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[Tleining]

@ moilami
the game doesn't fit your taste so you are not gonna buy it. You would have preferred it if they left x in. Done.

[jheise4321]

These fast paced combat complaints are retarded. I played the demo on nightmare and it felt just like DA:O but way better. You can still pause every 2 seconds and issue commands. How has the faster paced combat kept people from pausing and issuing commands? The only people that have trouble with that are people who have brains that can't register what is going on that fast. This sounds like a them problem not a Bioware problem if you ask me. I suggest brain trainers online.

The only RPG parts taken out from DA:O is the companion armor. Everything else is pretty much thte same. They have added a lot more though. I am baffled at the amount of people complaining.

[slimgrin]

Bioware is not the flagship of RPG's.

[Meltemph]

I have asked once why it is so offensive if I say DA2 is dumbed down for masses. Now I ask it second time.

If I say DA2 has been dumbed down for masses I am not saying I am better person or you are worse person. So why take offense? How I can talk about DA2 without being "offensive"? Should I use some kind of news-speak? Secret language? What?

Huh? My post had nothing to do with the "dumbed down", specially since that doesn't even make sense. If you got your intellectual jollies off of RPG's, well then you are easily stimulated in the 1st place, so I tend not to get into arguments about "dumbed down" vs "complex" when it comes to these topics.

I find people trying to argue what system in RPG's is more complex to be comical saying DA2 is dumbed down compared to DAO... Well, I didn't even know DAO was complex in the 1st place. Until everyone started calling it(DA2) dumbed down, I thought it played near identical to DAO.

Modifié par Meltemph, 04 mars 2011 - 05:05 .

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slimgrin wrote...

Bioware is not the flagship of RPG's.

That's right, because there isn't one. 

[Elsariel]

Dr. wonderful wrote...

Elsariel wrote...

Yrkoon wrote...

TwistedComplex wrote...

Someone tell me, what about this game isn't an RPG

I would REALLY like to know

Well, cuz of the demo.

It was 100%  linear and  99%  combat 

Therefore  DA2 will  be the same and thus not an RPG.  Fact.  lol

I hope that's sarcasm.

Can't you tell?

Not always, no.  Unfortunately.  Lots of times I'm laughing at what someone said thinking it's sarcasm and then I find out that they're serious.   

[IRMcGhee]

BobSmith101 wrote...
My playstyle with DA2 is program the AI then play in real time unless I really need to pause.Not that different in DA I only really paused for the hard stuff. Other peoples will vary. But I get what they mean about the sped up combat.

That's basically how they said DA2's Normal difficulty is intended to be played, and that  Hard and Nightmare requires micromanaging your whole party.

[moilami]

Tleining wrote...

@ moilami
the game doesn't fit your taste so you are not gonna buy it. You would have preferred it if they left x in. Done.

Lol, I don't know to what question you have answered, but you are right with the exclusion of the fact that I have preordered sig edition. That happened before I saw the demo.

[termokanden]

From the demo I also didn't get the impression that gameplay was dumbed down. But it seemed like talents had been streamlined quite a bit. I like the new talent "trees" a lot so far (they aren't technically trees, but anyway).

I am not sure what to think of the new dialogue system. It's really not easy to tell from the demo alone since it's mostly combat. Maybe it'll be good, maybe it'll end up feeling incredibly limited. We shall see.

Modifié par termokanden, 04 mars 2011 - 05:10 .

[aksoileau]

Am I the only one who really loved the BG and NWN series but also loves this new style of rpg that is ME and DA?

[Yrkoon]

moilami wrote...

Meltemph wrote...

That same "someone" also bragged about how good Bioware are at the storylines and the companions, and that that is a huge point in their favor.

Doesn't change the fact you are trying to claim ownership of what is a "true" rpg. Is it that hard to jsut say, I prefer "insert game here" type of RPG's? Yes, it is, because you apparently think it adds more meaning to "your" games of choice, because God forbid not everyone enjoyed those games as much as you did.

I have asked once why it is so offensive if I say DA2 is dumbed down for masses. Now I ask it second time.

If I say DA2 has been dumbed down for masses I am not saying I am better person or you are worse person. So why take offense? How I can talk about DA2 without being "offensive"? Should I use some kind of news-speak? Secret language? What?

Say,,,,what?

Is anyone here claiming that they're offended by your comments?  Or are you just trying to push a straw man through here?

I, for one, am still  at the beginning - trying to figure out  what your definition of "dumbed down" is.  Others have cited more detailed quest journals and  more stylized companions as examples of DA2 being dumbed down.  and that  confuses the hell out of me for obvious  reasons of contradiction.  But forget that noise.

Show me how they've dumbed down combat in this game  (for example).  Because  combat in DA:O was ridiculously easy and intuitive, but  I'm playing DA2's demo and I'm still trying to figure out all the new effects that  stats have on combat.. 

I guess what I'm trying to say is:  Spit out an argument already,  instead of just  spouting  the canned one liners you've been spouting on every thread you've  posted in.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 04 mars 2011 - 05:15 .

