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[Merced652]

mindbody wrote...

Some Geth wrote...

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Some Geth wrote...

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

thatbwoyblu wrote...

I want Dragon Age to be more like God of War because I love god of war.Forget that old choppy RPG style its time for RPGs to have style.I am pretty sure OP is a internet thug from RPG Codex.What up Gangster!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I once played God of War for several minutes.  I can't understand how that game is fun at all, even for a moment.

So you die a lot?

I like Sylvius but I swear he probably likes math equations.

Wow now I feel sorry for him=].

Sylvius likes to roleplay. There's no reason to feel sorry for him.
Edit: What's wrong with liking math equations, anyways?  You'd think people who post on a cRPG forum might appreciate a little geekiness.

You missed the boat, this is the new **** now brooooooo

[cw8]

PhrosniteAgainROFL wrote...

"Evolve or perish."

All classic RPGs are dead.

I doubt anyone who likes classic RPGs will evolve, neither will they perish.

Also considering the fact that indie "classic RPGs" sold well, and coming out of some newer studios who formed from the older studios. You can say not all classic RPGs are dead.

[konjusina]

take some Kangaxx for the pain wrote...

thatbwoyblu wrote...

I want Dragon Age to be more like God of War because I love god of war.Forget that old choppy RPG style its time for RPGs to have style.I am pretty sure OP is a internet thug from RPG Codex.What up Gangster!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

my my.. times are really changing. To see this kind of commenting here of all places proves that the "old guard", if you will, is really walking or walked out of the door. Though to us perceptive ones this was fairly obvious after EA ate Bioware.

Bg,Tosc,Bg2,ToB,Nwn,SoU,HotU,Kotor -all absolute masterpieces, played those for hundreds and hundreds of hours.. buying every Bioware title really was a no-brainer back then.

Then came Jade Empire, what a crap game. And ME was ok, not too great but just ok enough. Dragon Age origins however showed that BW still had it, not just because it's fantasy, but because of the marvellous dialogue and different protagonist backrounds etc. obvious things that makes rpg-people want to play rpgs! God of wars are for people who love god of wars. ME2 was a truly poor game. Made me sure that I'm not gonna even read about ME3, just don't care what happens in it!

And now this. The DA2 demo. I am really disappointed. It's truly not the same game as DAO. Combat is just a button slashing fest, a stupid god-of-war-type of a game, lame, boring "action" with cartoon-like thin characters, and very limited choises, a tunnel. Made for more simple people, it seems. No real dialogue. I might buy it from a discount-shelf in 2012 just to see what happened to the Warden, we'll see. Don't really give a **** about Hawke, or his champion-saga..

And with this, I'll take my exit, there are just so many other activities out there. If your games won't be as good interactive books no more, just sir Duke Nukems vs Diablos, I'm out ... for.. for good? We'll see. Keep your special offer tomes and other dlc-gifts for the mass-marketed. It was always the story and the dialogue for me, not the glitter nor the gore.

thanks, BW for many years of DIFFERENT, IMMERSIVE, WELL-WRITTEN ADVENTURES. You were really something special!

That "I want dragon age to be more like god of war" crowd is BioWares new target audience. They can spin their new changes to DA2 any way they want, but we all know the changes were made to make playing on consoles more appealing and appeal to the masses.

Hopefully BioWare those masses and COD /GoW masses will keep you guys afloat untill EA finds the next best developer and consumes them and then does you know what (check previous studios consumed by EA) to you =). As for the the rest of us there are still some great games like Witcher 2 to look forwar too.

Modifié par konjusina, 05 mars 2011 - 02:11 .

[Yamsandjams]

cw8 wrote...

PhrosniteAgainROFL wrote...

"Evolve or perish."

All classic RPGs are dead.

I doubt anyone who likes classic RPGs will evolve, neither will they perish.

Also considering the fact that indie "classic RPGs" sold well, and coming out of some newer studios who formed from the older studios. You can say not all classic RPGs are dead.

There is a marked fear of change amongst the general population. Some old school gamers don't like "their" games messed with. I don't know why they bother with any new games instead of play their old ones all the time though, if that's the case. A lot of them are still really fun to play, too. Besides, people would just complain about new games being clones of old games and lacking any originality if they did try to satisfy these setiments... in other words, there's no way developers can win, so they'll just do what they do.

As for me, everything's been on a direct downhill since PacMan, but I got over it. Bring it on, 21st century.

