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[Wye]

It can be anybody. I personally can't hold against party members for their combat skills, because they are all useful. However, I cannot stand Wynne for nagging so much. If she is in your party, she will judge every decision you make, and when you do something positive, her approval rating doesn't even rise by that much!

Not to mention, she will dive into your personal relationships (i.e., romances). I have never had the nerve to make her angry to the point that she leaves, because her spells are very useful in battles against elites such as the High Dragon and Flemeth the Shapeshifter. It's a love/hate relationship for me...

[Wulfram]

Probably Morrigan for me. She disapproves of too many things. Oghren might be up there if he didn't get recruited last.
I can see why people would pick Wynne. Though if you don't like her lectures, you don't have to talk to her.

[Wye]

Wulfram wrote...

Probably Morrigan for me. She disapproves of too many things. Oghren might be up there if he didn't get recruited last.
I can see why people would pick Wynne. Though if you don't like her lectures, you don't have to talk to her.

Sometimes, you have no choice but to talk to her.

[Joy Divison]

Wynne. Not even close.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

^^^ Concur. The other party members don't put me to sleep as much as her sanctimonious droning does.

[Emperor Iaius I]

Oghren. I cannot stand that foul wretch. Alistair, Wynne, and Leliana can get tedious at times but they're fun too--well, Wynne isn't but the other two are.

[Xilizhra]

Oghren. I give Wynne a pass because she's insanely useful in combat.

[DPSSOC]

Wynne. Two reasons #1 She is not my mother I'd really like it if she kept acting like it.

#2 On what grounds is she lecturing me about being a Grey Warden? I could accept the lectures about duty, and the selfishness of love, and what it means to be a Grey Warden from Alistair (though barely) or Riordan or anybody who's been a Warden longer than me. Wynne's knowledge of the Grey Wardens comes from overly flattering legends. I'm tempted to take her to Soldiers Peak just for the chance to point at Avernus and say, "You see Wynne that is what it means to be a Grey Warden." and watch her precious little world come crashing down on her (wow I'm getting angrier than I really should about this).

[Undeff]

Wynne and Alistair, no question. It's hard to choose between them, but if I had to, it would probably be Wynne...

Alistair has a special place in my heart for an incredibly annoying companion, though. Ugh.

[HolyAvenger]

I don't really find any of them too annoying.

[Mox Ruuga]

HolyAvenger wrote...

I don't really find any of them too annoying.

Agreed. Perhaps the best collection of companions in a Bioware game I've seen. I liked them all.

[Nyxia]

Why doesn't people like Wynne?
She's so nice to my Wardens and I love hearing her speech.

PS: I don't find any of them annoying either.

[Mox Ruuga]

Nyxia wrote...

Why doesn't people like Wynne?
She's so nice to my Wardens and I love hearing her speech.

PS: I don't find any of them annoying either.

Some people perhaps consider her little talks to be nagging or such?

While I like Wynne, her philosophy of soul destroying self sacrifice and altruism is not something I consider very appealing. Finding happiness through the advancement of others, while sacrificing your own dreams, ambitions, and goals? Nuts to that, you old collectivist!  Hell, she has more in common with Sten and the Qun, than with more individual types from her own culture.

Still, she means well... And I do like her, despite her misguided ways.

[sylvanaerie]

Wynne isn't even close to my least favorite. That would be Sten with his "Women don't fight" crap and his "Mages should have their tongues cut out and be leashed like beasts" bit. He even calls them beasts!
Try playing a female elf mage (my canon) a few times and listen to his garbage.
His antiquated and judgemental attitudes earned him several playthroughs where he sat in the cage in Lothering waiting to explain to the Darkspawn Emissaries his views on mages. I'm sure they were more receptive to that kind of talk than Neria was.

[Persephone]

Wynne. Argh, her self absorbed nagging drives me insane.

As for Sten, he is one of my favorite characters. Brilliantly written with great depth and whose heart doesn't melt when he calls the Warden "Kadan"? 

[tehkamikaze919]

I don't dislike any of them but Morrigan and Sten are so hard to please.
Especially for a good character who wants to solve things peacefully.

