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[TheRageWithin]

As a (fairly) newcomer to the lithograph collecting gang, I was hoping someone could fill me in on the average value of the currently released lithographs. Personally, I'm fine from Tali onwards and am hoping to get an idea of how much it'll cost me, in trade or coin, for some of the older ones I never got a chance at getting. I know the basics (Saren, Illium, Citadel all top notch stuff, etc), but it'd be great if someone could give me a rough idea (scale of 1-10 for each litho maybe?) as to what's what exactly. It'd help me out a ton with trading as I don't have as much time to devote to researching this as I'd like and I don't wanna get cheated (no disrespect to anyone) in a trade for one of my duplicates.

Thanks for your time and patience all,

-TheRageWithin.

[stardazzled]

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Modifié par stardazzled, 17 mars 2011 - 02:01 .

[AlphaJarmel]

1.Saren
2.Ilium
3.Citadel
4.Normandy
5.Garrus
6.Tali
7.Miranda
8.Legion
9.Afterlife
10.Illusive Man
11.Minuteman
12.Omega
13.Jack
14.Thane
15.Grunt
16.Collectors
And the rest which is below 100

[antique_nova]

Garrus is worth more than a Normandy and jack is on par with omega and tim.Afterlife is worth more than legion or miranda.

[AlphaJarmel]

Well they're really around the same. Garrus goes around low to mid 200's, same with Normandy. Afterlife to my understanding hover in the 150-200 range, somewhat leaning towards 200, same as Miranda and Legion. Tim goes for around 160-180, Jack judging by the past three auctions the past week, rarely hits 150.

[MSparkyPants]

Saw a Grunt go for about $60.

[stardazzled]

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Modifié par stardazzled, 17 mars 2011 - 02:01 .

[AlphaJarmel]

Not really. Obviously to some extent it's a personal matter but on the whole each lithograph goes for a certain price range, well excluding Citadel, Saren, and Illium.

[antique_nova]

i wasn't talking from a personal point of view, i was talking from seeing online auctions. that's where my views come from. If i was talking from personal point then Tali would be at the top, ^^

[Dsurian]

I almost feel like I'm just repeating what stardazzled said, but since it didn't seem to register, let me reiterate: the open selling/salesmanship/pricing of Litho's via third parties is not permitted on this forum and such discussion should end on this point!

You can have your personal opinion, and whatever you're personally willing to pay for whichever Litho is your own business, but some things to consider:

• The listed price of the Litho's have been ~$40 ($30-$50).  Selling, demanding, or expecting them to be worth anywhere between 200-500% more than that price, similar to whatever auctions you may find or be told about, (IMHO) is completely rediculous and should likely be perceived as such.
• Know that the first sale of the LE Litho's is not the last - for example, as of writing this, a few regular Normandys are still going up for sale, so how could they be 'worth' anything other than the $40 at which they will be sold at.  Also, unlimited Mini's are made featuring the exact same image of the more popular Litho's.
• Remember what arbitrarily makes them 'limited' - the images are reproduced and widely available through other means, while there are several hundred of each regular Litho released, and you get the signature of some no-name Graphic Designer at Bioware who has, despite the attractiveness of their creation, no social recognition.
• What do you think these Litho's will be worth in 5 years?  What about 10...or 20?  Mass Effect is just one of many video-games, whos legacy will probably end after ME3...and it's honestly not that   great of a game - as in, it's no Baldur's Gate, or Deus Ex, or Duke Nukem, or Super Mario...you may think differently, but I guarantee you are quite the minority.  My point is that even as fans, we will likely all-too-soon stop caring about this art, while the rest of the world probably doesn't even care about it now.

...so by all means, try to catch some glimmer of this now, but know that the ignorant and malevoent have made the prices what they appear to be, and by no means should these inflated prices be considered accurate.  But if you all don't mind throwing your money away and encouraing such behavior, then by all means lower yourselves to that point...but do so elsewhere.

Modifié par Dsurian, 05 mars 2011 - 07:57 .

[AlphaJarmel]

Well actually the post was talking about rarity. Which Litho's are rarer than others. My point about the prices was just to show comparison value. We could even go by how often Certain Lithos go up for auction.

In regards to your other points, pricing is always subjective. Especially for some of the older ones. The selling price is really quite irrelevant, if someone is willing to buy an item for a certain price then it is valued at such price. It for example doesn't matter if the Citadel sold for $40, if someone feels it's worth more than 200x times that, than the item as such is worth that amount.  Which is true for any collector's item really.

The thing with the Mini's is that they are much smaller. Some people don't care and others however do.

And some people pay thousands for the signature of artists in general. I'm personally paying 1k for a lithograph of an anime series. It's somewhat normal.

