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#202
Posté 04 mai 2012 - 07:41
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The problem is that if they allowed people to play as a Qunari there would be no good or bad choices, no renegade or paragon like choices all the conversation wheels response to choose from would be "You do not understand." or "No"
you can get away with acting however you want and be accountable to nothing and no one.
you can get away with acting however you want and be accountable to nothing and no one.
#203
Posté 04 mai 2012 - 09:15
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Well, all Kossith are not Qunari, just the majorty. Qunari is a philosophy/religion. Technically, if the main character were a Kossith, it would have to be a Tal'Vashoth. Kinda like Maraas in act 1 of da2.
#204
Posté 04 mai 2012 - 11:27
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TheShadowWolf911 wrote...
celienka wrote...
In DA3 I want to BE a qunari
what celienka said.
I third this, celienka! As well as a dwarf, human or elf...
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#205
Posté 04 mai 2012 - 11:39
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TheShadowWolf911 wrote...
i hope we can create characters in DA3 again, and Qunari (or Tal Vashoth, whatever) are a race choice.
i mean come on, how would that NOT be awesome?
This. I hope so too. A Tal-Vashoth kossith, for example, seems like it could be workable IMO...he or she could conceivably be involved in anything a human, elf or dwarf might be...even, perhaps, the mage-templar conflict?
Race choices would be awesome...I truly hope they will make a full return in DA3
#206
Posté 04 mai 2012 - 11:53
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WardenWade wrote...
TheShadowWolf911 wrote...
i hope we can create characters in DA3 again, and Qunari (or Tal Vashoth, whatever) are a race choice.
i mean come on, how would that NOT be awesome?
This. I hope so too. A Tal-Vashoth kossith, for example, seems like it could be workable IMO...he or she could conceivably be involved in anything a human, elf or dwarf might be...even, perhaps, the mage-templar conflict?
Race choices would be awesome...I truly hope they will make a full return in DA3
So, basically ... a Tal'Vashoth Saarabes? XD Epic! haha!
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Posté 05 mai 2012 - 12:48
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M0RD3CA1 VII wrote...
WardenWade wrote...
TheShadowWolf911 wrote...
i hope we can create characters in DA3 again, and Qunari (or Tal Vashoth, whatever) are a race choice.
i mean come on, how would that NOT be awesome?
This. I hope so too. A Tal-Vashoth kossith, for example, seems like it could be workable IMO...he or she could conceivably be involved in anything a human, elf or dwarf might be...even, perhaps, the mage-templar conflict?
Race choices would be awesome...I truly hope they will make a full return in DA3
So, basically ... a Tal'Vashoth Saarabes? XD Epic! haha!
IMO that could be really interesting!
The qunari have such strong views on magic I could see them on either the templar side or (indeed as an outcast Saarabas) the side of the mages. Or even a Saarabas that fights against the mage rebellion, given their philosophy... If I recall correctly...SPOILERS
...the Saarabas character in Redemption was captured and taken to the Circle tower, so I suppose it wouldn't be impossible for them to mix in some fashion..?
#208
Posté 05 mai 2012 - 01:11
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The Chantry will arrest a Qunari Saarabes or a Dalish Keeper if given the chance, no holds barred.
So far, we've had Sten who is a Kossith Qunari, and Tallis who is an Elven Qunari.
So far, we've had Sten who is a Kossith Qunari, and Tallis who is an Elven Qunari.
#209
Posté 05 mai 2012 - 01:57
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M0RD3CA1 VII wrote...
The Chantry will arrest a Qunari Saarabes or a Dalish Keeper if given the chance, no holds barred.
So far, we've had Sten who is a Kossith Qunari, and Tallis who is an Elven Qunari.
That's a good point. As you mention, the Dalish aren't entirely immune to the Chantry, either. Regarding the qunari for example, this sort of thing seems to me like it could make a workable lead-in for race options in DA3. Everyone is involved in the current conflict IMO, or could be, including the qunari. And as far as it goes any race could be a qunari, as we've seen.
#210
Posté 05 mai 2012 - 02:38
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WardenWade wrote...
M0RD3CA1 VII wrote...
The Chantry will arrest a Qunari Saarabes or a Dalish Keeper if given the chance, no holds barred.