[war4n0th1n9]

DPSSOC wrote...

Wynne. Two reasons #1 She is not my mother I'd really like it if she kept acting like it.

#2 On what grounds is she lecturing me about being a Grey Warden? I could accept the lectures about duty, and the selfishness of love, and what it means to be a Grey Warden from Alistair (though barely) or Riordan or anybody who's been a Warden longer than me. Wynne's knowledge of the Grey Wardens comes from overly flattering legends. I'm tempted to take her to Soldiers Peak just for the chance to point at Avernus and say, "You see Wynne that is what it means to be a Grey Warden." and watch her precious little world come crashing down on her (wow I'm getting angrier than I really should about this).

Well said, but to be honest after 2-4 playthroughs all of them start to be annoying. I can't really pick one to be worse over the other because at some point they all are dreadful. Leliana is annoying at trying to romance her. Wynne is as the quote above. Alistar I won't even get into his ai. The Zevran, well he never talks if he survives the encounter (never even touch that companion until the foursome).

[Iosev]

I'm surprised at how many people dislike Wynne. She certainly likes to teach, but that's most likely because she's a senior enchanter with the circle; no doubt her years spent educating has increased her habit of giving advice.  She reminds me of some of my professors I've had during my college years; professors of philosophy, politics, psychology, and so on, who have developed particular idealogical beliefs that intenionally (and often unintentially) shows through when teaching, giving advice, or simply while having a conversation during a coffee break.  Maybe I'm not annoyed because I'm just used to it, lol.

If she were as stubborn or close-minded as say Morrigan or Sten, then I probably would have a problem with Wynne. But she freely admits that she worries that her preachings may just be platitudes (revealed during your encounter with the guardian during the Urn of Sacred Ashes quest), and when she does overstep her bounds regarding your love life, she later apologizes.

Back towards the original question, I really don't find any of the companions annoying. Each have their flaws (some more than others), but ultimately each companion's personality and background adds insight into different parts of the Dragon Age mythology.

Modifié par arcelonious, 05 mars 2011 - 05:50 .

[sylvanaerie]

Persephone wrote...

Wynne. Argh, her self absorbed nagging drives me insane.

As for Sten, he is one of my favorite characters. Brilliantly written with great depth and whose heart doesn't melt when he calls the Warden "Kadan"? 

Mine. 
I don't consider toneless monologues with him disapproving of everything my PC does without actually fighting darkspawn to be 'written with great depth'.  "No" does not make one a great conversationalist even if it sounds epic when you say it in that tone.  And having a sweet tooth only adds a superficial coating of 'depth' to what I find to be a stale and boring one dimensional character.  
Just because he calls you 'kadan' doesn't change his core personality which is what I find irks me. He still feels women shouldn't fight and mages should be mutilated and leashed.  (Unless his conversations are seriously bugged I got no conversation with him saying his opinion on those matters changed at all).  And the one where he tells you 'you're not as callow as I thought" doesnt' count because he's still being condescending and an ass.
His approval is hellish hard to get and his personlity grates on me.  I feel like a circus poodle jumping through firey hoops trying to eke out some level of gain, which only happens when I kick his ass in line (as in Haven) or finally bring him his sword.
Now, I just use Feastday to get his approval up so I can do his quest and be done with it.  That's on the rare occasions I do take him along. 
The only good thing about Sten is his end card for US Warden is the best of the non romanced companions.  Of course, that it takes DYING to reach that point of approval is IMO a pretty drastic waste of my Warden's energy.

Modifié par sylvanaerie, 05 mars 2011 - 06:06 .

[Iosev]

sylvanaerie wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Wynne. Argh, her self absorbed nagging drives me insane.

As for Sten, he is one of my favorite characters. Brilliantly written with great depth and whose heart doesn't melt when he calls the Warden "Kadan"? 

