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[Gentleman Moogle]

I used to pirate. I had all the excuses; "I wasn't going to buy it anyways", "They don't release demos", "It's just a game"...

Then I started delving a bit deeper into what actually goes into game making (I also started frequenting the Escapist Magazine site, which has a ton of VG stuff), and I realized just how... I dunno, selfish? Stupid? Manifestly abhorrent in every category? How selfish my actions were. Granted, it's a sixty-dollar game, it's not like my one pirated copy is going to do huge damage to the company's bottom line... But it's not about the money, it's about the principle of the thing. I'd be pissed if someone pirated something I'd worked my ass off for, so why should I do it to someone else?

Besides, I WANT to support these guys. They make games -- hell, they make WORLDS -- that I love. Same as buying a book, I'll buy games to support the dudes who be awesome.

Now, to the original topic:

My gut reaction is to say "Screw you, Chauncey", because I love Bioware and I get a little fanboyish at times. However, that would solve nothing and might get me banned, so let me try a different approach:

No one says you have to buy the DLC, my son. (Like how I did that whole 'zen' thing there?) The games are complete without them, and will continue to be complete without them, storyline and all. What you are paying for is extra content. Like the bonus features on a DVD, or the director's cut. They enhance the gameplay, but you don't need them to understand what's going on. If you don't want to pay the extra money, then don't. But stop griping that Bioware is sh*tting on it's fans. It's a business, and DLC just happens to be a big money-maker right now.

Also, I find your premise about 'being about money not customers' laughable. Bioware and EA are businesses. They must make a profit. Now, they could do this by charging more for their games (and let's face it, most of us would pay it), or by reducing the quality of their games so we shell out the same price for a game that didn't cost as much, and in both scenarios we have no choice as to what we get with our money.

DLC, on the other hand, is all about choice. It says "Hey, guys, we know you loved the game. We've gone ahead and crafted a few more cool little adventures for you.", and then offers those adventures to you BEYOND THE SCOPE OF THE ACTUAL GAME (note the emphasis) for a small price. And it IS a 'small' price. Ten bucks isn't much, by any standard (Unless you live in, I dunno, Turkmenistan or something).

So yeah, it's your choice man. You'll have all the original story and characters you need if you don't buy the DLC, but you can buy a few cool extras if you shell out. Totally optional, no one is forcing you, no one says you have to.

And now, on a personal note:

"Screw you, Chauncey."

That is all.

[treeryder]

Will no one actually look at my profile as see i actually own this game?

[Ileanos07]

What can I say? Stupid post... But I cant say I am not angry about DLC politics. But I am angry because I cant download latest DLC - Czech Republic. We just cant.... Funny stuff.

[AntiChri5]

What can I say? Stupid post... But I cant say I am not angry about DLC politics. But I am angry because I cant download latest DLC - Czech Republic. We just cant.... Funny stuff.

Pirating is okay in situations like this. If there is no legal way for you to get the content then go nuts and pirate away.

[treeryder]

I completely agree that pirating PC games is wrong, we have seen the effects it has on the industry, games coming out for console but not for PC, halved assed Console ports.

But the fact is more people are going to pirate your games because they will think they get the whole package and if they buy it they will have to shell out another 3920 BW points to get all the content, thats £30.95 or 50.39898 U.S. dollars. I can buy the game for £14.99 pounds the DLC is more than twice as exspensive than the game

Modifié par treeryder, 04 mars 2011 - 09:05 .

[ericneo2]

I have to agree with the first post of the topic creator, I will never pay for DLC that should have been ingame on release.

Need I remind the trolls of resident evil where all the DLC came on the disc and people still had to pay extra for the content on their own disc.

PS this website is still **** after how long now they still haven't fixed it's errors and with the new release I see another ****storm coming. I have to re log in for every page I want to view on here, even I know how to write a login session in php and have it remember who's logged in why can't the webmaster of this site? It's so basic it isn't even funny that stuff like this still hasn't been fixed.

[AllenShepard]

Not Mass Effect related, go away.

[AntiChri5]

So don't buy the DLC.

