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[moilami]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

I loved that interview. David didn't say anything scary that we didn't already know, and the way he said it I found quite heartening.

Well, it was good to read official BW statement regarding stuff. I will myself go "back in time" and enjoy of the little bit different change and later enjoy of modern games with the price I perceive is suitable. So.

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Banhammer invocation by Spamhammer. 

Eschalon. No romances, sucky graphics, no voices, but plenty of room for imagination and adventure. Haha!

[VanDraegon]

I wish they had asked him for a hint on how many years the story of Thedas will play out.

[moilami]

JohnEpler wrote...

Alright folks. I know some of you enjoy feeling smugly superior, but let's avoid using terms such as 'ADD' and 'addled' to describe those who view RPGs differently than you do.

If you'd like to see examples of how to disagree with the direction of DA2 without unnecessary condescension, there are examples in this very thread.

I have to say I hate that "ur just want to be superior" when I want to have challenge in games and be superior.  And by then, yes, I really enjoy feeling elite and superior preferably with a group of  superior elite people. However even by then I enjoy more of a challenge to meet other group of superior elite people instead of facerollable roflstompable noobs.

That is bad, it seems. Better just have illusions of superiority by facerolling moronical trash mobs. Much better! True superiority is so evil and bad! And none wants to be elite!

Oh maker, do something. Tell me Bell Curve is a lie!

[John Epler]

moilami wrote...

JohnEpler wrote...

Alright folks. I know some of you enjoy feeling smugly superior, but let's avoid using terms such as 'ADD' and 'addled' to describe those who view RPGs differently than you do.

If you'd like to see examples of how to disagree with the direction of DA2 without unnecessary condescension, there are examples in this very thread.

I have to say I hate that "ur just want to be superior" when I want to have challenge in games and be superior.  And by then, yes, I really enjoy feeling elite and superior preferably with a group of  superior elite people. However even by then I enjoy more of a challenge to meet other group of superior elite people instead of facerollable roflstompable noobs.

That is bad, it seems. Better just have illusions of superiority by facerolling moronical trash mobs. Much better! True superiority is so evil and bad! And none wants to be elite!

Oh maker, do something. Tell me Bell Curve is a lie!

Once again. If you want to say 'I prefer this type of gameplay because of these reasons, and DA2 doesn't contain the sort of gameplay I want' then great! That's good discussion and gives people something to address.

If you want to talk about how much better you are than others because of the sorts of games you play, or if you want to throw labels on other groups because they don't enjoy what you do, then no, that's not acceptable. Perhaps you find this unfair. That is unfortunate, but it's still not something we tolerate on these forums.

[kaiki01]

Seeing the picture of David Gaider was odd. As in my mind's eye he looks more like Alan Moore with an epic English beard.

[moilami]

distinguetraces wrote...

moilami wrote...
Tell me Bell Curve is a lie!

Bell Curve is a methodologically sloppy, self-serving, hypocritical distortion of other people's data, but not a conscious lie.

I thought it was statistics.

[Rockpopple]

Nice interview. Pretty standard, but good to get that info out there.

I think it's great that Bioware tries to get new rpg gamers into the fold. Look, I'm a console player, played consoles all my life. I've been playing JRPGs since FF1 on the NES. Never heard of Bioware before Dragon Age: Origins. I was never that much into PC games and definitely not into PC RPGS. I found them too open-ended and kinda stuffy. I loved the hell out of Dragon Age: Origins, and it's opened the world of PC/Western-style RPGs to me.

Do I want more people like me, who never gave Western or PC RPGs a chance? Hell yes. I think that's a great thing. To all you elitists out there who've been playing PC RPGs since the 70s who think they're so much better than all the console plebeians out there and how dare they sully their precious RPGs, I have two words for ya:

Tut-tut.

[NRO TYN]

any spoilers in there ?!

Dont wanna read if it has any

Modifié par II That Burn In Ya Ass II, 03 mars 2011 - 09:40 .

[Merced652]

II That Burn In Ya Ass II wrote...

any spoilers in there ?!

Dont wanna read if it has any

No, just Gaider ****ing on the PC players.

[NRO TYN]

Merced652 wrote...

II That Burn In Ya Ass II wrote...

any spoilers in there ?!

