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[LilyasAvalon]

The new screenshot looks greatly better, but it's still not the elf I romanced with my F!Tabris.

[Batorific]

okay, they purposely made the elves enter the Uncanny Valley area because elves shouldn't look like humans. they should look different. i like the new look. and Zevran's Master-of-Seduction is not harmed in the least. in the DA universe humans and elves are raised together. so the weird look of the elves is new to us, but old to them. they are likely not that bothered by the looks. some may even find them especially attractive (as Leliana put it in DA:O).

[Demx]

Zevran just needs to smack his lips and say, "Now where's my teeth.." in an old voice and his chapter will come to a close for me.

[Shockwave Pulsar]

VictorianTrash wrote...

Balthamoss wrote...

I think he looks really creepy. I mean elves are supposed to be just another race, right ? But this incarnation of Zevran doesn't even look human, he looks like some sort of alien lizard mutant. His womanizer character really does not go with this look, IMO.

Mid-conversation with Hawke, his forked green alien-tongue will slither out from between his teeth and lick Hawke on the cheek, daintily. Then a long, thick silence, and Zevran scurries away into the bushes on all fours.

Lol, will that be his new way of flirting, trying to lure Hawke into the bushes as he crawles on all fours with an alluring look on his face ?

[Curlain]

Batorific wrote...

okay, they purposely made the elves enter the Uncanny Valley area because elves shouldn't look like humans. they should look different. i like the new look. and Zevran's Master-of-Seduction is not harmed in the least. in the DA universe humans and elves are raised together. so the weird look of the elves is new to us, but old to them. they are likely not that bothered by the looks. some may even find them especially attractive (as Leliana put it in DA:O).

I could understand that some would find elves attractive as Leliana said in the context of DA:O where that statement occurs.  I'm afriad I don't really understand that comment working in DA2 considering how much the elves have changed

[CaptainBlackGold]

While I am late to this discussion, I got to say, "Not loving the new design for elves." That first picture is hilarious and the second, while better, is still just not doing it for me.

I was peaking at a You tube video of meeting Merrill and the Dalish seem to have these giant heads on skinny bodies. Hey look, I want to love this game and I realize that looks can be fairly subjective but this new art style with the Jay Leno chins for everyone - well, I guess it does give DA2 the "unique" look Bioware wanted - it's just not a look I find particularly attractive or appealing.

[Sabariel]

VictorianTrash wrote...

Balthamoss wrote...

I think he looks really creepy. I mean elves are supposed to be just another race, right ? But this incarnation of Zevran doesn't even look human, he looks like some sort of alien lizard mutant. His womanizer character really does not go with this look, IMO.

Mid-conversation with Hawke, his forked green alien-tongue slithers out from between his teeth and licks Hawke daintily on the cheek. Then a long, thick silence ensues, and Zevran scurries away into the bushes on all fours with a screech.

Oddly enough, I could picture that perfectly...

[Batorific]

Curlain wrote...

I could understand that some would find elves attractive as Leliana said in the context of DA:O where that statement occurs.  I'm afriad I don't really understand that comment working in DA2 considering how much the elves have changed

Thats the unfortunate nature of the Uncanny.  we think it is wrong and are horrified by it because it is not us.  its instinct.  It will take time to adjust, if one does at all.  But for people within the universe, it is not so uncanny.  because they see it all the time.  perhaps those cut off from society might be bothered, but is that not the point?

We see racism toward elves to the extreme.  Why?  Why the hostility?  Because it is not us.  Either way, it's hardly the end of the world.  Me?  I actually find the traits of elves to be very fitting and pretty.

But i suppose arguing is pointless.  People have their own opinions and perceptions.  Some will be bothered, others not.

[Zanallen]

Zevran looks fine to me. I like the redesign of the elves. In DA:O, they were basically short humans with slightly pointier ears. It was silly. Especially when dwarves were shorter, stockier humans and Qunari were tall humans with a tan. If these are supposed to be separate races, they should look the part.

