice to make between the two.

[2kgnsiika]

The threshold depends on how late you do the mission. If you do late, you might even need more than than full bar to resist her powers. Although there are a few exploits in the game, the best way to get enough P/R points is to import a Shepard from ME1.

[CannotCompute]

Just did the Suicide Mission to get the last possible Renegade points. I ended up having a little over 90% Renegade points and went back to try Samara's loyalty mission again...

Success! I got to pick Morinth. You definitely need to be able to resist Morinth 3 times (using Paragon/Renegade dialogue options) when sitting next to her on the sofa. It definitely seems that, if you do this loyalty mission very late in the game, you need >90% Paragon/Renegade points to even get the opportunity to kill Samara.

Modifié par CannotCompute, 06 mars 2011 - 04:26 .

[zer0netgain]

I thought the whole deal was odd.

I find that if you go Paragon, the option come up with ease, but going Renegade, I almost had to have max to get the option. Let's face it, why would a Paragon choose Morinth over Samara? They should have made the option easier to unlock so that you could be more balanced and have the choice to go one way or another without being out of character.

[AlexMBrennan]

why would a Paragon choose Morinth over Samara?

There's probably a thread for that discussion. My favourite is that Morinth is overtly evil - she kills people, enjoys it but at least doesn't gloat about being morally right; one could argue that Morinth is mentally (and physically) ill rather than intentionally evil.
Samara, on the other hand, is overly self-righteous while killing people (law enforcement officers, people collecting firewood, etc) left and right because her "code" says so without ever explaining why everything she believes is necessarily a true fact just because she thinks it is.

Modifié par AlexMBrennan, 08 mars 2011 - 08:25 .