So far, we've had Sten who is a Kossith Qunari, and Tallis who is an Elven Qunari.
That's a good point. As you mention, the Dalish aren't entirely immune to the Chantry, either. Regarding the qunari for example, this sort of thing seems to me like it could make a workable lead-in for race options in DA3. Everyone is involved in the current conflict IMO, or could be, including the qunari. And as far as it goes any race could be a qunari, as we've seen.
Correct. The Qun is a Philosophical Religion, and the majority of the Kossith belong to the Qunari, but the Tal'Vashoth have rebelled against the Qun. It is only natural to assume that there are also Kossith who do not belong to the Qun, although most of these have likely become mercenaries (similar to the Krogan in Mass Effect). The Qunari strictly control their mages, the Saarabes, but there could be Kossith mages who do not belong to the Qun. It is a possibility. I do believe that Dragon Age 3 does NEED a Kossith companion or Kossith playable character.
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Posté 05 mai 2012 - 02:47
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M0RD3CA1 VII wrote...
WardenWade wrote...
M0RD3CA1 VII wrote...
The Chantry will arrest a Qunari Saarabes or a Dalish Keeper if given the chance, no holds barred.
So far, we've had Sten who is a Kossith Qunari, and Tallis who is an Elven Qunari.
That's a good point. As you mention, the Dalish aren't entirely immune to the Chantry, either. Regarding the qunari for example, this sort of thing seems to me like it could make a workable lead-in for race options in DA3. Everyone is involved in the current conflict IMO, or could be, including the qunari. And as far as it goes any race could be a qunari, as we've seen.
Correct. The Qun is a Philosophical Religion, and the majority of the Kossith belong to the Qunari, but the Tal'Vashoth have rebelled against the Qun. It is only natural to assume that there are also Kossith who do not belong to the Qun, although most of these have likely become mercenaries (similar to the Krogan in Mass Effect). The Qunari strictly control their mages, the Saarabes, but there could be Kossith mages who do not belong to the Qun. It is a possibility. I do believe that Dragon Age 3 does NEED a Kossith companion or Kossith playable character.
I completely agree, and I like the possibilities of this, M0RD3CA1 VII.
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#212
Posté 05 mai 2012 - 03:22
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The problem is that we really have no idea what a female Kossith's role is in their society. They're hardly ever mentioned, if at all.
#213
Posté 05 mai 2012 - 06:20
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Yes, they actually are. If you play a female Warden in DA:O. It will confuse Sten that you are both a warrior and a female. Can't be both.M0RD3CA1 VII wrote...
The problem is that we really have no idea what a female Kossith's role is in their society. They're hardly ever mentioned, if at all.
#214
Posté 05 mai 2012 - 06:33
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lol one lil mention, easily forgotten; but I remember that now
#215
Posté 05 mai 2012 - 06:57
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Yes it is easy to forget, specially for those not so crazy about Sten. I just remember the circular logic and wanting him to shut up about it.
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Posté 05 mai 2012 - 01:33
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Qunari do not just say "No" and "You do not understand", as demonstrated by Tallis, and on occasion Sten. But playing as a Qunari should definitely give you those extra special choices 
Really, the only reason Sten acted that way was his personality, not his religion. Why can I say this? Look at Tallis. Look at the Arishok, he's even worse than Sten, that's because he's more of a ****. The Saarebas, while devoted to the Qun, and you only briefly spoke to him, seemed like a nice guy. Qunari are not all the same. But I would love the ability to say "No." to every question someone asks you and "You do not understand." to every response to what you say. That would be so cool.
Really, the only reason Sten acted that way was his personality, not his religion. Why can I say this? Look at Tallis. Look at the Arishok, he's even worse than Sten, that's because he's more of a ****. The Saarebas, while devoted to the Qun, and you only briefly spoke to him, seemed like a nice guy. Qunari are not all the same. But I would love the ability to say "No." to every question someone asks you and "You do not understand." to every response to what you say. That would be so cool.
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Posté 05 mai 2012 - 05:43
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M0RD3CA1 VII wrote...
The problem is that we really have no idea what a female Kossith's role is in their society. They're hardly ever mentioned, if at all.
