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Karsciyin wrote...

Actually looking at the torso shows Bioware have done their homework.

Thick waist - thick waist are indicative of strong CORE muscles. People with wide shoulders and tapered waist are gym rats who build up muscles deliberately - a strong core is indicative of hard work of life long training rather than quick muscle growth.

The pectorals ('pecs') are large because they are responsible for the lifting and movement of the arms. Archers, dual wielders, fencers - all of these lift their arms and perform strong strikes (or in archer's case, draw back resistant bowstrings) so it is natural that pectoral muscles are larger. Large muscles are also indicative of sudden demands for lots of energy, rather than for moderate amounts over a period of time. No fighting --> massive fights with dragons --> resting back home would create a cycle of high demand-low demand, rather than constant, so again - built up.

As for the undefined abs, again - this is a sign of FUNCTIONAL muscle, rather than muscle that is built up for show. Characters with tapered waists and defined abs are NOT super-strong and super-fit, they're indicative of people trying to build muscle quickly - for looks.

I am pleased with how the male torso looks. Believe me when I say it makes anatomical sense when you think about the different types of abdominal muscles and the pectorals.


thats not  entirely true when i went to basic  in 2001 i was 6'3 and   170 pounds i hade  29 inch wiast  i packed on 40 pounds of muscle   i hade  34 inch wiast i have small wiast for man of my size i think  itd form packing around that gear  lol

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JigPig wrote...

Femhawke on this forum "OMG it's sexist, look at her breasts"
Malehawke on this forum "envy much?"


Women, they're all sexist.

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Osena109 wrote...

Karsciyin wrote...

*snip*


thats not  entirely true when i went to basic  in 2001 i was 6'3 and   170 pounds i hade  29 inch wiast  i packed on 40 pounds of muscle   i hade  34 inch wiast i have small wiast for man of my size i think  itd form packing around that gear  lol


That will be because you built up muscle quickly, rather than over a couple decades. Hawke and his family have been running away, training to defend themselves, and in Lothering - working on farmland (if I remember correctly) so even since a young age the Hawke's will have been building up core. Core is also built by lifting things, and carrying things on the back and shoulders, not just running around in circles or on track.

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Karsciyin wrote...

EDIT: Typos fixed

Actually looking at the torso shows Bioware have done their homework.

Thick
waist - thick waist are indicative of strong CORE muscles. People with
wide shoulders and tapered waist are gym rats who build up muscles
deliberately - a strong core is indicative of hard work or life long
training rather than quick muscle growth.

The pectorals ('pecs')
are large because they are responsible for the lifting and movement of
the arms. Archers, dual wielders, fencers - all of these lift their arms
and perform strong strikes (or in archer's case, draw back resistant
bowstrings) so it is natural that pectoral muscles are larger to account
for the strain put on them. Large muscles are also indicative of sudden
demands for lots of energy, rather than for moderate amounts over a
period of time. No fighting --> massive fights with dragons -->
resting back home would create a cycle of high demand-low demand, rather
than constant medium demand, so again - built up muscles for quick
power rather than smaller, more energy-efficient for endurance. Marathon
runners vs sprinters, people.

As for the undefined abs, again -
this is a sign of FUNCTIONAL muscle, rather than muscle that is built up
for show. Characters with tapered waists and defined abs are NOT
super-strong and super-fit, they're indicative of people trying to build
muscle quickly - for looks. If you have absolutely no fat on your
stomach - ESPECIALLY for males since that is the primarly depositing
point - then you are gravely ill and should start eating a higher
calorie diet. That is extremely unhealthy.

I am pleased with how
the male torso looks. Believe me when I say it makes anatomical sense
when you think about the different types of abdominal muscles, the
pectorals, and how muscles work vs those who enter body-building
competitions and those that wrestle elephants. For fun.

