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djwyattwood wrote...

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Can we get the date/time they'll be available to dl?


 Mike Laidlaw said on life demo today they were shooting to have it available for the midnight launch parties on the 8th.


So now thousands upon thousands of people are going to fight for bandwith on this graphics patch so we can play the game the way it was meant to be played?


There will be mirror sites just like the demo. 


I torrented the demo after I was getting less than 100 kb/s



Same, I actually downloaded the demo while I was in class and I came back attempted to install it but because of the bottlnecking from the site a file was corrupted so I went and found a torrent took me litterally 10 mins to get the download vs 4 hours from Bioware site. 

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Gabriel Stelinski wrote...

I can't be bothered.

You have the Internets at your fingertip, why are you asking me?


gee, i dunno. Maybe because you apparently disagree with me? Maybe trying to understand the other side is an integral part in a discussion? At least to me?
Or maybe i just thought you actually had a point. Nevermind then. Image IPB

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sstorm wrote...

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On a side note, BioWare is the second company to do this recently. Crysis 2 isn't coming with DirectX11 on the disc. Though, at least DA2 high res is coming day one whereas Crysis 2 DX11 is coming "later on." I guess developers just prefer to focus on the console versions and then patch the PC version later.


Yeah, Crytek has proven with the C2 debacle that the company that pushed the envelope to the max two games straight (and were rewarded for it with spectacular sales on the PC) and was the darling of PC gaming... is no more. The fact that DX11 will not ship on the launch day means that they are pushing maximum exposure to the consoles and can't have the "dead platform" take all the thunder away from the six year old ancient tech aka consoles. I guess 3 million + sales for Crysis on PC were not enough to atleast treat us with respect. Too bad they will fail as Crysis 2 offers nothing for the COD crowd and since they have alienated the PC players, they will probably get abysmal sales on PC as well. If they push, we push back. Simple as that. 


That's a little extreme.  You want to take a bet on them faling with Crysis 2?

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Tleining wrote...

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integral? Since when are high-res-textures integral? You can play the game just fine without them. And how do you know that it was supposed to be on the Disc? They said the PC would get High-Res. That's it.


Are...:o are you for REAL?!


uh, YES? One of the first mods i downloaded for Origins was a High-Res-Texture-Pack. But by then i had already played Origins several times. Game Content is integral. Things like the CopyProtection AssassinsCreed2 forced on the player is keeping integral parts of the game from us. You can't play the game without it. High-Res-Textures are "nice to have" and pretty much expected nowadays, but not integral.


Modded texture packs aren't integral. Things done by guys who have the toolset and want to add something to it aren't a must-have (unless you're talking the Deus Ex 1 texture pack. :D )

This? I paid money for this. And the developers - who are paid to produce this - chuck out a high-res texture pack as an extra? Like, "OMG! The PC kids are getting annoyed at the textures, let's hurry a pack out."

No. I've defended BioWare even when I've criticised the style of DA2. But this? This stinks so much. No customer care, no quality of service. No "Let's try our hardest to produce the best we can".

Urgh. Disgusting.

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Why didn't you just put it on the disc?


Probably because they didn't finish them until after the game was sealed. 


Yep, same reason day 1 DLC isn't on the disc.  This is all content we were able to complete after the game disc was locked and sent for certification.


How big a download will that be, for those people who buy the store version because they don't have fast internet?

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Hammer6767 wrote...

sstorm wrote...

Drasill wrote...

On a side note, BioWare is the second company to do this recently. Crysis 2 isn't coming with DirectX11 on the disc. Though, at least DA2 high res is coming day one whereas Crysis 2 DX11 is coming "later on." I guess developers just prefer to focus on the console versions and then patch the PC version later.