If you play a female Warden, Sten says, "Women are priests, artisans, shopkeepers, or farmers. They don't fight."
I think you can ask him further about women in Qunari society, but I know the Dragon Age Wiki goes into more detail.
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Really, the only reason Sten acted that way was his personality, not his religion. Why can I say this? Look at Tallis. Look at the Arishok, he's even worse than Sten, that's because he's more of a ****. The Saarebas, while devoted to the Qun, and you only briefly spoke to him, seemed like a nice guy. Qunari are not all the same.
I agree on some level, but don't forget that Tallis, the Arishok and the Saarebas also had different backgrounds, upbringings and places in Qunari society from Sten. While it's true that the Qun doesn't dictate its followers' entire personalities down to the eyelash, (Sten incredulously answers no whenever asked if all Qunari are like him, and Fenris says that whenever foreigners aren't around, "they gossip and complain just like anyone.") it still influences part of who they are and how they see the world. No one is completely untouched by their upbringing, education, society, culture, beliefs and so on.
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#218
Posté 05 mai 2012 - 10:01
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Hm ... very interesting. Tallis is definitely not a normal Qunari though. Sten and the Arishok are very similar in behavior. Saarabes and Maraas are the only two that I saw that had some type of personality.
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Posté 07 mai 2012 - 03:07
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Hm ... very interesting. Tallis is definitely not a normal Qunari though. Sten and the Arishok are very similar in behavior. Saarabes and Maraas are the only two that I saw that had some type of personality.
I don't think it's fair to compare these different people because they have different upbringings and functions under the Qun.
-Tallis converted to the Qun supposedly in her adolescence at the earliest and was trained to be a Ben-Hassrath, or priest, so she would naturally behave differently from people who were raised by the Qun from infancy or who have different jobs under it.
-Sten and the Arishok are both military leaders that were born and raised by the Qun. They probably showed great fighting prowess and leadership skills as children, so they were probably sorted into milita training where they were likely conditioned to excel all their lives. In a society where people are defined by what they do and not who they are, and Sten and the Arishok have jobs that require them to be stoic and disciplined to work effectively, of course they would behave similarly.
When you think about it further, they also find themselves in similar circumstances. They are both stranded in a foreign land (Fereldan for Sten, Kirkwall for the Arishok) while on a fetch mission (learn about the Blight for Sten, retrieve the Tome for the Arishock), can't return home until they complete said mission, and have to deal with being gawked and prodded by what they consider to be insufferable simpletons. That would sour anyone's mood, and when you keep in mind what Fenris says about Qunari acting differently when they know foreigners are watching them, then one can infer that they behave more naturally in their own element (as one can observe with Sten if you get to know him). Outward behavior =/= internal personality.
-I don't know if the Saarebas showed any more personality from Sten or the Arishock. The Qun calls for absolute obedience in everything that one is commanded to do and the Saarebas does exactly what the Qun commands of him, same as Sten and the Arishok. It's just that what he's commanded to do happens to be different from what it commands of military leaders like them.
-Maraas is not a Qunari, he is Tal-Vashoth, one who has rejected the Qun. Though I'll own he is an interesting character.
#220
Posté 08 mai 2012 - 08:42
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I just want to romance one, urm...one of the grey giants---DO THEY EVEN HAVE A NAME. What race are they? Or do they believe in no such construct. Sigh...they should have a name, otherwise how am I am going to play one on DA3? :3
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Posté 08 mai 2012 - 08:59
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Pappi wrote...
I just want to romance one, urm...one of the grey giants---DO THEY EVEN HAVE A NAME. What race are they? Or do they believe in no such construct. Sigh...they should have a name, otherwise how am I am going to play one on DA3? :3
They're Kossith.
#222
Posté 08 mai 2012 - 09:00
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Oh, I did not know that. (The more you know!) Is that in the codex?
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Posté 08 mai 2012 - 09:18
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Pappi wrote...
Oh, I did not know that. (The more you know!) Is that in the codex?
Here's the Kossith wiki article. I'm not sure where to pick up a codex on them from within the game.
#225
Posté 09 mai 2012 - 08:48
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Reading excerpts from "Sten and the Warden" turned me off on a qunari romance.