Dont wanna read if it has any

No, just Gaider ****ing on the PC players.

lol thnx

[LdyShayna]

Rockpopple wrote...
Do I want more people like me, who never gave Western or PC RPGs a chance? Hell yes. I think that's a great thing. To all you elitists out there who've been playing PC RPGs since the 70s who think they're so much better than all the console plebeians out there and how dare they sully their precious RPGs, I have two words for ya:

Hmmm...good thing you were so very specific in those people you were tut-tutting.  Now I can be relieved that you sympathize with those who merely have a different taste in games than you, and are seeing those games eliminated rather than being allowed even a niche market.  Huzzah!

[moilami]

Rockpopple wrote...

Nice interview. Pretty standard, but good to get that info out there.

I think it's great that Bioware tries to get new rpg gamers into the fold. Look, I'm a console player, played consoles all my life. I've been playing JRPGs since FF1 on the NES. Never heard of Bioware before Dragon Age: Origins. I was never that much into PC games and definitely not into PC RPGS. I found them too open-ended and kinda stuffy. I loved the hell out of Dragon Age: Origins, and it's opened the world of PC/Western-style RPGs to me.

Do I want more people like me, who never gave Western or PC RPGs a chance? Hell yes. I think that's a great thing. To all you elitists out there who've been playing PC RPGs since the 70s who think they're so much better than all the console plebeians out there and how dare they sully their precious RPGs, I have two words for ya:

Tut-tut.

Lol tut-tut. That was well said!

But from what you get that impression that liking complex or difficult games would be elitist? Or saving the world should be ez or else it is elitism? Or asking for fights where you get the illusion you actually were in danger to die would be elitist? Or not fancying gung-fu animations in a game what is supposed to be immersive would be elitist?

[Morroian]

Canadish wrote...


 Same reaction here
The facts about DA2 suggest to me that its not "The next level of RPG's" but Bioware transitioning into a more profitable Action-RPG genre. Which pleases the the Suits at EA Marketing.
Its sad, but life will go on. Who knows, maybe this will open Call of Duty Meatheads (I like that game before someone says anything btw <_<) to the RPG idea. Maybe by Dragon Age 3/4 the old features will be reintroduced, with the Freshers hailing them as wonderful innovations!
Maybe anyway...

Well in terms of character interaction, storytelling and characterisation they are being innovative.

[MadLaughter]

Even though I am no fan of elitism, I dislike Bioware telling people to stop being smugly condescending when a few employees that post here are masters of this very vice.

Modifié par MadLaughter, 03 mars 2011 - 10:18 .

[In Exile]

moilami wrote...
But from what you get that impression that liking complex or difficult games would be elitist? Or saving the world should be ez or else it is elitism? Or asking for fights where you get the illusion you actually were in danger to die would be elitist? Or not fancying gung-fu animations in a game what is supposed to be immersive would be elitist?

DA2 is not simplified from a mechanic standpoint, with the only exception being the reduction in FF.

First of all, nightmare introduces many features that DA:O lacked that a "complex" gamer would appreciate - bleeding at 10% of health, injuries locking off 20% of your max health (and they're additive!) with a max of 4 injures/character and 80% health cut-off, significant enemy resistances, FF on melee...

As someone who "roll-plays" as much as "role-plays" I don't think it's at all justifiable to say DA2 is not complex.

[panamakira]

I liked this interview a lot. It's like Mr. Gaider was reading a "Dear Fan" letter to all the people whining around here.

They react to any perceived change as bad. Anything that potentially means that they're not being catered to specifically, they react badly at.

Ding, ding, ding!!!

Modifié par panamakira, 03 mars 2011 - 10:50 .

[Foxkit182]

Ok, I'm probably going to be jumped on and ridiculed in a matter of seconds, but I feel I want to weigh in here. I started out very skeptical about the changes to DA2, having absolutely adored the first one. But the more information I've heard about it, the more I'm excited to see it in action.

I, personally, feel that some of the changes, although I wasn't real keen on them at first, will be a major improvement. I've played Bioware games for years, but primarily as a console player. I prefer the ease of control on the consoles, and find PC Gaming too complicated for my tastes. But I also firmly believe that RPG's are my genre. The truth is, though, there are a lot of aspects I dislike about the RPG genre too. Stats and over attention to character creation being the main one. I'm very picky with the games I play. I want lots of story, fascinating characters, romance and the ability to get lost in a world not like here. But I get bored having to slog through pages and pages of customization before I even get started and often quit before the game even begins. For that reason, I haven't played very many RPG's past a few hours. Bioware is the only developer whose games I actually finish, and that's because they don't make me spend hours customizing. I'm actually excited to see what it's like with the customization coming after you've gotten a chance to decide who you want your Hawke to be, rather than at the beginning when you have no idea how you'll play.