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IRMcGhee wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...
My playstyle with DA2 is program the AI then play in real time unless I really need to pause.Not that different in DA I only really paused for the hard stuff. Other peoples will vary. But I get what they mean about the sped up combat.

That's basically how they said DA2's Normal difficulty is intended to be played, and that  Hard and Nightmare requires micromanaging your whole party.

Or fully programming your whole party with optimal tactics.  They've said both are possible. 

[the_one_54321]

I'm not super happy with DA][. In fact I'm not buying it until there's a better deal on it. But the op posted a very badly written article.

[Meltemph]

the_one_54321 wrote...

I'm not super happy with DA][. In fact I'm not buying it until there's a better deal on it. But the op posted a very badly written article.

I don't think most of the people in this topic realize, it's just a blog post.  Hell, I didnt even realize it until I took a closer look at that website.

[Dr. wonderful]

Elsariel wrote...

Dr. wonderful wrote...

Elsariel wrote...

Yrkoon wrote...

TwistedComplex wrote...

Someone tell me, what about this game isn't an RPG

I would REALLY like to know

Well, cuz of the demo.

It was 100%  linear and  99%  combat 

Therefore  DA2 will  be the same and thus not an RPG.  Fact.  lol

I hope that's sarcasm.

Can't you tell?

Not always, no.  Unfortunately.  Lots of times I'm laughing at what someone said thinking it's sarcasm and then I find out that they're serious.   

Oh my, you poor dear.

[Ahglock]

Aidunno wrote...

I think this is a reactionary piece from someone who simply doesn't like the game as they have seen it. Whilst this may be correct some of what is there is correct. Then again I knew people who insisted the AD&D was a major step down from the enjoyability of D&D.

CRPG's will, for many people, only be RPG's if they are direct translation of Pen and Paper RPG's transferred to computers.

Every edition of D&D has its fans and people who hate the new ediiton.  computer games are no different I guess.

As for the article in some ways I agree, due to the increased speed of combat I was pause clicking like mad.  But whatever.  I know on the ME2 boards pausing was implied to be an inferior you suck style of gaming and videos of game play should not use it.  I wonder if the DA2 boards will turn into that. 

also on the talking side of things, yeah I think the ME style of conversation is vastly inferior but cinematic beats depth in movies as well. 

[moilami]

Yrkoon wrote...

moilami wrote...

Meltemph wrote...

That same "someone" also bragged about how good Bioware are at the storylines and the companions, and that that is a huge point in their favor.

Doesn't change the fact you are trying to claim ownership of what is a "true" rpg. Is it that hard to jsut say, I prefer "insert game here" type of RPG's? Yes, it is, because you apparently think it adds more meaning to "your" games of choice, because God forbid not everyone enjoyed those games as much as you did.

I have asked once why it is so offensive if I say DA2 is dumbed down for masses. Now I ask it second time.

If I say DA2 has been dumbed down for masses I am not saying I am better person or you are worse person. So why take offense? How I can talk about DA2 without being "offensive"? Should I use some kind of news-speak? Secret language? What?

Huh?

Is anyone here claiming that they're offended by your comments?  Or are you just trying to push a straw man through here?

I for one, am still  at the beginning - trying to figure out  what your definition of "dumbed down" is.  Others have cited more detailed quest journals and  no more non-combat skill trees as an example of DA2 being dumbed down.  and that  confuses the hell out of me for obvious  reasons of contradiction.  But forget that noise.

Show me how they've dumbed down combat in this game  (for example).  Because  combat in DA:O was ridiculously easy and intuitive, but  I'm playing DA2's demo and I'm still trying to figure out all the new effects that  stats have on combat.. 

I guess what I'm trying to say is:  Spit out an argument already,  instead of just  spouting  the canned one liners you've been spouting on every thread you've  posted in.

Yes, there has been at least one.

[Johnsen1972]

TGFKAMAdmaX wrote...

@ johnsen1972

im pretty sure that what they said is not based off of a review but of just the demo...

NOPE, they completed it. They also wrote it has a bad ending..... an ending that will not satisfy many players

[Johnsen1972]

the_one_54321 wrote...

I'm not super happy with DA][. In fact I'm not buying it until there's a better deal on it. But the op posted a very badly written article.

I will play it, but I will pobably sell my signatur edition on ebay and wait for an ultimate edition with more content. I could cry atm, I was really hoping for a better game.

[Yrkoon]

moilami wrote...

Yrkoon wrote...

moilami wrote...

Meltemph wrote...

That same "someone" also bragged about how good Bioware are at the storylines and the companions, and that that is a huge point in their favor.

Doesn't change the fact you are trying to claim ownership of what is a "true" rpg. Is it that hard to jsut say, I prefer "insert game here" type of RPG's? Yes, it is, because you apparently think it adds more meaning to "your" games of choice, because God forbid not everyone enjoyed those games as much as you did.

I have asked once why it is so offensive if I say DA2 is dumbed down for masses. Now I ask it second time.

If I say DA2 has been dumbed down for masses I am not saying I am better person or you are worse person. So why take offense? How I can talk about DA2 without being "offensive"? Should I use some kind of news-speak? Secret language? What?

Huh?