This post is wrong in so many ways.  Where to start? Hawke's core is not that thick.  His obliques are underdeveloped or genetically small, if he were human. Strength, abdominal or otherwise, is NOT the same as muscle. There is no way tell how STRONG his core is.  Everyone's abs look great underneath bodyfat. Absolutely everyone's. Quick muscle growth and long term muscle growth do not appear different. Teenage boys grow muscle very quickly after puberty. It looks no different than if an adult does it over years.  Muscle shapes are entirely genetically determined. You can change the size, not the shape without surgery.
    Pectorals are NOT responsible for lifting movements of the arms... That's largely the deltoids.  Archers use their biceps and lats mostly. Pectorals are use to PRESS STUFF AWAY FROM YOU more or less in the horizontal plane.
    Muscle definition is a sign of bodyfat levels, not how muscle was acquired... Furthermore Hawke's abs are not undefined.  Your idea of defined comes from magazines or pictures in which the subject is DEHYDRATED. The size of a person's waist is largely dependant upon the size of their PELVIS, WHICH HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MUSCLE OR HOW FAST IT WAS BUILT.  The stomach, it's called the abdomen, by the way, in case you were wondering, is not the primary depositing point of fat for males.  Many males deposit fat on their lovehandles/back or on their chest, or even their waist and hips.  It has far more to do with hormones and genetics than how you workout.  You really know nothing about this.   I could go on and on and on.  In short you have NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT and please stop posting nonsense you read on some ill-informed crossfit website.  (Your constant use of the word "Functional" gives you away.

Modifié par mindbody, 04 mars 2011 - 11:23 .


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You've never seen a professional swimmer have you OP?

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I don't usually like the body builder frame, but for some reason man Hawke is, uhhhh, looking very nice to my eyes. Natural, healthy bodies = beautiful. Karsciyin's post makes a lot of sense. I bet the ladies at BioWare gave some input for the graphic designers...

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Druss99 wrote...

JigPig wrote...

Femhawke on this forum "OMG it's sexist, look at her breasts"
Malehawke on this forum "envy much?"


Women, they're all sexist.


Bull, everyone knows all men are sexist pigs. No real woman would do that stereotyping thing. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/wink.png[/smilie]

Seriously though, I'll give the people drooling over Hawke's chest the benefit of the doubt unless I see proof they were the same people complaining because Lady Hawke had a nice body. It could just be two different sub-sections of the forum, those that are okay with a bit of harmless fanservice and those that aren't.

Karsciyin wrote...

....also I would love to know why the hell when I submit comments breaks are inserted in my lines for no
reason. It looks damn unprofessional, and everytime I try to edit them out they COME BACK.


It happens to me when I run things through a word processor to make sure I haven't misspelt anything, then paste the text back here. However, normally I can go back and edit out the line breaks later. The breaks coming back is new for me.

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Osena109 wrote...

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OP may need to research what a man who spends some time at the gym and watches what he eats looks like.
No. 2 is definitely overdeveloped. He spends too much time at the gym (and probably not enough watching what he eats).
No. 1 does not look like No. 2.
No. 1 is fine. His walking posture may be a little odd in that shot, but his body is fine.

Trust me, I'm an expert. Image IPB

@ JasonPogo... a little chest hair would have been nice. If you're on PC, expect it to be fixed in a mod. If you're on a console, you're SOL. Sorry.

Yes, my apologies. I haven't kept abreast of the intense exercise and diet regimens of Thedas. One would think a peasant like Hawke wouldn't have the luxury of "watching what he eats".


I don't think Hawke is  poor  form what i can tell Hawkes mom hade invasted alot in to lothing dude Hawkes Armor and Sword is not someting a Peasant could not afford hell his gear was nicer then the Human nobles  gear


well the city elf and dwarf commoner were dirt poor and still built to last, though I don't think healthy eating is expensive.

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"Crossfit website"? I don't even know what that is. :blink:

Normally I appreciate being corrected - the more you know, and all that, right? But I don't think there is any need to be so caustic about it - it gives your information less value, whether the facts you have provided are genuine or not. Still, thanks for the information - I'm still learning about this kind of thing and its applications, especially in art and 3D modelling, so even though you were overly sharp about it, the information is appreciated.

Please though, do not be just another person who thinks they have me all categorised because of my vocabulary. I am accused to using 'legalese' (their words, not mine) because of my use of words such as 'functional', 'genuinely', and words I would have thought everyone knew like 'decrepit'. I don't copy/paste anything I write, and I don't use all my information from one source, either. I'm not so arrogant as to pretend I'm never misguided, but I do look around at more than one resource.

Modifié par Karsciyin, 04 mars 2011 - 11:27 .


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Default Hawke with a body that smooth and a beard that thick just ain't right. Gonna have to go beardless.

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kingkyle wrote...

Marionetten wrote...

JasonPogo wrote...

When did he find the time to wax what with the running and the fighting??

You know, I really don't understand why they didn't give him some chest hair when default Hawke sports a beard. The body just looks plastic.


i belive it's been said that manhawke does have chest hair


I don't know of any guy who can grow a beard but naturally doesn't grow chest hair.

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Sefferz wrote...