Mine. 
I don't consider toneless monologues with him disapproving of everything my PC does without actually fighting darkspawn to be 'written with great depth'.  "No" does not make one a great conversationalist even if it sounds epic when you say it in that tone.  And having a sweet tooth only adds a superficial coating of 'depth' to what I find to be a stale and boring one dimensional character.  
Just because he calls you 'kadan' doesn't change his core personality which is what I find irks me. He still feels women shouldn't fight and mages should be mutilated and leashed.  (Unless his conversations are seriously bugged I got no conversation with him saying his opinion on those matters changed at all).  And the one where he tells you 'you're not as callow as I thought" doesnt' count because he's still being condescending and an ass.
His approval is hellish hard to get and his personlity grates on me.  I feel like a circus poodle jumping through firey hoops trying to eke out some level of gain, which only happens when I kick his ass in line (as in Haven) or finally bring him his sword.
Now, I just use Feastday to get his approval up so I can do his quest and be done with it.  That's on the rare occasions I do take him along. 
The only good thing about Sten is his end card for US Warden is the best of the non romanced companions.  Of course, that it takes DYING to reach that point of approval is IMO a pretty drastic waste of my Warden's energy.

Sten's conversations are atypical in how they're unlocked.  Unlike most characters who simply have dialogues that unlock after continously speaking to them and gaining approval, many of Sten's conversations will only unlock after meeting specific requirements (either unlocked when Sten has specific party banter with another companion, or when he randomly comments when first visiting an area).  I missed a lot of his conversations during my first playthrough because I didn't bring him in my party that much (because he can easily disapprove of many of your actions, especially if they're not direct actions concerning the Blight).

In regard's to Sten's views on magi, I think these set of conversations only open up if he has party banter with Wynne.  I think Wynne tells Sten that he can stop flinching, and Sten later explains that an unbound mage is like a wildfire or something (at least I think this is the party banter that opens his magi dialogue; it may be another, I'm not sure).  Aftewards, you can talk to Sten and ask him about "something he mentioned earlier"; in this case, it will be about his fear of magi.  You'll get three sets of conversations with him, and if your PC is a mage, there are some unique dialogue options.

Besides magi, Sten will also talk about the Tal'Vashoth (the Qunari who have rejected the way of the Qun), Qunari children, Chantry and wisdom, and females, all dependent on specific requirements.  That being said, he is a faithful follower of the Qun, so he's going to be pretty set in his beliefs, and he will gain the most respect for you if you sacrifice yourself (if you don't sacrifice yourself, he will be sort of puzzled at why everyone is celebrating, and will bring up that the Qunari typically only celebrate their "heroes" if they died to achieve victory, sort of like someone recieving the Medal of Honor posthumously).

Modifié par arcelonious, 05 mars 2011 - 06:44 .

[Persephone]

arcelonious wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Wynne. Argh, her self absorbed nagging drives me insane.

As for Sten, he is one of my favorite characters. Brilliantly written with great depth and whose heart doesn't melt when he calls the Warden "Kadan"? 

Mine. 
I don't consider toneless monologues with him disapproving of everything my PC does without actually fighting darkspawn to be 'written with great depth'.  "No" does not make one a great conversationalist even if it sounds epic when you say it in that tone.  And having a sweet tooth only adds a superficial coating of 'depth' to what I find to be a stale and boring one dimensional character.  
Just because he calls you 'kadan' doesn't change his core personality which is what I find irks me. He still feels women shouldn't fight and mages should be mutilated and leashed.  (Unless his conversations are seriously bugged I got no conversation with him saying his opinion on those matters changed at all).  And the one where he tells you 'you're not as callow as I thought" doesnt' count because he's still being condescending and an ass.
His approval is hellish hard to get and his personlity grates on me.  I feel like a circus poodle jumping through firey hoops trying to eke out some level of gain, which only happens when I kick his ass in line (as in Haven) or finally bring him his sword.
Now, I just use Feastday to get his approval up so I can do his quest and be done with it.  That's on the rare occasions I do take him along. 
The only good thing about Sten is his end card for US Warden is the best of the non romanced companions.  Of course, that it takes DYING to reach that point of approval is IMO a pretty drastic waste of my Warden's energy.

