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[Daddy555]

there is no reason a rpg needs to be a overcomplicated slow mess bioware do a great job of implimenting amazing storytelling a action if you do not like gameplay been faster paced and fun then ...well thats just odd to be honest lol

[Dubya75]

I agree with OP.

[AlanC9]

errant_knight wrote...

Heh, well, I knew they had to be making it for someone. Just not me. I'm sure that for every person like me who really dislikes the gameplay, etc, they'll pick up others. I doubt we'll ever see another game that I like as well as DA:O.

You sure? Without precisely knowing what you liked about DAO that won't be in DA2, I don't see why something like DAO wouldn't be feasible as an indie production. Moving down from AAA level might even help, since it rules out flashy animations and VO.

[TokerMate]

I like DA2 as well, I had no "what is this bull-" moments in the Demo (Not including the running movements lol) and I have not read any complaints that I really agree with or that matter to me. I think I will still see origins as better but only because I like longer games more (this depends on the quality of the game aswell) and I heard the sequel is cut in half but meh.. Maybe this game will be better? We will have to wait and see.

Modifié par TokerMate, 03 mars 2011 - 05:29 .

[Ealdred]

 You took the words right out of my head. I feel the same way. 

IS IT OUT YET?! 

[Dubya75]

Azrailx wrote...

if thats true op, i wish u were never born

and i doubt this game will earn many new fans, if u like rpgs u like them, if u dont u dont

Because YOU say so? How about not liking old school RPGs but then liking DA2. Is that not possible? If your answer is no, then sadly you'd be wrong.

[magicwins]

Well, must be great to be you!

Personally, I really really want this game to be better than Origins, but I've already shifted my 'really looking forward to' attitude to Batman: AC and Assassin's Creed Brotherhood (PC). I learned that my new favourite genre is third-person action-adventure with RPG elements.

I appreciate what they're trying to do with DA2, but disagree with a few too many design decisions.

[Merced652]

Idunno i love me some 64 player bf2 but hate MW2 and black ops. The first Modern Warfare i liked because like the BF series you could rock out in 64 player servers. Then MW2 and black ops obliterated that because of.. because of... wait for it... wait wait.. Consoles.

[mopotter]

I'm looking forward to it.

I've never found a "perfect" game (not even Baldur's Gate) unless you do it yourself. So far BioWare is still at the top of my list of developers who makes games I find interesting and fun to play. Who knows, someday that may change, but for now I'll be playing DA2 and pre-ordering ME3.

[Dubya75]

In the end all the drama queens will also play DA2 and they'll probably love it. When DA3 comes around the cycle of hating change and progress will continue...

[Celtic Latino]

I feel the same way OP. : )

I loved Origins, don't get me wrong. But they fixed a lot of what I didn't like about Origins, such as lack of party member customization and useless party member talents (need we mention Morrigan and her Shapeshifter abilities or starting attributes for Alistair/Sten?). Now I feel we can get through the game with a variety of builds (such as Carver/Fenris being a tank and Bethany as a healer, for example) instead of being forced with every character in a certain niche. I also feel we will be able to have our parties as we WANT versus who we are forced to take.

The voiced protagonist is the best thing that happened. It's what makes Mass Effect, even after over a dozen playthroughs, still replayable, because it feels so immersive and lively. Origins, KOTOR, and Jade Empire are all wonderful games, but you find yourself skipping dialogue after so many playthroughs because of the fact that it feels so static.

I never doubted DA2 for a moment. I don't mind being human (dwarves and elves were fun in Origins...but I always prefer human), we can still tailor how Hawke looks (otherwise I might have had an issue...since i don't play default/iconic poster characters), and we have all three classes to boot. Plus...a lot of the options that were taken were replaced with a much more personal experience, and isn't that what ROLE-PLAYING games are all about?

I don't need to continue 'the Warden's' story. It was over when the archdemon died. I'm ready for a new hero/heroine now. I like playing a new hero each time in a different time era, different part of the game's universe.