I don't usually like the body builder frame, but for some reason man Hawke is, uhhhh, looking very nice to my eyes. Natural, healthy bodies = beautiful. Karsciyin's post makes a lot of sense. I bet the ladies at BioWare gave some input for the graphic designers...

He looks about as natural as Isabela.

... And bodybuilding sure is serious business.

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AtreiyaN7 wrote...

I have no issues with maleHawke's torso. I approve of it. In fact, I wouldn't mind examining it more closely. :P


I agree. ;)

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Dubya75 wrote...

Do I detect envy among some? I'm sure if we were swinging swords around all day, killing darkspawn and other foes, we'd also look like this.


I entirely doubt it. Especially when we're talking swords that stupidly large, you'd look more like a hulking brute as opposed to this hairless supermodel.

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Marionetten wrote...

Sefferz wrote...

I don't usually like the body builder frame, but for some reason man Hawke is, uhhhh, looking very nice to my eyes. Natural, healthy bodies = beautiful. Karsciyin's post makes a lot of sense. I bet the ladies at BioWare gave some input for the graphic designers...

He looks about as natural as Isabela.

... And bodybuilding sure is serious business.


what does that mean?

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Karsciyin wrote...

"Crossfit website"? I don't even know what that is. :blink:

Normally I appreciate being corrected - the more you know, and all that, right? But I don't think there is any need to be so caustic about it - it gives your information less value, whether the facts you have provided are genuine or not.

And, oh please, not another person who thinks they have me all categorised because of my vocabulary. I am accused to using 'legalese' (their words, not mine) because of my use of words such as 'functional', 'genuinely', and words I would have thought everyone knew like 'decrepit'.


Ok, if I overreacted, sorry. I'm used to seeing people being manipulated into buying crap over and over again by misinformation... Ab machines and the like.... I've spent what seems like lifetimes correcting the damage that people do to themselves because of bad info.  Many times they are given these misconceptions purposefully, by trainers or commercials or even doctors... I can't describe how much I hate it.  You seem like a reasonable person, though, so I'm sorry for yelling at you.  I sincerely hope, since you have an evident interest in anatomy, exercise, and physiology, that you continue to pursue it through many sources of info, don't trust any one source, remain sceptical, and try to assert only the things of which you are really sure.

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Is this from the demo version of finished version?

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Karsciyin wrote...


EDIT: Typos fixed

Actually looking at the torso shows Bioware have done their homework.

Thick waist - thick waist are indicative of strong CORE muscles. People with wide shoulders and tapered waist are gym rats who build up muscles deliberately - a strong core is indicative of hard work or life long training rather than quick muscle growth.

The pectorals ('pecs') are large because they are responsible for the lifting and movement of the arms. Archers, dual wielders, fencers - all of these lift their armsand perform strong strikes (or in archer's case, draw back resistant bowstrings) so it is natural that pectoral muscles are larger to account for the strain put on them. Large muscles are also indicative of sudden demands for lots of energy, rather than for moderate amounts
over a period of time. No fighting --> massive fights with dragons --> resting back home would create a cycle of high demand-low demand, rather than constant medium demand, so again - built up muscles for quick power rather than smaller, more energy-efficient for endurance. Marathon runners vs sprinters, people.

As for the undefined abs, again - this is a sign of FUNCTIONAL muscle, rather than muscle that is built up for show. Characters with tapered waists and defined abs are NOT super-strong and super-fit, they're indicative of people trying to build muscle quickly - for looks. If you have absolutely no fat on your stomach - ESPECIALLY for males since that is the primary depositing point - then you are gravely ill and should start eating a higher calorie diet. That is extremely unhealthy.

I am pleased with how the male torso looks. Believe me when I say it makes anatomical sense when you think about the different types of abdominal muscles, the pectorals, and how muscles work vs those who enter body-building competitions and those that wrestle elephants. For fun!

....also I would love to know why the hell when I submit comments breaks are inserted in my lines for no reason. It looks damn unprofessional, and every time I try to edit them out they COME BACK.


Kind of looks the opposite to me, looks like hawke has Dwight Howard's torso with little midget legs. He really doesn't look at all like a powerlifter or someone who lifts really heavy things.

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kalassy wrote...

Is this from the demo version of finished version?


I'm assuming finished, since that's a custom Hawke.

Either way, it's quite disturbing.

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kalassy wrote...

Is this from the demo version of finished version?