Yeah, Crytek has proven with the C2 debacle that the company that pushed the envelope to the max two games straight (and were rewarded for it with spectacular sales on the PC) and was the darling of PC gaming... is no more. The fact that DX11 will not ship on the launch day means that they are pushing maximum exposure to the consoles and can't have the "dead platform" take all the thunder away from the six year old ancient tech aka consoles. I guess 3 million + sales for Crysis on PC were not enough to atleast treat us with respect. Too bad they will fail as Crysis 2 offers nothing for the COD crowd and since they have alienated the PC players, they will probably get abysmal sales on PC as well. If they push, we push back. Simple as that. 


That's a little extreme.  You want to take a bet on them faling with Crysis 2?


Heh. They already did, what with the much publicised logging in problems. :D

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Emoking wrote...

Hammer6767 wrote...

sstorm wrote...

Drasill wrote...

On a side note, BioWare is the second company to do this recently. Crysis 2 isn't coming with DirectX11 on the disc. Though, at least DA2 high res is coming day one whereas Crysis 2 DX11 is coming "later on." I guess developers just prefer to focus on the console versions and then patch the PC version later.


Yeah, Crytek has proven with the C2 debacle that the company that pushed the envelope to the max two games straight (and were rewarded for it with spectacular sales on the PC) and was the darling of PC gaming... is no more. The fact that DX11 will not ship on the launch day means that they are pushing maximum exposure to the consoles and can't have the "dead platform" take all the thunder away from the six year old ancient tech aka consoles. I guess 3 million + sales for Crysis on PC were not enough to atleast treat us with respect. Too bad they will fail as Crysis 2 offers nothing for the COD crowd and since they have alienated the PC players, they will probably get abysmal sales on PC as well. If they push, we push back. Simple as that. 


That's a little extreme.  You want to take a bet on them faling with Crysis 2?


Heh. They already did, what with the much publicised logging in problems. :D



Really?  Last I checked it wasn't released yet.  Image IPB

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Hammer6767 wrote...

That's a little extreme.  You want to take a bet on them faling with Crysis 2?


If 3+ million for Crysis and 1.5 million for Warhead was such fail for Cevat Yerli that he has spent the better part of last three years bashing the PC platform and how nobody bought his game as everybody and their grandmother pirates his game, then how much will the combined sales have to be for C2 to be a success for mister Yerli? 

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With Amazon release day delivery, I'll probably just stay up until a little after midnight, start the download for the high-res textures and then go to bed. By the time my copy gets here that day the download will be done.

Works for me!

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Emoking wrote...
This? I paid money for this. And the developers - who are paid to produce this - chuck out a high-res texture pack as an extra? Like, "OMG! The PC kids are getting annoyed at the textures, let's hurry a pack out."

No. I've defended BioWare even when I've criticised the style of DA2. But this? This stinks so much. No customer care, no quality of service. No "Let's try our hardest to produce the best we can".

Urgh. Disgusting.


It's not that bad - just very sloppy, rushing out the gold version in an incomplete state, forcing people to download the rest...

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Hammer6767 wrote...

Emoking wrote...

Hammer6767 wrote...

sstorm wrote...

Drasill wrote...

On a side note, BioWare is the second company to do this recently. Crysis 2 isn't coming with DirectX11 on the disc. Though, at least DA2 high res is coming day one whereas Crysis 2 DX11 is coming "later on." I guess developers just prefer to focus on the console versions and then patch the PC version later.


Yeah, Crytek has proven with the C2 debacle that the company that pushed the envelope to the max two games straight (and were rewarded for it with spectacular sales on the PC) and was the darling of PC gaming... is no more. The fact that DX11 will not ship on the launch day means that they are pushing maximum exposure to the consoles and can't have the "dead platform" take all the thunder away from the six year old ancient tech aka consoles. I guess 3 million + sales for Crysis on PC were not enough to atleast treat us with respect. Too bad they will fail as Crysis 2 offers nothing for the COD crowd and since they have alienated the PC players, they will probably get abysmal sales on PC as well. If they push, we push back. Simple as that. 


That's a little extreme.  You want to take a bet on them faling with Crysis 2?


Heh. They already did, what with the much publicised logging in problems. :D



Really?  Last I checked it wasn't released yet.  Image IPB


:P

Demo logging in problems:

http://www.pcgamer.c...s-2-demo-snafu/

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Tleining wrote...

