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[Astrolabe]

Sorry if you found my answer too in-depth...but that's viewing as from a sociological perspective. And in the marketing industry, it's a perspective that helps companies make the right decision as it's practically explaining why groups of people behave the way they do...

So, suffice to say, on the surface, it's as simple as you make it seem to be, but it gets more complicated.

You did add a good about completionists. I hadn't thought of those myself even though I'm sort of one. I just don't know what percentage of gamers consider themselves one or have the same habits. I just have a feeling that it might be less than the second group you mentioned.

[suliabryon]

Personally, I don't care about achievements. I console game for one reason only - I got tired of having to shell out hundreds to well over a thousand dollars every couple of years to upgrade my computer, just so I could play the latest game to come out. I did that for Morrowind, and then Oblivion, and then the DH and I got tired of dealing with the constant spyware and viruses, and switched to Mac. My gaming by default went to the Xbox, and I discovered I found it just as enjoyable with less hassle. I've never regretted it. I see what people mean about the controls, and remember my mouse and keyboard fondly. But not fondly enough to go back.

Anyway, I stick to RPGs and play online very little. Consequently, my gamerscore is very low, but I don't pay attention to that.

[Astrolabe]

suliabryon wrote...

Anyway, I stick to RPGs and play online very little. Consequently, my gamerscore is very low, but I don't pay attention to that.

Same =). RPGs are my favorite game genre and pretty much all I play. And yeah, I have a pretty low gamerscore also. The one thing I do find useful is that I can look at achievements and discover things that I've missed doing in the game. Not so much things like..."You have killed 1000 enemies!!" but things more content related like special sidequests and such.

Modifié par KnightHood00, 04 mars 2011 - 01:50 .

[Riknas]

Hrm, for all the massive posts I feel like I should have something longer, but really, I just agree with the OP, I feel like this is almost exactly what I've been waiting for.

[Rimfrost]

I'm very exited too. It just seems like it will be the next step in story telling. The part that impressed me about dragon age origins. DAO was the first game I can remember where I was speeding through combat to get to the next cut scene and dialog. I have a feeling da2 will have an even better told story.

[Manou1]

 I feel the same way 

[JohnstonMR]

Mecher3k wrote...

JohnstonMR wrote...

I'll somewhat agree to that, but in my opinion, once you move from that belief to the idea that anything you don't like in the game was done to "dumb it down" for console players, then you're both indulging in elitist BS and ignoring the many fairly complicated console-based RPGs that have existed for the last 20 years, as well as other games.  Hell, one of the most complicated control schemes I've ever seen was for an Xbox game that required me to buy a whole peripheral to play.  I miss that thing. 

Console dumbing down is a fact. We are talking about in a game that ****ing proves that. Just how stupid are you exactly?

Congratulations, you've now guaranteed that I won't take you seriously.  

[JohnstonMR]

Cuthlan wrote...

KnightHood00 wrote...

JohnstonMR wrote...

I just love the people who are concerned for not getting a stupid achievement/sticker. I play Xbox games all the time, and I regard the "achievements" as stupid at best. If you're playing a game so the machine can tell you you're good at it, what's the point?

Mmmm...Well, this is going to be somewhat complicated response but I don't think it's fair to judge people who like the whole system of getting achievements and such. The reason why is that this particular generation of gamers and most likely the generations that follow have been socialized to desire instantaneous response and praise.

Speaking on behalf of just the Americans (as I don't know how some things work in other countries), but ever since you were five or six years old, you've been fed achievements stickers [e.g. the "gold star" next to your name on the class roster]. Throughout your entire educational system, it's been a race, a competition, a contest to see who gets the most points. Whether it's through the GPA system, award certificates, or sports trophies, people are told that they need to achieve and that these symbolic items are critical to their lives. Not only is it a personal marker of success, it's also a marker of social status. Your parents use it to brag, you use it to impress your significant others, universities use them to judge your merits. 

Achievement is one of the social tenets of American culture. And I think that's why the trophy/achievement system in games has been so successful in the gaming industry. It gives you immediate feedback/praise for completing a task and it serves as a symbol of status for others to see. It's not the machine that a gamer cares about...it's every other person on their friend list who might or might not be subconsciously comparing themselves to the gamer. That is what the gaming industry is exploiting...

TLDR: Don't blame the player. Blame the entire cultural process of socialization in America.

Way to read WAAAY too much into that subject.

There are two types of people who like the achievements.

One type, like myself, is the "completionist". Collecting every weird item, doing every sidequest... doing everything possible related to the game to feel like we know it back-to-front. Achievements became part of this when they were introduced into our lives.

The other type is quite simple to understand. Achievements = Gamerscore = virtual penis measurement.

Agreed.  And I have no issue at all with you and players like you; I was mostly commenting on the poster above who was pissed off because he couldn't get an achievement that he could in the first game.  That's just weird, to me. 

[ALVIG824]

Randomjob wrote...

But for me, it seems like all the things that they decided to change in DA2 directly addressed my problems with DA:O.  

that was kinda the idea. they are a business after all they attempt to sell as much as possible. large groups are the most profitable and you fall into the majority. 

[Medet]

I've had my ups and downs in reaction to the changes from DA:O to DA2 but I believe I've settled into giddy anticipation.

I like the new art direction, I like the new combat stylization and pacing. The dialogue wheel seems fine, I'll miss companion armor customization but I've already pretty much gotten over it. The new companions seem unique and interesting. I have faith in BioWare in general (I've gotten 60+ hours on great entertainment out of each and every one of their games). And I absolutely love Lady Hawke's voicing.

