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[metalcraze33]

My friend keeps saying she is.

Modifié par metalcraze33, 08 novembre 2013 - 06:39 .

[caradoc2000]

It hasn't been confirmed, lots of speculation, tho.

[Ferretinabun]

It's not mentioned in the game, but I think it might be in the books (I haven't read them). But yes, your logic holds.

[sylvanaerie]

The game says one mom, the book "The Calling" suggests another. It's all up to player speculation though, even Gaider hasn't fessed up who the Mom is.

[wickedgoodreed]

In The Calling, King Maric has a child with an elven mage named Fiona. Fiona tells Maric that she doesn't want their son to know who she is since having an elf and a mage for a mother would be a burden to him. Maric agrees to keep it a secret.

There's speculation that their son is in fact Alistair. If that's the case, that would mean that Goldanna and Alistair aren't actually related and that Goldanna's mother was just used as an elaborate cover story to hide Alistair's true heritage.

If Fiona is not Alistair's mother and Maric actually had three sons, then there's another potential threat to throne still out there and as of yet unidentified.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Goldanna confirms that Maric had sex with her mom, so if Allister isn't her bastard royal brother, somebody else is.

[caradoc2000]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

Goldanna confirms that Maric had sex with her mom

Sex does not necessarily imply a child, though.

[DPSSOC]

caradoc2000 wrote...

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

Goldanna confirms that Maric had sex with her mom

Sex does not necessarily imply a child, though.

Goldanna also says that Alistairs mother died giving birth to him.  It's kind of hard to fake a pregnancy.  So I'm inclined to think that that was Alistairs mother as the other options I can come up with are just wrong.

[DPSSOC]

blast you double post

Modifié par DPSSOC, 06 mars 2011 - 12:57 .

[Zalocx]

DPSSOC wrote...

caradoc2000 wrote...

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

Goldanna confirms that Maric had sex with her mom

Sex does not necessarily imply a child, though.

Goldanna also says that Alistairs mother died giving birth to him.  It's kind of hard to fake a pregnancy.  So I'm inclined to think that that was Alistairs mother as the other options I can come up with are just wrong.

Goldanna also said she was told that the baby died at birth, perhaps the child really did if we assume that wasn't Alistair

[Mox Ruuga]

wickedgoodreed wrote...

In The Calling, King Maric has a child with an elven mage named Fiona. Fiona tells Maric that she doesn't want their son to know who she is since having an elf and a mage for a mother would be a burden to him. Maric agrees to keep it a secret.

There's speculation that their son is in fact Alistair. If that's the case, that would mean that Goldanna and Alistair aren't actually related and that Goldanna's mother was just used as an elaborate cover story to hide Alistair's true heritage.

If Fiona is not Alistair's mother and Maric actually had three sons, then there's another potential threat to throne still out there and as of yet unidentified.

There's also the fact that Duncan promises to keep an eye out for Fiona's kid. He certainly took an interest in Alistair once he ended up unhappy in the Templars. And just how otherwise would some Grey Warden know that Arl Eamon's former foster child was actually Maric's bastard, when even Isolde was left in the dark?

[sylvanaerie]

Alistair told him. He doesn't elaborate that Duncan knew beforehand. Plus, Alistair was in the Chantry for 10 years.   I hardly call that 'taking an interest' in the boy.  

I'm of the camp of "wait and see". Why would Goldanna claim (as a child at the time of Alistair's birth) that he was the king's bastard if her mother hadn't told her? Of course she could be lying to him when he sees her in Denerim but why? It wouldn't be that hard to corroborate her story.

I believe it was meant to be vague and we will be kept in the dark deliberately unless they plan on dropping us another little nugget in subsequent chapters of the game. As the focus seems to be shifting away from Ferelden and the Warden, I don't hold out much hope of having that question ever answered.

But it is fun to speculate.

Modifié par sylvanaerie, 06 mars 2011 - 06:47 .

[Sabariel]

If you go by Word of Book Alistair's mother is an elven mage Grey Warden. If you go by Word of Game Alistair's mother is a maid. Pick whichever one you like

[DPSSOC]

Zalocx wrote...

DPSSOC wrote...
Goldanna also says that Alistairs mother died giving birth to him.  It's kind of hard to fake a pregnancy.  So I'm inclined to think that that was Alistairs mother as the other options I can come up with are just wrong.