Gabriel Stelinski wrote...

I can't be bothered.

You have the Internets at your fingertip, why are you asking me?


gee, i dunno. Maybe because you apparently disagree with me? Maybe trying to understand the other side is an integral part in a discussion? At least to me?
Or maybe i just thought you actually had a point. Nevermind then. Image IPB


No point that you would care for, so I don't bother. And I'll leave it at that. ^_^

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Emoking wrote...

Modded texture packs aren't integral. Things done by guys who have the toolset and want to add something to it aren't a must-have (unless you're talking the Deus Ex 1 texture pack. :D )

This? I paid money for this. And the developers - who are paid to produce this - chuck out a high-res texture pack as an extra? Like, "OMG! The PC kids are getting annoyed at the textures, let's hurry a pack out."

No. I've defended BioWare even when I've criticised the style of DA2. But this? This stinks so much. No customer care, no quality of service. No "Let's try our hardest to produce the best we can".

Urgh. Disgusting.


i never said they were. I mentioned the mods because i like High-Res-Textures as well. But i don't think they are integral.

You paid money for the textures and you will get them. The fact that it wasn't on the Disc should indicate that they didn't hurry it. Instead of trying to fit them into the deadline, the devs were able to work several more weeks on this.

Sorry, i'm not trying to convince you. You don't like it, i get that. So feel free to disregard the second part of my post. I originally just wanted to clarify the modding part. Image IPB

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@Gabriel Stelinski

Love the links in your sig. :D

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Tleining wrote...

Emoking wrote...

Modded texture packs aren't integral. Things done by guys who have the toolset and want to add something to it aren't a must-have (unless you're talking the Deus Ex 1 texture pack. :D )

This? I paid money for this. And the developers - who are paid to produce this - chuck out a high-res texture pack as an extra? Like, "OMG! The PC kids are getting annoyed at the textures, let's hurry a pack out."

No. I've defended BioWare even when I've criticised the style of DA2. But this? This stinks so much. No customer care, no quality of service. No "Let's try our hardest to produce the best we can".

Urgh. Disgusting.


i never said they were. I mentioned the mods because i like High-Res-Textures as well. But i don't think they are integral.

You paid money for the textures and you will get them. The fact that it wasn't on the Disc should indicate that they didn't hurry it. Instead of trying to fit them into the deadline, the devs were able to work several more weeks on this.

Sorry, i'm not trying to convince you. You don't like it, i get that. So feel free to disregard the second part of my post. I originally just wanted to clarify the modding part. Image IPB


Fair fair. :)

I'd feel far happier if I knew it would auto-download them through Steam (like a patch). It's the fact that they're treating it more like DLC than a patch (from what I can see), with a seperate download. Anything that slows me down from playing a game I legitimately bought irritates, and this has been handled very badly I think.

Modifié par Emoking, 05 mars 2011 - 10:19 .


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m14567 wrote...
Is it a free download or is it a paid for DLC?



Depends on your internet subscription. If it's a capped one, you'll be paying for every MB above the cap. Also, the electricity costs of downloading. Not very much, but still...

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Nighteye2 wrote...

m14567 wrote...
Is it a free download or is it a paid for DLC?



Depends on your internet subscription. If it's a capped one, you'll be paying for every MB above the cap. Also, the electricity costs of downloading. Not very much, but still...


You must be kidding?

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Is this a ****ing joke?
The damn textures come as a separate download now. It boggles the mind. Has any other video game ever done this before? How much of a rush job is this game exactly?

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Some people are looking at this the wrong way, Bioware was under no obligation to give us high res textures.

Did Dragon Age Origins have high res textures? No
Did Mass Effect 2 have high res textures? No
Did Fallout 3 have high res textures? No

Multi platform games seldom have high res textures, you people should be thanking Bioware, not complaining imo.

Modifié par Johnked6, 05 mars 2011 - 11:35 .


