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[Monica83]

I agree with the article im laughting in face that says dragon age 2 is evolved.. Nah its not...
Its a short rushed game with medium graphic and silly hack and slash gameplay.. Much more linear than the first tittle.. With a horrific dialogue system...

Graphic:
Awesome all is so flashy and shiny but (did you see the witcher 2 and skyrim?)
Animation (horrific demential and cartoonish kills totally the immersion)
Race and Qunari Design ( well the elves looks like the navy from pandora just take the fenris pic paint it blue add yellow eyes and a tail... Qunari are nice)
Forced to be human
Dialogue ala mass effect:(kill the immersion and don't give you the possibility to build the psyche of your character)
Shorter than origins
Static Companion outfits...
All classess al equal(and they wanted to keep them distinct but now are similiar with skills and much more static)
The exageration never ends ( darkspawn explode in pieces when backstabbing also in the don't exagerate part)
Over the top ability: A dwarf that shot a rain of dart with a crossbow pleeease

In the end:
You played origins and you see all those features cut down from the first game.. All so excited for a voiced character but not worryed to see a roleplay game cutted down of roleplay elements....

And you can use words like: Improved? Evolution?

Maybe in the planet of monkeys

[Merced652]

Anathemic wrote...

Merced652 wrote...

lol some bro is in this thread talking about 1500 pcs and replacing every 3 years LOLOL.

Hm? My PC was was less than 800 (Moniter, Windows 7, Keyboard, Speakers, Mouse, already have) and I consider it a high end PC atleast on the very minimum. I can run games on max settings and ultra on SC2 even on Ladder games (SC2 is serious business).

Thats what i'm saying, some guy was in here trolling about how expensive pc gaming is when you can build a pc with high end specs for less than 800.

On a completely unrelated note, as for consoles being kid safe. I have a solution that is also good for the planet. DON'T HAVE KIDS.

Modifié par Merced652, 06 mars 2011 - 02:25 .

[Mantaal]

Monica83 wrote...

I agree with the article im laughting in face that says dragon age 2 is evolved.. Nah its not...
Its a short rushed game with medium graphic and silly hack and slash gameplay.. Much more linear than the first tittle.. With a horrific dialogue system...

Graphic:
Awesome all is so flashy and shiny but (did you see the witcher 2 and skyrim?)
Animation (horrific demential and cartoonish kills totally the immersion)
Race and Qunari Design ( well the elves looks like the navy from pandora just take the fenris pic paint it blue add yellow eyes and a tail... Qunari are nice)
Forced to be human
Dialogue ala mass effect:(kill the immersion and don't give you the possibility to build the psyche of your character)
Shorter than origins
Static Companion outfits...
All classess al equal(and they wanted to keep them distinct but now are similiar with skills and much more static)
The exageration never ends ( darkspawn explode in pieces when backstabbing also in the don't exagerate part)
Over the top ability: A dwarf that shot a rain of dart with a crossbow pleeease

In the end:
You played origins and you see all those features cut down from the first game.. All so excited for a voiced character but not worryed to see a roleplay game cutted down of roleplay elements....

And you can use words like: Improved? Evolution?

Maybe in the planet of monkeys

Well its like you go to someone chop off his legs and say "Stop Crying! I just envolved you! Its much better now.":)
They did take alot away from DA:O and didnt add very much. 

Btw what up with all that "Nostalgia" crap the peoples talking about here the past 30 pages? DA:O is ist a year away from me. Nostalgia already? The peoples come up with older Rollplaying games to tell what they want.
They want another Rollplaying game and Bioware is known for some real good ones.
Well now Bioware seems to dont want to make anymore RPGs. Thats fine to me.. sad but fine. But they should not try to sell a RPG if they dont have one to offer.
That no wonder the peoples here are complaining and confused. Its like Halo 5 would be a Battlechess Clone.

I dont think it has anything to do with Nostalgia. Peoples just want a new RPG. And the RPG marked is not an old thing you Grandpa tells you about. Its real and its here today. If Bioware dont want to care about that marked, someone else will do that.
The future will be intresting. We will see who will be the next King of Rollplaying games since Bioware gives his title away for free.