[MaxxBeav]

I remember playing the original D&D back in the 70’s, so yes, I am an old timer at role playing games. Like most engineering types, I also love my home built desktop pc. Does Dragon Age 2 look like it is built for console gamers? It sure seems that way based on the demo. But it makes sense that the industry is moving that way.

Most logical people would throw done three hundred bucks for a console system rather than a few thousand for a home built gaming pc. I can see how that is going to drive gaming company decisions. Heck, I’m still glad there are pc versions – thank you laptop owners.

Does that mean I am not getting this game? Nope - I bought the pre-release edition like everyone else to get all of the goodies. Dragon Age Origins was probably the best computer role playing game I have ever played. . If the game still has a good story and there are still strategic elements to it, then I can put up with a different interface.

Bottom line, if it is still fun to play like Origins – works for me. If it becomes another shooter, guess I better get ready for that old folks home…

[Fangirl17]

HTTP 404 wrote...

Fangirl17 wrote...

Aw the summery of the aricle has me a little worried >.< Le sign,we shall see March 8th.

it should be noted that it is an editorial and opinion piece not a review much less news nor an article

Of course I take it with a grain of salt.I know that my opinion of the game could be drastically different than this person's  It just makes little nagging doubt pop up in the back of my mind  but it deffinetly doesnt make me any less excited for this game

[Passivehate]

mindbody wrote...

Some Geth wrote...

HTTP 404 wrote...

Some Geth wrote...

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

thatbwoyblu wrote...

I want Dragon Age to be more like God of War because I love god of war.Forget that old choppy RPG style its time for RPGs to have style.I am pretty sure OP is a internet thug from RPG Codex.What up Gangster!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I once played God of War for several minutes.  I can't understand how that game is fun at all, even for a moment.

So you die a lot?

I like Sylvius but I swear he probably likes math equations.

Wow now I feel sorry for him=].

Sylvius likes to roleplay. There's no reason to feel sorry for him.
Edit: What's wrong with liking math equations, anyways?  You'd think people who post on a cRPG forum might appreciate a little geekiness.

I love math equations. It seems odd to me that you'd play a game descending from DnD and not like math even a little. Regardless, I feel that Sylvius pretty much always voices what I want to say before I've actually said it, so I'll leave my opinions on how I'd like things to be for him to say.

In regards to the article, I am sad. Around the time DA2 was originally announced and we learned of the paraphrased dialogue options and voiced protagonist, I was angry, but I've realized that anger isn't really constructive. I've preordered the game and I will, probably, even enjoy it a bit. I just find it a bit depressing that games like Origins are not really being made anymore. It's kind of like watching Roman Holiday and adoring it only to realize that movies like that are no longer part of the movie industry(which is terribly disappointing). I mean, there are plenty of games that will be made that will have a similar feel to DA2 because it's what sells. However, the one company that could make an amazing game that actually allowed me to play a game that felt like a pen and paper game without requiring plans to be made a week in advance or going out to a game store. Truly, this is a shame.

I could go on, but I just received an email that my copy of DA2 was just shipped. Neat.

[mindbody]

Passivehate wrote...

mindbody wrote...

Some Geth wrote...

HTTP 404 wrote...

Some Geth wrote...

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

thatbwoyblu wrote...

I want Dragon Age to be more like God of War because I love god of war.Forget that old choppy RPG style its time for RPGs to have style.I am pretty sure OP is a internet thug from RPG Codex.What up Gangster!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I once played God of War for several minutes.  I can't understand how that game is fun at all, even for a moment.

So you die a lot?

I like Sylvius but I swear he probably likes math equations.

Wow now I feel sorry for him=].

Sylvius likes to roleplay. There's no reason to feel sorry for him.
Edit: What's wrong with liking math equations, anyways?  You'd think people who post on a cRPG forum might appreciate a little geekiness.

I love math equations. It seems odd to me that you'd play a game descending from DnD and not like math even a little. Regardless, I feel that Sylvius pretty much always voices what I want to say before I've actually said it, so I'll leave my opinions on how I'd like things to be for him to say.

In regards to the article, I am sad. Around the time DA2 was originally announced and we learned of the paraphrased dialogue options and voiced protagonist, I was angry, but I've realized that anger isn't really constructive. I've preordered the game and I will, probably, even enjoy it a bit. I just find it a bit depressing that games like Origins are not really being made anymore. It's kind of like watching Roman Holiday and adoring it only to realize that movies like that are no longer part of the movie industry(which is terribly disappointing). I mean, there are plenty of games that will be made that will have a similar feel to DA2 because it's what sells. However, the one company that could make an amazing game that actually allowed me to play a game that felt like a pen and paper game without requiring plans to be made a week in advance or going out to a game store. Truly, this is a shame.