Is anyone here claiming that they're offended by your comments?  Or are you just trying to push a straw man through here?

I for one, am still  at the beginning - trying to figure out  what your definition of "dumbed down" is.  Others have cited more detailed quest journals and  no more non-combat skill trees as an example of DA2 being dumbed down.  and that  confuses the hell out of me for obvious  reasons of contradiction.  But forget that noise.

Show me how they've dumbed down combat in this game  (for example).  Because  combat in DA:O was ridiculously easy and intuitive, but  I'm playing DA2's demo and I'm still trying to figure out all the new effects that  stats have on combat.. 

I guess what I'm trying to say is:  Spit out an argument already,  instead of just  spouting  the canned one liners you've been spouting on every thread you've  posted in.

Yes, there has been at least one.

Someone is dodging....  As everyone here can see

if you can't actually form an argument, then fine.  We'll take  more of your silly one liners. 

[Ziggeh]

Sacred_Fantasy wrote...

Ziggeh wrote...
I "attacked" the way in which you made your argument. Which was absurd. I really have no opinion about your preferences.

So turning a RPG in the same manner as arcade adventure games or reading storybook or watching cinema isn't absurd?

Suggesting that these are the end result of an incrimental process is, yes. Taking the (apparent) fact that Wagon Wheels have gotten smaller and suggesting that this means that "it's only a matter of time" until they start selling empty packets would be just as bizarre.

Saying that they have already become this is just bad analogy, however.

Again, I have no opinion about your preference. Just the manner in which you've chosen to express it.

Sacred_Fantasy wrote...
Why would they call this sort of game as RPG when they can just classified them as adventure, action, FPS, Third person shooter?

Well, that's a language problem. Like any genre definition the term "rpg" is really just a loose grouping of conventions. I for one would support the creation of more useful terms, something to describe games built with the intent of supporting roleplay to the probable detriment of "game". Something which describes to strict adherence to a set of agreed upon systems. People use the term to describe a number of things, all of which are arguably valid, but unhelpful if noone actually agrees.

[Elsariel]

Dr. wonderful wrote...

Elsariel wrote...

Dr. wonderful wrote...

Elsariel wrote...

Yrkoon wrote...

TwistedComplex wrote...

Someone tell me, what about this game isn't an RPG

I would REALLY like to know

Well, cuz of the demo.

It was 100%  linear and  99%  combat 

Therefore  DA2 will  be the same and thus not an RPG.  Fact.  lol

I hope that's sarcasm.

Can't you tell?

Not always, no.  Unfortunately.  Lots of times I'm laughing at what someone said thinking it's sarcasm and then I find out that they're serious.   

Oh my, you poor dear.

LOL.  I know... it's a sadness.

[james1976]

I'll reserve my opinion on it until I've actually played the full version. I'm an old school RPGer but I've played my fair share of Action-RPGs as well. The demo isn't the purest representation of the game as some elements were left out. I'll make my decision to agree or disagree with article when the time has actually arrived.

[moilami]

Yrkoon wrote...

moilami wrote...

Yrkoon wrote...

moilami wrote...

Meltemph wrote...

That same "someone" also bragged about how good Bioware are at the storylines and the companions, and that that is a huge point in their favor.

Doesn't change the fact you are trying to claim ownership of what is a "true" rpg. Is it that hard to jsut say, I prefer "insert game here" type of RPG's? Yes, it is, because you apparently think it adds more meaning to "your" games of choice, because God forbid not everyone enjoyed those games as much as you did.

I have asked once why it is so offensive if I say DA2 is dumbed down for masses. Now I ask it second time.

If I say DA2 has been dumbed down for masses I am not saying I am better person or you are worse person. So why take offense? How I can talk about DA2 without being "offensive"? Should I use some kind of news-speak? Secret language? What?

Huh?

Is anyone here claiming that they're offended by your comments?  Or are you just trying to push a straw man through here?

I for one, am still  at the beginning - trying to figure out  what your definition of "dumbed down" is.  Others have cited more detailed quest journals and  no more non-combat skill trees as an example of DA2 being dumbed down.  and that  confuses the hell out of me for obvious  reasons of contradiction.  But forget that noise.

Show me how they've dumbed down combat in this game  (for example).  Because  combat in DA:O was ridiculously easy and intuitive, but  I'm playing DA2's demo and I'm still trying to figure out all the new effects that  stats have on combat.. 

I guess what I'm trying to say is:  Spit out an argument already,  instead of just  spouting  the canned one liners you've been spouting on every thread you've  posted in.

Yes, there has been at least one.

Someone is dodging....  As everyone here can see

if you can't actually form an argument, then fine.  We'll take  more of your silly one liners. 

No, I just have better things to do.

[Wygrath]

aksoileau wrote...

Am I the only one who really loved the BG and NWN series but also loves this new style of rpg that is ME and DA?

No. I've enjoyed all of those games and I'm eagerly awaiting DA2's release.

The combat really isn't different from Origins. When you cast a spell the exact same thing happens. You place your cone or AoE with the exact same interface.

The only real difference is that you don't have to watch as your character shuffles into position to start attacking, which is a welcome and needed change.