Modifié par Mantaal, 06 mars 2011 - 03:15 .

[Medhia Nox]

And you're still all going to buy it.

[ckangaroo70]

I was playing "RPG's" on my commadore 64 back in the 80's before most folks on here were probably even born. I have heard this same gripe for the last 25 years everytime a new "RPG" comes out. "This is the end of RPG's as we know it!" In my opinion the very most important thing that any good "RPG" I ever played was that it had to tell a good story(Neverwinter Knights, Kings Quest, Morrowwind, Planescape Torment, Chrono Trigger, etc.). A well written tale and history was an absolute must! It also needed to be fun to manage the combat and the player needed to be able to direct the character or party develpment, but do it in a way that was not too techy or boring except for the die hard D&D bunch like the later Pool of Radiance was. However... the older Pool of Radiance for the Com 64 was fun but the later one that was out around 2000 was way to slow IMO. So although the format for DA2 appears to have changed...Bioware has never dissapointed me yet in regards to good story telling and character development options There have been dozens and dozens of different approaches to doing RPG's over the years by different developers with some good results and some bad results.
Back in 1999... Ultima IX Ascension came out and I remember thinking back then how that game was so far ahead of its time in how it told a good story through cinematic cut scenes like DA and MA and how good of a job the game designers did at making the player feel as though he were helping to shape that adventure as it moved along.(That game would have been a perfect 100 out of 100 IMO if it had not been for the bugs)
Now you name a "RPG" that has been made for the PC for the last 25 years and there is a good chance I have played it. Thus far I rate bioware games right at the top as far as really feeling satisfied and a real since of accomplishment when finishing one of their titles like MA 1 or MA 2 or DAO or DAA. My favorite game to this day is still Fallout 1 even though I own all of them that have been released and all the expansions, but I remember thinking the first time I played that game back in the late 90's that the format seemed a bit weird, but it turned out to be my favorite PC game of all time, but not since Ultima IX have I thought to myself that "This game is way ahead of the pack!" Well these Bioware games like Dragon Age and Mass Effect are a bit ahead of there time and ahead of the pack in the way they tell a story in a way that really makes you care about what happens to people in the story(excluding the brother who gets killed off a few minutes into the demo who we never got a chance to get attatched to). I even cared about having to dispatch old Flemeth! There are games like Deus Ex or even my Fallout 3 or New Vegas that make you care about the hero, but everybody else is just cannon fodder. In Mass Effect and Dragon Age....I find myself interested in what happens to every single person I come across. Now that is a real accomplishment, because over the years I always looked at NPC's as human shields and never worried much about their fate, but bioware has done an exceptional job making every person you come across potentially important at some point. Anyhow my point is that judgement as to whether DA2 is a true RPG or not should be reserved until the story is completed and whether you feel you had a vested part in shaping that story through lots of character choices when the game is ended. I have the feeling it will be a very satisfying 50-60 hours of gameplay with a good story that will leave you begging for a DA3.

[borelocin]

If you look at the old forums for Baldur's Gate 2 (now widely regarded as the gold standard for RPGs) it was being rubbished by many forumites at the time.

If nothing ever changed, we'd all still be squatting in caves shagging our cousins and eating raw mammoth "The original cave didn't have fire ! Fire is causing the decline of the classic cave !"

Modifié par borelocin, 06 mars 2011 - 03:16 .

[Siven80]

borelocin wrote...

If you look at the old forums for Baldur's Gate 2 (now widely regarded as the gold standard for RPGs) it was being rubbished by many forumites at the time.

If nothing ever changed, we'd all still be squatting in caves shagging our cousins and eating raw mammoth "The original cave didn't have fire ! Fire is causing the decline of the classic cave !"

nice

[Mantaal]

Medhia Nox wrote...

And you're still all going to buy it.