[Doctor_Jackstraw]

You aren't paying for a game you've already payed for, you're paying for extra stuff. They aren't making you buy the suicide mission, you're basically getting an expansion pack if you look at the full scope of what the DLC is and will be when they are "finished with it".

Also you're asking people to make content that is more refined and polished than most of what the game was without getting paid for it. Many of the new weapons or powers involve new mechanics that actually have to be patched into the game. If it wasn't a DLC with it's own special budget lair of the shadow broker probably would have been lacking these features:

* Developing Liara into a playable character for Mass Effect 2
* Liara's Stasis power and the (couple of) mechanics that make it work
* Building a new model for Liara (or two)
* The subplot with the Asari Spectre
* Anything that wasn't just "the shadow broker level"
* The Shadow Broker being an entirely new monster with entirely new ai and combat mechanics
* The epilogue content and extended romance scenes
* The massive kickass shadow broker ship. Would you rather the shadow broker have just been made up of extra parts from ilium or omega?


If you look at the placeholder dialogue from shadow broker that mission's scope was incredibly small compared to what we ended up with. you're being rediculous stop being rediculous with your demands. Valve is able to make lavish campaigns as free DLC for L4D2 because they own THE pc store and can afford to just pay people to work on something that will not make any money back because they already have so much from everywhere else. Not everyone is as comfy as Valve/Blizzard/Nintendo.

[lawp79]

I have no problem paying for DLC so long as it wasnt hidden inside the original game.

[DarthKaldriss]

treeryder wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

treeryder wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

people like you make me sick. do you have any idea, any clue how hard game developers work? how many hours they put into crafting a game, how much effort? the degree of creativity it requires to create games like the ones bioware makes? if you do not wish to buy optional content, no one, NO ONE is forcing you. but don't you dare come here, acting self righteous and threaten to steal content someone else sweated over. you have no right, you entitled little spoiled brat.

Are you telling me you have never downloaded a game, movie, music or TV show?  If you say no, then you are a lier sir.

I do by best to buy games, with what little cash i have, but i wont state that ive never downloaded anything pirated. You sound a bit like a hypocrite to me, i only speak the truth. x

I've watched movies on youtube.  I've purchased games on 80% off sales with steam.  I never pirated music, because I prefer to listen to pandora or get CD's on sale from reputable retailers and make my own mp3 mixes, and hulu has most of the TV shows I'm interested in. 

however, no matter what I did or didnt do, there's one thing I've never ever done.  I didn't come to a company websited and ****ed about unfair prices and threatened to steal their product if they don't give it to me for free legaly.  as the artist, craftspeople, creators - developres, voice actors, etc deserve t be payed.  they deserve to be compensated for their effort.  if you don't feel that the product is worth the price, there's a simple solution - DO NOT BUY IT.  

its optional.  its not nessesary to enjoy the game and to see the entire story.  its the extra topings on your banana split or your pizza pie - you know the ones you ALSO have to pay extra for?

ive never threatened to steal anything, only stated that DLC will create more pirates this is fact.

               
                 Erm how did you come to this conclusion sparky ?  

[mopotter]

If it's a DLC I want I'll pay for it. If I don't want it I don't get it.

I would like to see a cd after a couple of years with the game and all DLC on it. I'd buy it. I did it with FA3. Downloaded the DLC I wanted, like Broken Steel and Point Lookout, then when the game was released with all the DLC I got that because I prefer a cd instead of downloads.

But until then I have no problem with paying for extra content. Shoot, I'd even pay for a new hair style for my xbox DA:O game even though I have downloaded free mods for the pc one.

[The real truth]

I hate DLC I have like 1800 points and I got mass effect 2 for £20 and now to get all the DLC and even the next one I have to more or less pay even more.
I'm just going to wait for the next price drop.

[rabidsmurf]

For all the DLC they put out between games they could just put it on a disc, and sell it in the stores. Call it Mass Effect 1.5, or 2.5. Problem solved. No more pirating DLC. If you want it, buy the disc.

[habitat 67]

Look, another babby getting up on the soapbox trying to get attention.