[Sabariel]

The Na'vi flat face just doesn't do it for me. The Dalish sentries are even creepier than Merrill. My Hawke just might turn around and run away crying instead of entering the Dalish camp

[Thanatos9t]

While I'm not overly fond of Zevran's new face the thing that gets me is the texture mapping on the armour he is wearing.

The mapping on the collar looks really bad with visible signs that it has been mirrored leading to a bow tie effect on the front highlighted in red, my second criticism (apart from the low resolution textures which may just be the machine it's running on, looks worse in the second image even lower resolution) is the black line that is meant to divide the collar and the armour appears to deviate and disappears near the shoulder highlighted in cyan:

[Mariefoxprice83]

I quite like the new picture of Zevran...he may not be the original character but it's far better than that first pic and I'm not now dreading his appearance as I was after I saw that first pic.

[Eorion_Moonwing]

Its the same exact discussion that occurred when races new look were introduced: "Goat ears! Alien face! Ugly! Cant stand! And they should look like lotr ones."

BioWare wanted unique elves that alter from lotro stereotype not only in oppressed state but in look too. And they have done it right. They are aware that those new re-imagined elves will not be accepted by all. Some may never come in terms with them.

Now reading this tread is like reading WoW forums. I love Night Elves from Warcraft series to death but majority think that they are "Super ugly! Ridiculous! Have horrible ears and stupid gloving eyes." But they are unique even if some hate them.

And I bow to BioWare for what they do with the elves. DA elves is now one of my favorite in fantasy gender.

[Curlain]

Eorion_Moonwing wrote...

Its the same exact discussion that occurred when races new look were introduced: "Goat ears! Alien face! Ugly! Cant stand! And they should look like lotr ones."

BioWare wanted unique elves that alter from lotro stereotype not only in oppressed state but in look too. And they have done it right. They are aware that those new re-imagined elves will not be accepted by all. Some may never come in terms with them.

Now reading this tread is like reading WoW forums. I love Night Elves from Warcraft series to death but majority think that they are "Super ugly! Ridiculous! Have horrible ears and stupid gloving eyes." But they are unique even if some hate them.

And I bow to BioWare for what they do with the elves. DA elves is now one of my favorite in fantasy gender.

If this was the kind of elf they wished for, they should have done it from the beginning with Origins.  I think it's the complete change from one type of elf in Origins to this many find jarring.  In Origins they were the Tolkienesk and DnD type elf (which I'll admit, I'm a big fan of) that had fallen from the high cilivasation they once had to being oppressed by humans, lost (possibly) their previously immortality and seen often as 2nd class citizens.  It was a look at what could have happened many centuries after LoTR or a number of DnD world settings where there we often see elven cilivasation in decline, but DA like the Witcher, shows the next stage, where that decline has fully taken place.

I also liked the racism parallels to our own world better with the elves in Origins, because they look relatively similar to humans.  Just as in rl, racism and other prejudge is used against others who are really no different from each appart from very minor differences, and yet people still give into it, and they don't even have the excuse (as weak as it is) of this other being Uncanny or that different from them.

But yep, I think if BioWare wanted this direction, they should have gone with it from the beginning, rather then just decide that's how they now want elves to be with the new game.


But I'll accept that I'm a fan of Tolkienesk Otherworldy people elves rather then elves as a alienish species elves and that this is going to colour my opinion allot

Modifié par Curlain, 06 mars 2011 - 02:26 .

[Weltea]

MemeLeigh wrote...

hmm... I wonder if he still does the flirting thing when he is still in a relationship with the warden.

I think he still would but that it wouldn't lead to anything then.
Otherwise he'd have to be worried about my mCousland finding out

[Satyricon331]

Curlain wrote...
If this was the kind of elf they wished for, they should have done it from the beginning with Origins.  I think it's the complete change from one type of elf in Origins to this many find jarring.  In Origins they were the Tolkienesk and DnD type elf (which I'll admit, I'm a big fan of) that had fallen from the high cilivasation they once had to being oppressed by humans, lost (possibly) their previously immortality and seen often as 2nd class citizens.  It was a look at what could have happened many centuries after LoTR or a number of DnD world settings where there we often see elven cilivasation in decline, but DA like the Witcher, shows the next stage, where that decline has fully taken place.