I could go on, but I just received an email that my copy of DA2 was just shipped. Neat.

Spot on.

[Yamsandjams]

Passivehate wrote...

However, the one company that could make an amazing game that actually allowed me to play a game that felt like a pen and paper game without requiring plans to be made a week in advance or going out to a game store. Truly, this is a shame.

Until they give you the capabilities to strip naked and attempt to seduce the Archdemon with lavender candles and rose petals, no game will ever have the freedom you can get from PnP games like D&D. In fact, I don't think they'll be able to accomplish that until we have things like holodecks from Star Trek.

[mindbody]

MaxxBeav wrote...

I remember playing the original D&D back in the 70’s, so yes, I am an old timer at role playing games. Like most engineering types, I also love my home built desktop pc. Does Dragon Age 2 look like it is built for console gamers? It sure seems that way based on the demo. But it makes sense that the industry is moving that way.

Most logical people would throw done three hundred bucks for a console system rather than a few thousand for a home built gaming pc. I can see how that is going to drive gaming company decisions. Heck, I’m still glad there are pc versions – thank you laptop owners.

Does that mean I am not getting this game? Nope - I bought the pre-release edition like everyone else to get all of the goodies. Dragon Age Origins was probably the best computer role playing game I have ever played. . If the game still has a good story and there are still strategic elements to it, then I can put up with a different interface.

Bottom line, if it is still fun to play like Origins – works for me. If it becomes another shooter, guess I better get ready for that old folks home…

A few thousand?

[Passivehate]

Yamsandjams wrote...

Passivehate wrote...

However, the one company that could make an amazing game that actually allowed me to play a game that felt like a pen and paper game without requiring plans to be made a week in advance or going out to a game store. Truly, this is a shame.

Until they give you the capabilities to strip naked and attempt to seduce the Archdemon with lavender candles and rose petals, no game will ever have the freedom you can get from PnP games like D&D. In fact, I don't think they'll be able to accomplish that until we have things like holodecks from Star Trek.

Unfortunately, that is the case. D: However, I meant that, when playing, I would sometimes think that I could do that sort of thing if I wanted to. On the bright side, your party sounds fun.

[Yamsandjams]

mindbody wrote...

MaxxBeav wrote...

I remember playing the original D&D back in the 70’s, so yes, I am an old timer at role playing games. Like most engineering types, I also love my home built desktop pc. Does Dragon Age 2 look like it is built for console gamers? It sure seems that way based on the demo. But it makes sense that the industry is moving that way.

Most logical people would throw done three hundred bucks for a console system rather than a few thousand for a home built gaming pc. I can see how that is going to drive gaming company decisions. Heck, I’m still glad there are pc versions – thank you laptop owners.

Does that mean I am not getting this game? Nope - I bought the pre-release edition like everyone else to get all of the goodies. Dragon Age Origins was probably the best computer role playing game I have ever played. . If the game still has a good story and there are still strategic elements to it, then I can put up with a different interface.

Bottom line, if it is still fun to play like Origins – works for me. If it becomes another shooter, guess I better get ready for that old folks home…

A few thousand?

My new rig last year was 3 grand, but I hadn't had one in 6 years.  When you go from a GTS 7900 series to a GTX 480, you feel like a new man... well, when you're playing your comp, at least.

[Whitering]

Well, for me Planescape and Baldur's Gate hold such dear places in my memory because of the stories and NPC interactions. Baldur's Gate had NPCs that would try to kill each other.

Now, I love the story of Jade Empire and the NPCs were first rate, though, as many have said, the game play was pretty simplistic. Same thing with KotOR 1 & 2, but I loved them both. Dragon Age had a decent story overall but several of the Origin stories were amazing. Unfortunately the brilliant origins were distilled by the lack of continuity as the game wore on. A city elf that hated humans had no ability to regularly express that hate as the game wore on, as an example. The return to Ostagar of the dwarven noble wasn't all it could have been.

I don't know about the story of DA2 v DAO or any of the aforementioned games. How it will measure up is unclear. My first character through DAO was a female human noble and I was blown away. If the demo serves as a large part of the introduction to DA2...well, let's just say underwhelmed will be the most charitable thing I will have to say about it.

So, I think the article was problematic. The tactical story-rich RPGs of the past have largely disappeared. That is lamentable but there are pretty good tactical games and there are pretty good story games. When the two will hook up again, I've no idea. Hopefully the story of DA2 will deliver the quality I am used to from Bioware, but I wonder if the DA team lost any of its key writers to TOR. Awakening was certainly not to the same quality as any of the origin stories of DAO.