I think sometimes people can be a little hard on Bioware for trying to accomodate two vastly different worlds--PC and Console. I don't think there's anything wrong with trying to draw in new fans; that'll just result in more sales, which will turn into more resources given to them, which means more titles for us. So I'm all for it. No matter what Bioware does, I'll stay loyal, because I know that the things I love them for--fantastic storytelling, rich worlds, and character depth--will be present in anything they put out, even if the game mechanics change drastically from title to title.

Now that's out of my system, go ahead, rip me to shreds and call me a fangirl.

[Buffy-Summers]

I hope my opinion is not too bad that it will be erased

But that article, that persons opinion is the reason why PC gaming and RPG gaming is an endangered genre


Imagine if a developer had said this "They react to any perceived change as bad. Anything that potentially means that they're not being catered to specifically, they react badly"

about the fans they are catering too. There would be a revolution

It saddens me that im not in the favored group of people

[moilami]

panamakira wrote...

I liked this interview a lot. It's like Mr. Gaider was reading a "Dear Fan" letter to all the people whining around here.

They react to any perceived change as bad. Anything that potentially means that they're not being catered to specifically, they react badly at.

Ding, ding, ding!!!

Man, there is no words how much I would lol if BW would had done HC Elitist cRPG of DA2. Actually they should had done that because fanboys would be happy with everything BW does and HC Elitist gamers would had got what they want. Is that not a win-win situation Or wait, could it be so that people who criticise would had just changed? Food for thought.

Edit: And when casuals would had begun to complain saying "we want it ez and when I press a buttonsomething awesome must happen" the devs would had just made it harder HAHAHAHAHA.

Modifié par moilami, 03 mars 2011 - 10:57 .

[Emyer]

DN: Take us behind the scenes of the development process.
When do you break all this down? And do you ever fear losing a certain
sect of gamers with a too-focused experience?

Gaider: You decide right at the beginning. We sit out and talk about vision.
What is the experience that we want? The thing I always find is fans –
God love 'em – they enjoy what they enjoy.  A lot of them have this
idea that a game can be all things to all RPG fans.


You can try. You can try to please everyone. But what probably is
going to happen is you're not going to do each aspect well. What you're
going to wind up doing is disappointing everybody. So we stay focused.

I find this answer kinda funny in a way, since for me it's what I feel is happening to Dragon Age 2, by trying to please both their target demographic(The more mainstream crowd, GTA, CoD and so on) and please their hardcore fans the game ended up in this in-between that fails to fully please anyone, the action will not please those that love pure blood action games, since it lacks the combat depth and resposiveness those games usually have and the stremlined RPG elements will put off the most hardcore crowd, to me it just feels like something's off, I can't quite put my finger on it though.

Edit: Can't take off the bold

Modifié par Emyer, 03 mars 2011 - 11:07 .

[didymos1120]

moilami wrote...

distinguetraces wrote...

moilami wrote...
Tell me Bell Curve is a lie!

Bell Curve is a methodologically sloppy, self-serving, hypocritical distortion of other people's data, but not a conscious lie.

I thought it was statistics.

When you needlessly capitalize it like that, people assume it's a proper noun, and consequently think you're referring to the book of that title.  Especially given the "I'm superior!" context of your post.

[moilami]

didymos1120 wrote...

moilami wrote...

distinguetraces wrote...

moilami wrote...
Tell me Bell Curve is a lie!

Bell Curve is a methodologically sloppy, self-serving, hypocritical distortion of other people's data, but not a conscious lie.

I thought it was statistics.

When you needlessly capitalize it like that, people assume it's a proper noun, and consequently think you're referring to the book of that title.  Especially given the "I'm superior!" context of your post.

Lol I did not even know that kind of book exist.

"The Bell Curve contains 941 pages in the first printing and 879 in the revised paperback."

Sup? Has anyone really read that book 


Edit: My reference to Bell Curve was a pun saying there most probably exists some kind of distribution of players which can be desribed with Bell Curve (not the book but with the math) regarding how many want more difficult, immersive, and challenging games. So talking about "they refuse to understand" is just looking down at them.

Modifié par moilami, 03 mars 2011 - 11:25 .

[RohanD]

FellowerOfOdin wrote...

Gaider: We're taking RPGs to the next level.

Oh gods.

official lols

Modifié par RohanD, 03 mars 2011 - 11:12 .