I would hold off on any legacy comments about the ME series until the last game is out. The last two have pretty much been classics and if the third one maintains as such then it could be argued to be one of the best gaming scifi trilogies. The art irregardless is drawn quite well so yes I can some of the pieces holding their value.

Just because you personally feel some of the older (pre-Normandy) pieces aren't worth a certain price, doesn't make it so.

Modifié par AlphaJarmel, 05 mars 2011 - 09:47 .

[Dsurian]

Rarity corresponds to amount produced or the demand. In either way, the OP was talking about how much they are comparatively worth, which is silly (which is our whole point!)...they're worth however much s/he thinks they are. Yes, Illium may be more sought after than Grunt, but if you have an Illium, don't care for it, and really want the Grunt, that trade would probably seem acceptable to either party. You, I, and the OP think differently, but asking for our individual opinions is meaningless since the only opinion that matters is the OP's and probably whoever s/he's trading with.

You (and others) thinking that any Bioware Litho is worth some exuberant amount is exactly why the prices are so high - if you didn't think it was, it wouldn't be. Now why do you think that? Because opportunistic greedy people have bought multiple copies, inflated the price for personal profit, and put it up on ebay...then the ignorant and/or desperate buy them. Now, does that constitute 'market value'? No, it doesn't ...and that answer doesn't change because you (or even I) say it does.

Future worth - Over exposure of the industry changes a lot...for example, Star Wars was big because there was nothing else like it. Mass Effect is the same copy/paste hero dilemma that we have heard over and over again in a market full of similarities (DA:O, GoW, Halo, etc...) ...will we remember it, sure...will it be a 'classic' - as big as something like Star Wars - no. Just my opinion, but it tends to be correct...

If we were ever not talking about trading (which i believe this topic had quickly evolved past), then this discussion is lockable - thats my point, and that's really where this thread should end.

[AlphaJarmel]

Dsurian wrote...

Rarity corresponds to amount produced or the demand. In either way, the OP was talking about how much they are comparatively worth, which is silly (which is our whole point!)...they're worth however much s/he thinks they are. Yes, Illium may be more sought after than Grunt, but if you have an Illium, don't care for it, and really want the Grunt, that trade would probably seem acceptable to either party. You, I, and the OP think differently, but asking for our individual opinions is meaningless since the only opinion that matters is the OP's and probably whoever s/he's trading with.

You (and others) thinking that any Bioware Litho is worth some exuberant amount is exactly why the prices are so high - if you didn't think it was, it wouldn't be. Now why do you think that? Because opportunistic greedy people have bought multiple copies, inflated the price for personal profit, and put it up on ebay...then the ignorant and/or desperate buy them. Now, does that constitute 'market value'? No, it doesn't ...and that answer doesn't change because you (or even I) say it does.

Future worth - Over exposure of the industry changes a lot...for example, Star Wars was big because there was nothing else like it. Mass Effect is the same copy/paste hero dilemma that we have heard over and over again in a market full of similarities (DA:O, GoW, Halo, etc...) ...will we remember it, sure...will it be a 'classic' - as big as something like Star Wars - no. Just my opinion, but it tends to be correct...

If we were ever not talking about trading (which i believe this topic had quickly evolved past), then this discussion is lockable - thats my point, and that's really where this thread should end.

Exactly.  In this case if even 10,000 people are looking for stuff in which there is less than 500 each, then it's pretty damn rare.  That's why Bioware's servers keep crashing each time they've been selling the character lithographs.  Now as for the rest of your points, would trading a Grunt for an Illium by insane?  Not really because each of the owners feels each of the lithographs has a different intrisic value.  It would be insane if you were looking at market value or rarity.  Which should be considered with any trade but people want what they want.

Ebay is the market value.  Anytime a buyer is willing to purchase an item at said price, then it is the market value.  Same with anything.  If nobody was willing to buy a BMW for more than 1 thousand dollars than the market value for a BMW would be sub-1 thousand.  The motives behind a sale are completely irrelevant, what matters it the buyer and seller agree upon an intrisic price for the good.

Star Wars is Star Wars.  Even ignoring the story flaws of Mass Effect(especially 2), it has some of the best art, gameplay, and sound in the industry.  Will it hold up in 20 years?  Who knows.  We may have holodecks by then.  I still play the original KOTOR not because it's Star Wars but because it's a damn good game.  Not to mention older classics.  Hell the original Halo is still being played.  One thing I can easily see being remembered if not implemented into future franchises is the "sequel being affected by the first game" aspect that Mass Effect has really expanded upon.  This though is really irrelevant to the art itself.  You don't play a game on a wall afterall.  The art for me anyway is really quite spectacular and I don't mind getting it framed for down the road and nostalgia's sake.

Well the OP did discuss trading and which were worth and what-not and market value is part of trading.  Anyway even for trading I think that list I posted earlier is a rough enough sketch so*shrug*.