Goldanna also said she was told that the baby died at birth, perhaps the child really did if we assume that wasn't Alistair

Which falls into the "just wrong" category I mentioned.  Best case scenario a Redcliffe maid got pregnant, claimed it was Maric's, both died giving birth, and all parties decided to tell Alistair that was his mother (just wrong).  Worst case scenario Maric got a Redcliffe maid pregnant, murdered both the woman and the baby, and decided to tell Alistair that was his mother.

Actually I guess best case scenario is Alistair was told who his father was (why I don't know) and told that his mother was just some Redcliffe maid who died giving birth.  He later heard about Goldana's mother (how I don't know) and just assumed that was the maid in question.

I'm inclined to think that Goldana's mother is Alistair's and the child from the books is here-to unknown.

[Noir_Skye]

wickedgoodreed wrote...

In The Calling, King Maric has a child with an elven mage named Fiona. Fiona tells Maric that she doesn't want their son to know who she is since having an elf and a mage for a mother would be a burden to him. Maric agrees to keep it a secret.

There's speculation that their son is in fact Alistair. If that's the case, that would mean that Goldanna and Alistair aren't actually related and that Goldanna's mother was just used as an elaborate cover story to hide Alistair's true heritage.

If Fiona is not Alistair's mother and Maric actually had three sons, then there's another potential threat to throne still out there and as of yet unidentified.

I believe there is a third son out there.  Goldanna and Alistair have the same mother.  If Fiona is Alistair's mother, wouldn't Eamon know that.  He took Alistair in to protect his sister (Maric's wife) from the knowledge of a bastard child.   Considering the way city elves and Dalish are treated by most humans,  hiding him out at Redcliffe doesn't seem like enough.  There will be a challenge to the throne.  This son or Alistair's son with Morrigan if he performed ritual.

DA2 talks  of the land on the brink of war.  If Anders can bring down the Chantry. . . if mages are aloud to have titles and have nobles swear loyality oaths to them (a possiblity in Awakening), then why wouldn't a half elven mage want to claim the throne.

And we still have to figure out what  Flemeth's connection  is in all of this.

Modifié par Noir_Skye, 06 mars 2011 - 06:03 .

[xzxzxz701]

You also have to remember the "favor" Maric had to do with Flemeth inside her hut, and many people think he got Flemeth pregnant. If thats the case, Morrigan could be Maric's child, and Alistair's half sister.

[Noir_Skye]

xzxzxz701 wrote...

You also have to remember the "favor" Maric had to do with Flemeth inside her hut, and many people think he got Flemeth pregnant. If thats the case, Morrigan could be Maric's child, and Alistair's half sister.

That would certainly complicate things.

Modifié par Noir_Skye, 06 mars 2011 - 06:04 .

[sylvanaerie]

Only on those playthroughs when Alistair does it. Remember PC and Loghain are also viable options. And considering the nasty can of worms some people tried to open up about DA2 and Hawke/Carver/Bethany incetuous pairings, which Bioware shot down, it isn't even a consideration in my head that that is possible.

[Noir_Skye]

I know incest won't be considered. Flemeth is behind the scenes pulling strings . . . but, to what end.

[evil jr guy]

in the book of calling Fiona was a grey warden so that bring up the question can wardens actually have
children also look at this link confirming that Fiona was a grey warden http://dragonage.wik...ge:_The_Calling

Modifié par evil jr guy, 21 septembre 2013 - 12:54 .

[Fuggyt]

I've always assumed that Goldanna's story was the truth, especially since it jibed with what Alistair told me the first time we visited Redcliffe. I don't accept speculation based on the books as canon. I know I'll probably get flamed for this, but I read "The Calling" and I thought it was just terrible. I tried to read "The Stolen Throne" and I simply couldn't digest it. Sorry, Mr. Gaider, I love your games, but 300 pages of your prose makes my eyes bleed. I will now be banned for life from all Bioware forums...

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

They're written as canon, therefore they're canon. And therefore canon strongly hints that Fiona is Alistair's mother. Thanks for the hint as to whether or not to actually read them, though.

[BevH]

I've always viewed the books more as fan fiction... even written by David Gaider. The Calling discounts too much of what we learn in the game for me to believe it's canon. For one, Alistair was "hidden" away to spare Rowan's feelings, but The Calling states that Rowan is dead. So, I don't believe that Fiona is Alistair's mother.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Then either Gaider retconned it, Loghain was lying to protect the secret, or Maric has a third son somewhere. The fact remains I'm reasonably certain they're canon regardless of retcons or quality issues.

[Ferretinabun]

I'm with Fuggyt and Bev. The books simply don't exist for me. Especially if they introduce more plot inconsistencies. We have enough of them as it is in the games.