Sten's conversations are atypical in how they're unlocked.  Unlike most characters who simply have dialogues that unlock after continously speaking to them and gaining approval, many of Sten's conversations will only unlock after meeting specific requirements (either unlocked when Sten has specific party banter with another companion, or when he randomly comments when first visiting an area).  I missed a lot of his conversations during my first playthrough because I didn't bring him in my party that much (because he can easily disapprove of many of your actions, especially if they're not direct actions concerning the Blight).

In regard's to Sten's views on magi, I think these set of conversations only open up if he has party banter with Wynne.  I think Wynne tells Sten that he can stop flinching, and Sten later explains that an unbound mage is like a wildfire or something (at least I think this is the party banter that opens his magi dialogue; it may be another, I'm not sure).  Aftewards, you can talk to Sten and ask him about "something he mentioned earlier"; in this case, it will be about his fear of magi.  You'll get three sets of conversations with him, and if your PC is a mage, there are some unique dialogue options.

This. Most of his best conversations are unlocked by party banter. And I found his approval easy to gain, just show him who's in charge without flinching. Love that guy to bits!

[sylvanaerie]

Good for you. Glad you enjoy him but as this is a thread about "who annoys you most" not the "Sten appreciation" thread, I responded honestly. I wonder had I said "Wynne", even if it wasn't true, if anyone would have bothered to tell me how much in error I am for disliking her.
He is my least favorite, sweet tooth, kadan speak and hero confusion notwithstanding. Perhaps he is very open minded (as far as his people go he would have to be I imagine since he was sent into a foreign land to learn about things outside their sphere of knowledge). But this does not speak well of the majority of Qunari if that's the case. My LadyHawke mage will be cutting a swath through Qunari in Kirkwall if this is so.
I got the mage dialogue because i took him once to the Circle Tower. He says mages should be leashed and their tongues cut out. Greagoir agreed. I wanted to make twin mountings of their heads shoved through the stone walls.
After that Neria hated him and the next time I played her he stayed in that cage.

[M-Taylor]

sylvanaerie wrote...

Good for you. Glad you enjoy him but as this is a thread about "who annoys you most" not the "Sten appreciation" thread, I responded honestly. I wonder had I said "Wynne", even if it wasn't true, if anyone would have bothered to tell me how much in error I am for disliking her.

He replied to you because you replied to someone who just made a general statement which wasn't really directed to you. How can you think that people are telling you to like one character? You don't need to be defensive.

As for me.. probably Oghren. None of my characters connected to him. My dwarves saw him as a drunk, my elves saw him as disgusting and my humans didn't overly care. However, Chantry-devoted characters liked Wynne. So.. Oghren saw *zero* character audience for me. Wynne saw some.

My favourite would probably be Sten by far though. I wish he was romancable.

[Joy Divison]

arcelonious wrote...

I'm surprised at how many people dislike Wynne. She certainly likes to teach, but that's most likely because she's a senior enchanter with the circle; no doubt her years spent educating has increased her habit of giving advice.  She reminds me of some of my professors I've had during my college years; professors of philosophy, politics, psychology, and so on, who have developed particular idealogical beliefs that intenionally (and often unintentially) shows through when teaching, giving advice, or simply while having a conversation during a coffee break.  Maybe I'm not annoyed because I'm just used to it, lol.

Wynne preaches, not teaches.

Her trigger happy threats when you first meet her in the Tower and her outright comdemnation of your companion simply because "your adviser is an apostate" means she almost always die in my playthoughs in the cricle tower.

LOL, the first time I played the game I tried to be a "good" warden and still got into a fight with her because of her judgmental assitude toward Morrigan.

And the original cut-scene where she turns your warden in for Gregoir to arrest if she "suspects" your use of blood magic is the final straw for me.  Yeah, I cleared the whole tower (which you incorrectly took credit for) while all you can do is erect a barrier and you have the nerve to TRY and arrest one of the two surviving Grey Wardens during a blight?

Why can't we take Petra?  She always puts up a tougher fight than Wynne in that room :happy: 

Modifié par Joy Divison, 05 mars 2011 - 07:47 .