Sure I wish my party members could wear the same armors (if only to put clothes on Isabela and my man Hawke to rock Fenris' awesome elven armor) and that we can choose their weapon styles, but if those sacrifices mean a better experience overall, I'm willing to take that. I can understand the naysayers concerns and complaints, but that's what games like Baldur's Gate 2 and Origins are there for. People who enjoy those games are welcome to continue to play those games.

On a side note- They've made mages PLAYABLE for me. I hated mages in Origins. They were overtly necessary, and since I didn't want a PC mage, I was stuck with Morrigan...and Wynne (esp on the PC version, console was more lenient about your party). Now I can enjoy a mage because they don't stand there with their 'pew-pew' attack.

[IndigoWolfe]

Marionetten wrote...

Yep. I'm sure that the Call of Duty fanbase will be on this like white on rice.

... Or maybe they'll just turn their eyes to Battlefield 3.

I have a question for you; who isn't a member of the Call Of Duty fanbase these days? It's like saying someone's a member of the Coke fanbase.

Games are not mutually exclusive.

[TwistedComplex]

Azrailx wrote...

if thats true op, i wish u were never born

and i doubt this game will earn many new fans, if u like rpgs u like them, if u dont u dont

[Merced652]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

Marionetten wrote...

Yep. I'm sure that the Call of Duty fanbase will be on this like white on rice.

... Or maybe they'll just turn their eyes to Battlefield 3.

I have a question for you; who isn't a member of the Call Of Duty fanbase these days? It's like saying someone's a member of the Coke fanbase.

Games are not mutually exclusive.

Well its more complicated than that, i'm of the group that can play CoD for its single player (yea all 3 hours of it) but don't engage in the social degradation that is online play via PSN or Xbox live. Not that CS was any better, but usually the BF series has been propped up online by huge online server communities that don't tolerate the bs.

[Raphael diSanto]

OP - YOU ARE NOT ALONE!

[PsychoBlonde]

Merced652 wrote...

Bluumberry wrote...

Raphael diSanto wrote...

I love RPGs, that's why I love DA2, because the streamlined inventory system and the new dialogue choices allowme to focus on the roleplaying. And not the roll-playing.

If inventory management is your idea of a good time, then i'm sure Wal-Mart has some openings for a stock manager in their local store.

QFT
I don't understand what is people's obsession with frustrating menus and managing inconsequential things.

Its not an obsession, more an aquired appreciation for subtle complexities. But yes by all means deride anyone who falls in to that camp.

I like to fiddle around with my character's gear, but I don't really like "inventory management".  When you have to manage your inventory, that means things like you have a severe weight limit and have to do things like make several trips out of the dungeon to go sell.  Ugh.

I'm always happy when I can accomplish two goals: get my character a decent set of gear and have her not look like a blind hobo.  The gear in Origins was so UGLY for the most part, it took a lot of the fun out of deciding what to wear.  That, and if it didn't come from the same set, it wouldn't match at all.  Mixing and matching is the best part of fussing with gear.

If they got rid of all the top-tier armor being that weird reddish-brown/purple color, I will be pleased.

[JediMB]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

I have a question for you; who isn't a member of the Call Of Duty fanbase these days? It's like saying someone's a member of the Coke fanbase.

Meh. Call of Duty isn't the sort of FPS that interests me. Sure, the original game from 2002 was fairly interesting at the time, but the series doesn't have that appeal to me any longer. I'd rather play something that isn't trying to be realistic.

*goes back to Doom 64 TC to shoot some more demons*

[bill4747bill]

Bluumberry wrote...

Raphael diSanto wrote...

I love RPGs, that's why I love DA2, because the streamlined inventory system and the new dialogue choices allowme to focus on the roleplaying. And not the roll-playing.

If inventory management is your idea of a good time, then i'm sure Wal-Mart has some openings for a stock manager in their local store.