I also liked the racism parallels to our own world better with the elves in Origins, because they look relatively similar to humans.  Just as in rl, racism and other prejudge is used against others who are really no different from each appart from very minor differences, and yet people still give into it, and they don't even have the excuse (as weak as it is) of this other being Uncanny or that different from them.

But yep, I think if BioWare wanted this direction, they should have gone with it from the beginning, rather then just decide that's how they now want elves to be with the new game.


But I'll accept that I'm a fan of Tolkienesk Otherworldy people elves rather then elves as a alienish species elves and that this is going to colour my opinion allot

I agree, except if they wanted this look in the first place they might have done better not calling them "elves" at all.

In my view, DA lore already had the elves as supposed to be looking aesthetically pleasing to humans, and I think at the least that lore consideration should have constrained any "uniqueness" objective.  The new elves are very, very far from beautiful, and it's just really strange that the art team evidently thought there were no beautiful unique looks left in the realm of imagination.

And given the blatant Na'vi similarities, I don't think they even managed to achieve a unique look anyway.  

Modifié par Satyricon331, 06 mars 2011 - 02:46 .

[MoonChildTheUnholy]

David Gaider wrote...

Sabariel wrote...
...This is Carver's "HE'S SO DERPY LOOKING, LOOK AT HIM IN THIS ONE PARTICULAR AND ONLY SCREENSHOT!!!" thing all over again, isn't it?

It is. Zevran looks fine. People are idiots.

Post of the year! Mr. Gaider you should post more often.

[The_mango55]

Curlain wrote...

If this was the kind of elf they wished for, they should have done it from the beginning with Origins.  I think it's the complete change from one type of elf in Origins to this many find jarring.  In Origins they were the Tolkienesk and DnD type elf (which I'll admit, I'm a big fan of) that had fallen from the high cilivasation they once had to being oppressed by humans, lost (possibly) their previously immortality and seen often as 2nd class citizens.  It was a look at what could have happened many centuries after LoTR or a number of DnD world settings where there we often see elven cilivasation in decline, but DA like the Witcher, shows the next stage, where that decline has fully taken place.

What does this have to do with the facial structure of a species?

I also liked the racism parallels to our own world better with the elves in Origins, because they look relatively similar to humans.  Just as in rl, racism and other prejudge is used against others who are really no different from each appart from very minor differences, and yet people still give into it, and they don't even have the excuse (as weak as it is) of this other being Uncanny or that different from them.

But yep, I think if BioWare wanted this direction, they should have gone with it from the beginning, rather then just decide that's how they now want elves to be with the new game.

But I'll accept that I'm a fan of Tolkienesk Otherworldy people elves rather then elves as a alienish species elves and that this is going to colour my opinion allot

They don't look that different now, they still resemble humans fairly closely comparatively speaking. And it doesn't affect how racism should be percieved at all IMO.

By the way, it's "Tolkienesque" and "a lot." Allot means to give or assign a portion.

[Eorion_Moonwing]

Satyricon331 wrote...
The new elves are very, very far from beautiful, and it's just really strange that the art team evidently thought there were no beautiful unique looks left in the realm of imagination.

Beauty is a strange term. I for one find all elves in DAO except Zevran Soris & Shianni extremely ugly, small eyed evolution rejects. And even thous three looked nothing more that attractive humans. You - find them all beautiful and I am accept it. I am in love with the new elves and can only imagine what a delicate flower my M!Surana will be in new style.

But your presences are of the same value that mine are. And no one of us is *right*.

Curlain wrote...
But yep, I think if BioWare wanted this direction, they should have gone with it from the beginning, rather then just decide that's how they now want elves to be with the new game.

In DAO art team were given a direction to create a generic fantasy. So all races looked like humans with strange qualities. In DA2 they decided to separate Thedas world of generic lotr world as the tired of comparisons.