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It comes down to this:

Do you believe high-res graphics are a bonus, or something that should come as standard?

Or, put another way, do you think that BioWare saying "Our standard texture pack isn't great, here's a higher res one" before the game has even been released is something that we should be encouraging?

Modifié par Emoking, 05 mars 2011 - 11:44 .


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Johnked6 wrote...

Some people are looking at this the wrong way, Bioware was under no obligation to give us high res textures.

Did Dragon Age Origins have high res textures? No
Did Mass Effect 2 have high res textures? No
Did Fallout 3 have high res textures? No

Multi platform games seldom have high res textures, you people should be thanking Bioware, not complaining imo.

QFT

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Johnked6 wrote...

Some people are looking at this the wrong way, Bioware was under no obligation to give us high res textures.

Did Dragon Age Origins have high res textures? No
Did Mass Effect 2 have high res textures? No
Did Fallout 3 have high res textures? No

Multi platform games seldom have high res textures, you people should be thanking Bioware, not complaining imo.


Ah, another one. No obligation to push the strengths of a platform means flak from reviews and gamers and that is bad for business and ruins your reputation. Ask Square-Enix or Capcom.

DA:O looked about a million and one times better on the PC that the consoles.
ME2 the same.
Fallout 3 is so much better as vanilla that it's not even funny. As a modded game, it kills Crysis in a few scenes.

PC versions always get game assets at least one notch above the console, good ports give two or even three and higher resolution + AA and AF do the rest of the magic. But since the game went gold a long time ago without these assets that we will download, I guess the term "gone gold" means something different in today's industry than it did even a few years ago.

Modifié par sstorm, 05 mars 2011 - 11:47 .


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Amazing thread. Face now permanently attached to palm.

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sstorm wrote...

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Wow in all the overreactions I've seen on this forum ever this takes the cake as the most ridiculous. Its essentially a day one patch, why is it that big a deal.


A day one patch? Really? Bioware was in such a hurry to get the game out of the door, that an integral part of the game data itself was not ready and thus, we have to download who knows how many gigabytes of data additionally on Monday. A launch day patch is something that fixes bugs and gameplay errors that have been found between the game going  gold and hitting the street. A launch day patch it is not, if it adds stuff that was already supposed to be on the disc that you bought from the store (not the mention the endless milking of Disc Locked Content).

The stuff that game companies are allowed to get away these days.... sheesh, it's appaling. To the people claiming that Bioware is awesome due to them releasing this texture files at all and for free and not as a DLC- get a clue, will you? If you want your game to sell, you cater to every market and platform. Releasing 1:1 console ports is not that and if Bioware has any self-respect left after all this, then I hope they learn their lesson. They should have pushed back the release of the PC version a few weeks, given us maximum possible graphics and then released the game with the feedback from consoles as a launch day bugfix patch.



Well, it's your opinion, I very much prefer being able to play during the March 8th release date, rather than having a delayed game, just because my Hawke and his family home can look sharper.

Obviously Bioware did not tend to the PC version upgrades until after the game was gone gold for consoles, but still, there's no use in complaining about the textures not being included, because if they delayed the game for that, then there would be some PC gamers complaining about how they got screwed and now have to wait a few days or a couple of weeks longer than console players.

Lastly, there are no rules that say high-res textures must be included in a new game, it's just common sense that all available video settings should be selectable with any copy purchased on release day. So, yes, I agree, they should have included the texture pack in the retail PC copies, but they didn't, but why bother complaining about such a trivial matter which has no hindrance on how the game plays? At the very least, they are releasing it, and free of charge of course. However, if Bioware does this repeatedly or charges for this sort of "upgrade" in the future, then there is a legitimate reason to complain.

Texture pack pros:
1. It exists
2. It's free
3. It releases before the game does
4. The game looks better with it
5. It's not compulsory

Texture pack cons:
1. It's not included in the full retail game
2. Users must manually download and install

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Nevermind.

Modifié par kjdhgfiliuhwe, 06 mars 2011 - 12:25 .