Maybe in 2 Years if there is an Special Edition for 20€ in Walmarkt. And only because i want to know the little story they got in this mindless Hack&Slay game for kids

[Monica83]

Nha i don't think i will buy it after played the demo i open my eyes and i prefear whait some other titles... For mi this "sequel" its not dragon age and im not interested at it...

Its sad see a game with his own identity and depth turned in a mass effect with sword and dinasty warrior animations

[ckangaroo70]

Mantaal wrote...

Medhia Nox wrote...

And you're still all going to buy it.

Maybe in 2 Years if there is an Special Edition for 20€ in Walmarkt. And only because i want to know the little story they got in this mindless Hack&Slay game for kids

Well you sure make me feel better at being 40. If Hack&Slay makes you feel young...I AM ALL IN! YAHOO!!

[Monica83]

ckan this is the most funny answer i ever read.. i can't answer to you you made me laught so hard lol

[Jusme10]

I agree with Jonzz.......It's just ONE person voicing HIS opinion and as for me, I'm not letting someone's opinion decide whether something is good or not. I can reach my own.

[Jitter]

Medhia Nox wrote...

And you're still all going to buy it.

Not a chance , on principle alone.

Shame , i liked the first one , it stood out from the crowd.
Now the game is just trying to fit in , with all the rest.

The value of DAO was what seperated it from the other "whack a mole" games available in the market. 

Often similies are used now with DA2 , like this game , more like that game . 
DAO was only comparible with titles from BioWare past. 
"classic" titles.  Now use a similie with any other push and swing title, and you can describe DA2. 

That is not evolution of a genre of gaming. 
It is abandonment of a proven and much loved style of play , that took the best elements of old D&D play. Where people would roll dice , and a narator would lead the players through . Which had problems of it's own as i recall as a young boy. Cheating  i need a re roll .. Crazy DM's whatever. 

The computer took away all of the elemets of cheating , dice rolls , waiting for a player to come back from the bathroom ... whatever.. 

And did allow more imersion into the best part of the story , because it was your story , your decisions , you building a character, making decisions , none of that is really captured in "Every button push does something awsome!"

DA expanded the potential of believing in the game world, by adding dimention to the gameplay . The sexuality of the characters , and how they interact, over an adventure was new novel , added depth .

Those are features that add to the game in a way that  blue pixels exploding on each dagger strike, or some ninja smoke teleportation can't . 

They took things away.   Anything after that acknowledgment is justification. 
  

[Monica83]

Jusme10 wrote...

I agree with Jonzz.......It's just ONE person voicing HIS opinion and as for me, I'm not letting someone's opinion decide whether something is good or not. I can reach my own.

and we don't ask you to change your decision but when someone say: improved or Evolution you mean things better and dragon age 2 have much more lacks than better things...

[Jitter]

ckangaroo70 wrote...

I was playing "RPG's" on my commadore 64 back in the 80's before most folks on here were probably even born. 

Buddy im with ya ...

Questron ....
Ultima......
Adventure....

Hell i spent hours just trying to see if i could kill "Lord British"

I dont need graphics .
I need Epic Story , with balanced progression.
Keep the every button push , replace that with "Every Decision can lead someplace awsome"
Im there.

[didymos1120]

Mantaal wrote...

Well its like you go to someone chop off his legs and say "Stop Crying! I just envolved you! Its much better now.":)

[Jusme10]

Monica83 wrote...

Jusme10 wrote...

I agree with Jonzz.......It's just ONE person voicing HIS opinion and as for me, I'm not letting someone's opinion decide whether something is good or not. I can reach my own.

and we don't ask you to change your decision but when someone say: improved or Evolution you mean things better and dragon age 2 have much more lacks than better things...

No by all means, I just make my own decisions. Many ppl are mislead by what someone else says before checking it out for themselves. Improved, enhanced, or evolved, it can be all good or all bad...I still prefer to reach my own opinion.