[CARL_DF90]

"DLC Make it free, or you will lose customers through pirates"?
Mildly stupid thing to say given the high quality DLC we have been getting. Plus, piracy in of itself is a cancer that eats away at the gaming industry. Only morons fail to realize that all it does is cause damage to the industry and keeps the games you like being made. It's simple: if they don't make money on their products they go out of business, period. Personally, I don't mind paying for the games and DLC. It really is the honest and the right thing to do.

[Elvis_Mazur]

DLC costs money, therefore, they can't just release every DLC for free.


Obvious stuff is more than obvious.

[xI extremist Ix]

Puck Firates. They're pathetic ass holes who live in their mother's basement called their command center and call themselves warlock.

[Gleym]

Not that I'm defending piracy, but let's put it this way; Even after the retail price of ME2 has dropped to $20-30, if you want to get all of the DLC for ME2 (including the free ones), you'll be forking over $35-40. And that's not including the next DLC that'll tack on an extra $10. So that's a game that originally hit stores at $60, having mostly useless content (save for two party members who are fairly pointless and one-and-soon-to-be-two DLCs that actually contribute to the game's story) for $45-50.

Nobody else find it slightly jarring that you're paying almost FULL RETAIL PRICE for content that's barely 1/10th of the ACTUAL GAME'S CONTENT? Especially now that it means you're paying double the amount of what you might have spent if you bought the game now at lowered cost? Oh, sorry, I forgot. We're talking about ME2 fans. The cream of the crop in delusional self-validating through denial of harsh realities.

Modifié par Gleym, 04 mars 2011 - 02:46 .

[Haeretiker]

I already paid more for ME2 DLC's than for the game itself (I got the game for 20€ at amazon) and it was totally worth it...well maybe the Equalizer Pack was not.

BTT:
I admit it, I'm not a saint but good games just have to be bought, even if they aren't "complete".
Games will be pirated anyway, with or without DLC, that's the way things work.
So, I agree and disagree with the OP, maybe games wont be pirated that much if all the DLC would be free or maybe not, but that still doesn't change the fact that games are pirated anyway.

[Greybox_Inception]

you can't pirate stuff on the xbox 360

[Sowtaaw]

sometimes ppl pirate because there is no other choice in Brazil the xbox version of me2 is 239 reais (145 dolars) thats half of miminum salary in Brazil (545 reais, 330 dollars) so i dont blame ppl who sometimes pirate games.

[tiger-tron]

Aslong as it isn't an unlock code for what is already on the disc then I'm fine with paying for DLC. I thoroughly enjoyed playing the ME2 DLC missions like Kasumi and LOTSB, and I just completed DS2 Severed, granted it was a bit short, but I wasn't expecting a lengthy game for £5. Nevertheless, I still enjoyed it and I hope these DLC episodes continue.

[lawp79]

Greybox_Inception wrote...

you can't pirate stuff on the xbox 360

Unless its chipped, in which case you get banned from live.

[JackShepard]

Gleym wrote...

Not that I'm defending piracy, but let's put it this way; Even after the retail price of ME2 has dropped to $20-30, if you want to get all of the DLC for ME2 (including the free ones), you'll be forking over $35-40. And that's not including the next DLC that'll tack on an extra $10. So that's a game that originally hit stores at $60, having mostly useless content (save for two party members who are fairly pointless and one-and-soon-to-be-two DLCs that actually contribute to the game's story) for $45-50.

Nobody else find it slightly jarring that you're paying almost FULL RETAIL PRICE for content that's barely 1/10th of the ACTUAL GAME'S CONTENT? Especially now that it means you're paying double the amount of what you might have spent if you bought the game now at lowered cost? Oh, sorry, I forgot. We're talking about ME2 fans. The cream of the crop in delusional self-validating through denial of harsh realities.

If you think it ain't worth it, then don't buy them. Nobody's forcing you to. Why hate on the people who think it's worth it? Is your rage at DLC economics so great that you feel the need to start spewing hateful generalizations as if it were some sort of newfangled ideology?