ME 2 had a decent story and some good NPC interaction. I would have preferred a little more interaction between Tali & Garrus, along with more commentary between them and Ashley, Kaidan and Liara but Jack and Miranda's relationship wasn't great. I for one really missed the elevator rides because they added interaction between the NPCs. DAO with its trigger points are probably the best bet going forward.

All in all, for me RPGs are about the story. There are plenty of well written books I do not enjoy and maybe DA2 will fall into a similar category. Had it not been for the origin stories in DAO I likely would only find that game to be mediocre.

Modifié par Whitering, 05 mars 2011 - 04:03 .

[Wrathra]

Merced652 wrote...

I've actually been hunting around for a copy of win98 to throw on an old p4 i have sitting around. Would use it to play the hell out of mechwarrior 2 and the early ultimas.

How far back do you want to go with the Ultimas? There are patches(probably not the right word)that emulate a win98 pc that let you run them in the new operating systems.

If you know about that already, though, ignore me 

[the_one_54321]

Math equations are awesome.

[mindbody]

Yamsandjams wrote...

cw8 wrote...

PhrosniteAgainROFL wrote...

"Evolve or perish."

All classic RPGs are dead.

I doubt anyone who likes classic RPGs will evolve, neither will they perish.

Also considering the fact that indie "classic RPGs" sold well, and coming out of some newer studios who formed from the older studios. You can say not all classic RPGs are dead.

There is a marked fear of change amongst the general population. Some old school gamers don't like "their" games messed with. I don't know why they bother with any new games instead of play their old ones all the time though, if that's the case. A lot of them are still really fun to play, too. Besides, people would just complain about new games being clones of old games and lacking any originality if they did try to satisfy these setiments... in other words, there's no way developers can win, so they'll just do what they do.

As for me, everything's been on a direct downhill since PacMan, but I got over it. Bring it on, 21st century.

No one was complaining about DA:O being a clone of Baldur's Gate. You're far over-simplifying people's positions. You act like nothing good in a game should ever be retained or repeated, that we must forever march towards the new even if it isn't as good. Edit: typos.

Modifié par mindbody, 05 mars 2011 - 04:42 .

[Derrp]

I enjoy the combat way more in ME2 than the first one

But I had 0 problem with DA:O's combat ... It reminded me a lot of NW nights and Baldur's Gate

The times are a changing though ... the old school is pretty much dead .. gaming got a lot bigger .. catering to less popular game types = less money

Making a game that has a cult following and is praised up and down by hardcore rpg players is way less profitable than a shorter, shallower, more mainstream game ( DA 2 ) .. so we can be really bitter and knock everything new or we can accept this is how things are just going to be from now on and we can really celebrate that occasional gem that reminds you more of the old rpg's

[Graunt]

The article is completely wrong in regards to pausing being pointless.  At the speed in which the game plays, there's a night and day difference when you have a chance to actually assess the situation and to line up area of effect abilities using two characters at once, especially if you are anticipating them running in a specific direction after the first hit.  This is simply not possible to do in real time.  They need to try playing on something higher than Normal (which is Origins "Casual" setting).

The graphics are also better on the PC with the DirectX 11 options enabled, none of which are seen in the demo.  I can't argue about recycled scenery or the level designs though...they are built around funneling the player.

But I had 0 problem with DA:O's combat ... It reminded me a lot of NW nights and Baldur's Gate

And that's the problem.  

Baldur's Gate/TotSC, Baldur's Gate 2/Throne of Bhaal/Icewind Dale (and all expansions)/Torment/Neverwinter Nights (and all expansions), Neverwinter Nights 2 (and all expansions) and Dragon Age (and all expansions) virtually all played exactly the same.

I enjoy the combat way more in ME2 than the first one

Yep, other than the butchering they did to biotics, ME2 had vastly improved gameplay/replayability.  The story and impact of the first game was greater though.

Modifié par Graunt, 05 mars 2011 - 05:46 .

[Yamsandjams]

mindbody wrote...

Yamsandjams wrote...

cw8 wrote...

PhrosniteAgainROFL wrote...

"Evolve or perish."

All classic RPGs are dead.

I doubt anyone who likes classic RPGs will evolve, neither will they perish.

Also considering the fact that indie "classic RPGs" sold well, and coming out of some newer studios who formed from the older studios. You can say not all classic RPGs are dead.