QFT
I don't understand what is people's obsession with frustrating menus and managing inconsequential things.

I agree, but to play devil's advocate......Some degree of managing things might help to flesh out the game. I personally don't mind a little management, but if it is repetative management; I get annoyed.

Two things I hope to see in DA 2 (I have not seen the demo) are autolooting and 'rogue companion auto picks locks without having to swap to the companion and micromange it'    (like in neverwinter nights 2)


By the way,  DAO is far more similar to NWN2 than Baldurs gate. I like all of these games, but it seems strange to call DAO a succesor to BG when it is much closer to NWN2. 

Modifié par bill4747bill, 03 mars 2011 - 05:54 .

[TwistedComplex]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

Marionetten wrote...

Yep. I'm sure that the Call of Duty fanbase will be on this like white on rice.

... Or maybe they'll just turn their eyes to Battlefield 3.

I have a question for you; who isn't a member of the Call Of Duty fanbase these days? It's like saying someone's a member of the Coke fanbase.

Games are not mutually exclusive.

You might want to change that to Coke and Pepsi

You either like CoD or Battlefield

If you don't then you probably drink Mr. Pibb or something equally as obscure

[Bluumberry]

bill4747bill wrote...

Bluumberry wrote...

Raphael diSanto wrote...

I love RPGs, that's why I love DA2, because the streamlined inventory system and the new dialogue choices allowme to focus on the roleplaying. And not the roll-playing.

If inventory management is your idea of a good time, then i'm sure Wal-Mart has some openings for a stock manager in their local store.

QFT
I don't understand what is people's obsession with frustrating menus and managing inconsequential things.

I agree, but to play devil's advocate......Some degree of managing things might help to flesh out the game. I personally don't mind a little management, but if it is repetative management; I get annoyed.

Two things I hope to see in DA 2 (I have not seen the demo) are autolooting and 'rogue companion auto picks locks without having to swap to the companion and micromange it'    (like in neverwinter nights 2)


By the way,  DAO is far more similar to NWN2 than Baldurs gate. I like all of these games, but it seems strange to call DAO a succesor to BG when it is much closer to NWN2. 

Autolooting isn't instant, but at least on the PC the loot menu doesn't
take up the whole screen and it has/can have a hotkey assigned to it. A
very welcomed change.

[PhrosniteAgainROFL]

Marionetten wrote...

PhrosniteAgainROFL wrote...

As I said before, Bioware may lose some fans with DA2 but they will win WAY more new ones. In the end, this is what matters most. Video games like any other entertainment form is a business!

Yep. I'm sure that the Call of Duty fanbase will be on this like white on rice.

... Or maybe they'll just turn their eyes to Battlefield 3.

CoD fans and Battlefield fans are different. Sure some of them like both but when the next CoD comes out and BF3 comes out, don't expect 7 million BF3 copies in one day.




Also I agree with the thing someone said about the invetory stuff. The more time I spend on forums and such the more I realise most people think that long skill trees, loot, managing inventory and grind make a game RPG. This is why they bi*ch about ME2 calling it a 3rd person shooter and now DA2 an action game.
You people are misguided and I pity you. You clearly don't know what makes a game RPG.

Modifié par PhrosniteAgainROFL, 03 mars 2011 - 06:01 .

[Dr. Explosion]

TwistedComplex wrote...

Azrailx wrote...

if thats true op, i wish u were never born

and i doubt this game will earn many new fans, if u like rpgs u like them, if u dont u dont

that made me think of this The Onion article

[moilami]

Azrailx wrote...

im lazy

and do u take ever post on the internet to be serious, i was just choosing the snarky answer instead of the nice or mean speech wheel choices

lol'd

[LdyShayna]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

I have a question for you; who isn't a member of the Call Of Duty fanbase these days?

Me. 

Heh.  But your point stands - people have varying tastes, and some can overlap.  A shooter fan might like (say) turn-based strategy games or semi-real time story-based games too.