Yeah, this game was made for me.

[Buffy-Summers]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

Buffy-Summers wrote...

Well congrats

Every change they made to please you killed my interest in the game

Im glad someone benefits from my genre being slashed to pieces

Angst much?

Well it doesnt seem like well reasoned arguments work, maybe some angst and guilt will, but im guessing if DA2 makes more then DAO nothing will work

[JohnstonMR]

suliabryon wrote...

Personally, I don't care about achievements. I console game for one reason only - I got tired of having to shell out hundreds to well over a thousand dollars every couple of years to upgrade my computer, just so I could play the latest game to come out. I did that for Morrowind, and then Oblivion, and then the DH and I got tired of dealing with the constant spyware and viruses, and switched to Mac. My gaming by default went to the Xbox, and I discovered I found it just as enjoyable with less hassle. I've never regretted it. I see what people mean about the controls, and remember my mouse and keyboard fondly. But not fondly enough to go back.

Anyway, I stick to RPGs and play online very little. Consequently, my gamerscore is very low, but I don't pay attention to that.

I'm about the same, except that I play more than RPGs.  But yeah, I switched to Mac for much the same reasons as you, and I'll never go back.  I'd even buy DA2 on the Mac over the X360, except that my Mac can't run it (I have the Macbook Black), and I can't afford the newer Macbooks for another year or so--other things (like a better car) take priority. 

However, once I do have one of those Macs, I'll be playing DA2 on it--and NWN2 (which I never finished because the PC I was playing it on died in a literal fire), and Jade Empire, and anything else I can. 

[finc.loki]

I feel the same as OP.

I bought DA:O a month later, I still to this day haven't finished it, I know horrible.
It just bugs me that all my party members talk and banter and I am a mute.
I also find the combat so slow , it doesn't need to be, pausing or not, tactical or not.
I never really used the top-down view either.
I like to play games as entertainment not micro-managing them.

Another thing to add, YES I AM a PC gamer and I play a lot of RPG games.

Playing the demo I actually got excited about hearing my character speak and emoting his/her opinion.
I love the new combat granting more immersion.
I will get this game on day 1 and I will play it to the end. My only hope is that the environment won't be too stale since it is set in the same general area, making it trudging and repetitive, but I think the story and interaction will make up for it.

Modifié par finc.loki, 04 mars 2011 - 06:29 .

[DW2511]

Edit: nevermind

Modifié par DW2511, 04 mars 2011 - 06:35 .

[Azrailx]

finc.loki wrote...

I feel the same as OP.

I bought DA:O a month later, I still to this day haven't finished it, I know horrible.
It just bugs me that all my party members talk and banter and I am a mute.
I also find the combat so slow , it doesn't need to be, pausing or not, tactical or not.
I never really used the top-down view either.
I like to play games as entertainment not micro-managing them.

Another thing to add, YES I AM a PC gamer and I play a lot of RPG games.

Playing the demo I actually got excited about hearing my character speak and emoting his/her opinion.
I love the new combat granting more immersion.
I will get this game on day 1 and I will play it to the end. My only hope is that the environment won't be too stale since it is set in the same general area, making it trudging and repetitive, but I think the story and interaction will make up for it.

u dont sound like a pc gamer...

burn him on the stake!!!

[Anathemic]

Congrats OP, unfortunately I don't

[Ravenmyste]

i liked buldur gate and da:O and da:a{although it felt really to dam short} but da2 has won me over for some reason always liked bio ware before it was taken over by ea, but i really hope they try to keep ea tendrils out there games, ea might have killed few of my favorit games like command and conquer when they bought out westwood studios.

but the game is really olsd and it needs to die a honorable death and i really hope that ea can understand that you need to let a studio do there own way of thinking and not force them to do anything to kill there ideas like activison did with black-ops and what there doing with blizzard. albeit slowly to blizzard

[suliabryon]

JohnstonMR wrote...

suliabryon wrote...

Personally, I don't care about achievements. I console game for one reason only - I got tired of having to shell out hundreds to well over a thousand dollars every couple of years to upgrade my computer, just so I could play the latest game to come out. I did that for Morrowind, and then Oblivion, and then the DH and I got tired of dealing with the constant spyware and viruses, and switched to Mac. My gaming by default went to the Xbox, and I discovered I found it just as enjoyable with less hassle. I've never regretted it. I see what people mean about the controls, and remember my mouse and keyboard fondly. But not fondly enough to go back.

Anyway, I stick to RPGs and play online very little. Consequently, my gamerscore is very low, but I don't pay attention to that.

I'm about the same, except that I play more than RPGs.  But yeah, I switched to Mac for much the same reasons as you, and I'll never go back.  I'd even buy DA2 on the Mac over the X360, except that my Mac can't run it (I have the Macbook Black), and I can't afford the newer Macbooks for another year or so--other things (like a better car) take priority. 

However, once I do have one of those Macs, I'll be playing DA2 on it--and NWN2 (which I never finished because the PC I was playing it on died in a literal fire), and Jade Empire, and anything else I can. 

Funny, I just assumed until recently that most games weren't available for Mac. Then, we were in the Mac store recently and I saw a whole shelf of games, including some Bioware! We already have one iMac, and we may try to budget for another (because the DH and I enjoy playing games together) if The Old Republic ends up being as awesome as I think it might be. I wish they would produce it for consoles, but if not, I may end up playing my first game on the Mac!