This is not lotr, this is not D&D, this is DA - BioWare own franchise. With horned giants, elegant and thin fay people, stone born dwarfs and...humans.

[zambixi]

I really like the new look for elves. As much as people gripe about it, I think it'll differentiate DA from other fantasy series. DA2 is almost a 'reboot' of the franchise so now is the perfect time to take on a new art direction.

That being said, I miss the old Zevran. This one doesn't look as masculine/sexy as the old model did. He's not romancable and Fenris is though so hooray!

[Blastback]

Addai67 wrote...

Blastback wrote...

foxtrotcharlie wrote...

 I bring good tidings!!
*snip*
There's my ol' Zevran! Glad to have you back buddy!

I knew it! I knew it was just a bad screen!

Ok, I wasn't freaking out about the other shot like a lot of people, but now I'm just confused.  He looks exactly the same to me here as in the other shot, but suddenly people are saying "it's the old Zevran".  Wha??

He still looks funny, but it's just the new style- the big chins, small mouths, and the godawful elf ears.

I'll admit, I'm in general not a fan of the redesigned elves.  Looks great on Merril, but most of the others look to much like the Navi from Avatar, who I thought were rather unattractive. 

In Zev's case, when I saw the first screen, I thought "Wait, that's supposed to be who?!"  The second my reaction is more, "Oh, okay, I can see that being Zevran.  Not ideal, but I can accept it."

[Mariefoxprice83]

I'm a bit like that too but I am warming to him.

This reminds me of how things changed from Sims 1, 2 and 3.  It's an uinavoidable part of games, I think.  The appearance is going to change whether we like it or not, according ot what the developers think is better.  I still thinks Sims 2 sims look better than Sims 3 sims but the base game for 3 is better than the base game for Sims 2 and includes some features that were only included in expansions for 2 (I haven't bought any expansions for 3 yet so I can't cxompare them to their equivalents on 2)  and the customisation options are better.  That's how the industry seems to function.  So...while I am not yet fully adjusted to the changes in DAII from Origins, I accept that as inevitable and think they will be fine once I'm used to them. 

Modifié par Mariefoxprice83, 06 mars 2011 - 03:57 .

[KaiTao]

They tried to stick close to the DA:O version but failed on the jaw and eyes. Can't wait for the toolset update now, it needs work.

Mariefoxprice83 wrote...

This
reminds me of how things changed from Sims 1, 2 and 3.  It's an
uinavoidable part of games, I think.  The appearance is going to change
whether we like it or not, according ot what the developers think is
better.  I still thinks Sims 2 sims look better than Sims 3 sims but the
base game for 3 is better than the base game for Sims 2 and includes
some features that were only included in expansions for 2 (I haven't
bought any expansions for 3 yet so I can't cxompare them to their
equivalents on 2)  and the customisation options are better.  That's how
the industry seems to function.  So...while I am not yet fully adjusted
to the changes in DAII from Origins, I accept that as inevitable and
think they will be fine once I'm used to them. 

Sims 2 uses the face-shop(sp?) while Sims 3 is CAS slider base cusomization. So while Sims 2 allowed modders to have full control of the features and face textures for the character they were creating, Sims 3 cusomization is limited by the bone assignments of the EA mesh making it pretty restricted. Now with all the mods available to the said sliders, plus all the cusom makeup and hair around, you can create some characters that are really good looking, even better then Sims 2. It is the same for every game that went from separate head selection to slider based face customization. Trust me, it took a lot of effort to create my Morrowind character in Oblivion, and even then he still had a diferent feel because of the new graphic engine. *sigh*

Modifié par KaiTao, 06 mars 2011 - 04:22 .

[thatbwoyblu]

PurebredCorn wrote...

Eiliestl wrote...

I don't care what anybody says, this photo is still hilarious. I got a good laugh out of it and I would like to thank whomever posted it to begin with. Whether or not it's mid-sentence or whatever is beside the point for me, funny is funny.

According to David Gaider "you're a idiot":devil:LMFAO