The demo, which has been modded (or hacked) to unlock the character creation. However Bioware staff also mentioned that this is from an old build, since every time they make a new build they have to do a whole lot of testing and such. So the full game is implied to have more options, more power, and the family's looks will change more. (Whether he meant each preset has its own change, they look more like present Hawke, or they just look more natural, it was no said.)

Unfortunately this mod-hack is only for PC.

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Karsciyin wrote...


EDIT: Typos fixed

Actually looking at the torso shows Bioware have done their homework.

Thick waist - thick waist are indicative of strong CORE muscles. People with wide shoulders and tapered waist are gym rats who build up muscles deliberately - a strong core is indicative of hard work or life long training rather than quick muscle growth.

The pectorals ('pecs') are large because they are responsible for the lifting and movement of the arms. Archers, dual wielders, fencers - all of these lift their armsand perform strong strikes (or in archer's case, draw back resistant bowstrings) so it is natural that pectoral muscles are larger to account for the strain put on them. Large muscles are also indicative of sudden demands for lots of energy, rather than for moderate amounts
over a period of time. No fighting --> massive fights with dragons --> resting back home would create a cycle of high demand-low demand, rather than constant medium demand, so again - built up muscles for quick power rather than smaller, more energy-efficient for endurance. Marathon runners vs sprinters, people.

As for the undefined abs, again - this is a sign of FUNCTIONAL muscle, rather than muscle that is built up for show. Characters with tapered waists and defined abs are NOT super-strong and super-fit, they're indicative of people trying to build muscle quickly - for looks. If you have absolutely no fat on your stomach - ESPECIALLY for males since that is the primary depositing point - then you are gravely ill and should start eating a higher calorie diet. That is extremely unhealthy.

I am pleased with how the male torso looks. Believe me when I say it makes anatomical sense when you think about the different types of abdominal muscles, the pectorals, and how muscles work vs those who enter body-building competitions and those that wrestle elephants. For fun!

....also I would love to know why the hell when I submit comments breaks are inserted in my lines for no reason. It looks damn unprofessional, and every time I try to edit them out they COME BACK.


I really don't see how defined abs make you gravely ill. I'd like some kind of source for that.

And I really doubt all, if any people with 'defined abs' indicate they 'build muscle quickly'.

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AtreiyaN7 wrote...

I have no issues with maleHawke's torso. I approve of it. In fact, I wouldn't mind examining it more closely. :P


I second this...<3

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mindbody wrote...

Karsciyin wrote...

"Crossfit website"? I don't even know what that is. :blink:

Normally I appreciate being corrected - the more you know, and all that, right? But I don't think there is any need to be so caustic about it - it gives your information less value, whether the facts you have provided are genuine or not.

And, oh please, not another person who thinks they have me all categorised because of my vocabulary. I am accused to using 'legalese' (their words, not mine) because of my use of words such as 'functional', 'genuinely', and words I would have thought everyone knew like 'decrepit'.


Ok, if I overreacted, sorry. I'm used to seeing people being manipulated into buying crap over and over again by misinformation... Ab machines and the like.... I've spent what seems like lifetimes correcting the damage that people do to themselves because of bad info.  Many times they are given these misconceptions purposefully, by trainers or commercials or even doctors... I can't describe how much I hate it.  You seem like a reasonable person, though, so I'm sorry for yelling at you.  I sincerely hope, since you have an evident interest in anatomy, exercise, and physiology, that you continue to pursue it through many sources of info, don't trust any one source, remain sceptical, and try to assert only the things of which you are really sure.


You are of course forgiven, and I am actually grateful for the information, since you sound like you know what you're talking about! I'm actually most interested in anatomy and the related fields because they are important for figure drawing and 3D modelling - often, proportions matter very little with a final character (it's usually what makes cartoons, cartoons) - what is most important is muscles placement and what they represent. Knowing them shows through.

Honestly I don't care about building up muscle, and I think women with lots of muscle look seriously eerie anyway. I also detest all those fitness ads and I would never use one of their machines. (Personally I find the muscle-bound look, with all that sharp definition, that they promote incredibly unsettling.)

Anyway, back on topic, I think Hawke looks realtively realisitc here. Although the shadows on the pectorals look a little heavy, since from the front I can see the 'man-bewb' look, but from the side they are revealed to be much smaller than first they would appear.

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I don't ever want to hear about sexism again. This guy's pecs are like the male version of Isabela.

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I wish Hawke were less buff.  I'm specifically thinking of the arms and shoulders.

Those delts are just silly.

Modifié par Sylvius the Mad, 04 mars 2011 - 11:42 .