[ckangaroo70]

I will admit that the fighting is faster paced and you might think you were playing Guild Wars for a moment in the opening action scene in demo, but IMO it still comes down to the story and abillity to help shape the story or at least make you feel like you helped to shape the story due to your wise choices regarding direction and character development. If you have ever played Guild Wars and I do have alll of those as well, but they are to me what you would consider hack&slash. You basicly just mindlessly hack your way from treasure chest to treasure chest and from point A to point B without getting resurected more then maybe 50 or 60 times by some hero NPC that you are more then happy to see take a knife in the back on your behalf. They have little cut scenes in there, but when Prince Rurik gets killed in the cut scene it is like...."Oh well...on to the next!" They just don't tell there story or make you really feel that what you do will in any way impact the way that story ends or turns out. Duke Nukem and even Half-Life and games like that are basicly you are just worrying about getting yourself to point A or B in one piece and to heck with everybody else! The story is the same no matter who makes it through. In DA or MA you have so much more vested interest in seeing the story play out good for yourself, but also for your companions because you find yourself having some attatchment to their lives. Takes a bit more thought to try to create good outcomes for everybody instead of just mindless hacking and slashing to keep yourself alive. Anyhow...I can see where the hack&slash label might come from, but I just doubt if it will be in the same category as any hack&slash I have ever played. I do believe that everyone is entitled to an opinion, but I just wonder if some folks might not be jumping the gun a bit in labeling this game a non RPG. I beleive it is still RPG....just maybe on steroids! It will still be fun I am sure and I have no problem saying something sucks if it sucks. I have a whole shelf full of suck games that I have paid good money for and would have been better spent on my kids college fund, but I have not purchased a bad Bioware or Bethesda title yet and I don't think DA2 will be the first.

[ckangaroo70]

Jitter wrote...

ckangaroo70 wrote...

I was playing "RPG's" on my commadore 64 back in the 80's before most folks on here were probably even born. 

Buddy im with ya ...

Questron ....
Ultima......
Adventure....

Hell i spent hours just trying to see if i could kill "Lord British"

I dont need graphics .
I need Epic Story , with balanced progression.
Keep the every button push , replace that with "Every Decision can lead someplace awsome"
Im there.

We need to start an "Old Coots" thread!LOL

[ckangaroo70]

And while I am at it........"Get the hell off my lawn you young whipper snappers!"

[Morroian]

Monica83 wrote...

Jusme10 wrote...

I agree with Jonzz.......It's just ONE person voicing HIS opinion and as for me, I'm not letting someone's opinion decide whether something is good or not. I can reach my own.

and we don't ask you to change your decision but when someone say: improved or Evolution you mean things better and dragon age 2 have much more lacks than better things...

Thats a matter of opinion and IMHO no it doesn't, overall it looks like an improvement at this stage.

[AlanC9]

Graunt wrote...


Notice, you say $1100 "not including a monitor".  LCD tech is really shoddy and you can't get a decent resolution "fast" monitor that lasts for a long time.  You'll have to buy a new monitor every 3-4 years too, so you can't act like that's not a factor.

That sounds like an argument for not going to an LCD monitor, actually.

As for the rest, I guess it depends on what you mean by "up to date."

[Medhia Nox]

We should go back to text based RPGs. Those really were superior.

[mr_nameless]

What so now RPGs "have" to be like DA2? Broaden your horizons.
Some text RPGs are still doing quite well, though a niche of course.
There are many kinds of RPGs and DA2 just happens to be a Cinematic Action RPG, thats all. You either like the genre or hate it. Personally I prefer a bird eyes view slow paced tactical RPG.

[AlanC9]

Jitter wrote...
The computer took away all of the elemets of cheating , dice rolls , waiting for a player to come back from the bathroom ... whatever.. 

And did allow more imersion into the best part of the story , because it was your story , your decisions , you building a character, making decisions , none of that is really captured in "Every button push does something awsome!"

DA expanded the potential of believing in the game world, by adding dimention to the gameplay . The sexuality of the characters , and how they interact, over an adventure was new novel , added depth .

Those are features that add to the game in a way that  blue pixels exploding on each dagger strike, or some ninja smoke teleportation can't . 

They took things away.   Anything after that acknowledgment is justification. 
  

Ummm.... what did they take away? I get that you've got a problem, but not what caused it.