There is a marked fear of change amongst the general population. Some old school gamers don't like "their" games messed with. I don't know why they bother with any new games instead of play their old ones all the time though, if that's the case. A lot of them are still really fun to play, too. Besides, people would just complain about new games being clones of old games and lacking any originality if they did try to satisfy these setiments... in other words, there's no way developers can win, so they'll just do what they do.

As for me, everything's been on a direct downhill since PacMan, but I got over it. Bring it on, 21st century.

No one was complaining about DA:O being a clone of Baldur's Gate. You're far over-simplifying people's positions. You act like nothing good in a game should ever be retained or repeated, that we must forever march towards the new even if it isn't as good. Edit: typos.

Pardon, what I meant to imply was that I find people tend to be quite reactionary in their response to anything that's new about a game, but you can also have similar complaints about games not being new enough. I was also implying that people seem to like to complain just to complain.

Just because something is new or has new features doesn't mean it should be immediately branded as lesser quality. If it's too different, people don't like it, as lots of complaints about DA2 (which hasn't even been released beyond a rough demo version) seem to focus around. If it's not different enough, people don't like it, which was the case with NWN2 utilizing a very similar engine, combat system, and overall game mechanic to NWN1 (although there was a plethora of other problems with NWN2 initially). You also see every new MMO out there being labelled as WoW clones before they're even played. The only reason those good cRPGs existed in the first place was because game developers kept trying to do new things, and I hope they keep trying to change everything up now and again despite any failures. Those games weren't good because they tried to adhere to tried and tested forumlas, they were creative trend-setters in their own right. Bioware is as good a choice for any developer to keep pushing the envelope.

[craigdolphin]

elektrego wrote...

what you call decline, I call evolution! :ph34r:oh, well...

Interesting: what you call evolution I call mutation.

Primarily with regard to the combat and environments/darkspawn, the article resonates with me. I'm buying the game, still. Make no mistake. But I am doing that solely based on my belief that Bioware will still make it come good in the end. It's a step of trust based on all their games to date. If it turns out I'm as dissappointed as I think I may be, then Bioware won't be tempting me to pre-order DA3+. But, we'll see how it goes I guess.

[Graunt]

craigdolphin wrote...

elektrego wrote...

what you call decline, I call evolution! :ph34r:oh, well...

Interesting: what you call evolution I call mutation.

That's literally the same thing.

[chaosapiant]

A good game is a good game regardless of features.  Old school RPGs are great, but what's the point of moving backwards?  Nothing will ever beat Baldur's Gate, Planescape, or Fallout, so why try, when with technology and creativity we can move forwards.  I don't play a game as list of "features."  Again, a good game is a good game.

Modifié par chaosapiant, 05 mars 2011 - 06:06 .

[Sylvius the Mad]

Some Geth wrote...

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

I once
played God of War for several minutes.  I can't understand how that
game is fun at all, even for a moment.

So you die a lot?[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/whistling.png[/smilie]

I honestly don't remember.   The game failed so utterly to be interesting that I have almost no memory of it.

HTTP 404 wrote...

I like Sylvius but I swear he probably likes math equations.

Math equations are puzzles.  I like solving puzzles.

Even more fun that solving them is building them.  Designing an equation to describe a phenomenon accurately.  Or parsing language into its formal logical structure.  I'm exceptionally good at that.

[Sylvius the Mad]

chaosapiant wrote...

A good game is a good game regardless of features.  Old school RPGs are great, but what's the point of moving backwards?  Nothing will ever beat Baldur's Gate, Planescape, or Fallout, so why try, when with technology and creativity we can move forwards.  I don't play a game as list of "features."  Again, a good game is a good game.

If I show you two paintings, is it possible for them to be identical in every way but one, and that one difference is that one of them is a good painting and the other is not?

Of course not.  Whether the painting is dependent upon the painting's other characteristics.

While I will not dispute your tautological claim that a good game is a good game, whether any given game is good is determined by its features.

Modifié par Sylvius the Mad, 05 mars 2011 - 06:28 .

[DragonRageGT]

Read just the OP and a few replies which I think repeats through the thread. Good thing that now fan-atics have not only some players who dislike what's been done to Dragon Age to bash. Now they can bash some magazines articles as well.

Well, I agree with what is pasted in OP. And I say that 10 years from now, I will still be playing Gothic 1 and 2, Risen, DA:Origins, The Witcher and very likely TW2 and Risen 2, while DA2 will not even be in the shelf or backup drive of almost any gamer!

There are bands, games, movies, books, etc. that will live forever or way past their era while there are others that will grab a quick cash and disappear in the dust of history!