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[Sylvianus]

People identify with their characters, most of the time.. Maybe people simply doesn' t want to be forced to be bi, or to be forced to have a relationship with a bi. I don't see where the biphobia. Prefer to have a romance exclusively straight or gay doesn't mean that you are not able to tolerate and love those who are bi.

It was also much more acceptable if everyone wasn't bi. This unrealistic fact has certainly increased the feeling.

In short, silly accusations. Sometimes people say really ridiculous things.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 06 mars 2011 - 01:23 .

[Mariefoxprice83]

Not too worried about the orientation of the characters so long as my Hawke(s) can romance the people I want them to romance come game time, Having said that I thought I would always stick to straight romances in Origins but my male Warden found himself involved with both Morrigan and Zevran because I am rather too fond of that sexy elf! Clearly I can make an exception in the right circumstances. :-)

[jussyr]

Tyrium wrote...

I hope its mostly subjective sexuality. But I hope they keep Isabella bi, it would be just as bad to make her suddenly straight as I find it to make Anders suddenly bi. All I want is a potential situation where Anders is straight, because that fits my perception in Awakening.

Fem!Hawke for Anders, then M!Hawke for Fenris. (I love me some good slash, but Anders is straight to me)

Really?  He always came off as bi to me in Awakening.  The liking women part, obviously, but he was outright flirting with Nathaniel in that "do you wear robes all the time?" conversation, between the content of his reply and the tone of his voice.

[Snowbug]

jatman wrote...
Even so I dont think that someone not feeling coimfortable dating a bi person is biphobic. I can totally see why. My friend i mentioned is very live and let live and supportive of gay and bi people. But it is possiblke to be a bit worried someone else will attept to take your guy/girl away. Not sayingh a bi person is more likely to respond to those advances, just that the advances being able to come from both genders could set peoples teeth to grate. Which I donmt think is phobic in any sense, just cautious against ANYONE flirting with your partner and  just not being overjoyed that the amount of potential people trying it on is now possibly more.

Such people ought to work on their own insecurity issues rather than use it as an excuse to avoid bisexual people.

[vengerturtle]

Even so I dont think that someone not feeling coimfortable dating a bi person is biphobic. I can totally see why. My friend i mentioned is very live and let live and supportive of gay and bi people. But it is possiblke to be a bit worried someone else will attept to take your guy/girl away. Not sayingh a bi person is more likely to respond to those advances, just that the advances being able to come from both genders could set peoples teeth to grate. Which I donmt think is phobic in any sense, just cautious against ANYONE flirting with your partner and  just not being overjoyed that the amount of potential people trying it on is now possibly more.

What even is this post? People are not animals with no control over their own actions who jump from partner to partner because someone flirts with them. If your partner dumps you or cheats on you, then your partner is a bad person. It's as simple as that - if he's the cheating type, he's going to cheat, and there being bi people in the world doesn't magically make it more likely that he will cheat. There aren't bi people waiting in the wings to steal all the straight people's boyfriends and girlfriends. This attitude speaks to nothing but someone's insecurity about their own relationships - "I'm afraid someone will come along and steal my boyfriend/girlfriend! I have no faith in my partner's fidelity! So I'm uncomfortable around bi people, because those bi people just wait around looking for people in relationships to hit on!" Really?

[Erani]

missnicolec wrote...

Even so I dont think that someone not feeling coimfortable dating a bi person is biphobic. I can totally see why. My friend i mentioned is very live and let live and supportive of gay and bi people. But it is possiblke to be a bit worried someone else will attept to take your guy/girl away. Not sayingh a bi person is more likely to respond to those advances, just that the advances being able to come from both genders could set peoples teeth to grate. Which I donmt think is phobic in any sense, just cautious against ANYONE flirting with your partner and  just not being overjoyed that the amount of potential people trying it on is now possibly more.

What even is this post? People are not animals with no control over their own actions who jump from partner to partner because someone flirts with them. If your partner dumps you or cheats on you, then your partner is a bad person. It's as simple as that - if he's the cheating type, he's going to cheat, and there being bi people in the world doesn't magically make it more likely that he will cheat. There aren't bi people waiting in the wings to steal all the straight people's boyfriends and girlfriends. This attitude speaks to nothing but someone's insecurity about their own relationships - "I'm afraid someone will come along and steal my boyfriend/girlfriend! I have no faith in my partner's fidelity! So I'm uncomfortable around bi people, because those bi people just wait around looking for people in relationships to hit on!" Really?

You said it perfectly. This.

[J.C. Blade]

I don't think it's about cheating even. Not really, since that is more of a matter of person's character than orientation. But it is about preference. There is nothing shameful or derogatory in having one preference over the other. Isn't that what homosexual community has been fighting for, for decades now? To be free to choose who you're going to love without being looked down on?

[jatman]

Snowbug wrote...

jatman wrote...
Even so I dont think that someone not feeling coimfortable dating a bi person is biphobic. I can totally see why. My friend i mentioned is very live and let live and supportive of gay and bi people. But it is possiblke to be a bit worried someone else will attept to take your guy/girl away. Not sayingh a bi person is more likely to respond to those advances, just that the advances being able to come from both genders could set peoples teeth to grate. Which I donmt think is phobic in any sense, just cautious against ANYONE flirting with your partner and  just not being overjoyed that the amount of potential people trying it on is now possibly more.

Such people ought to work on their own insecurity issues rather than use it as an excuse to avoid bisexual people.

whilst i agree the insecurity must be worked on, there is a certain amount of give and take in a relationship that lets their bi partner understand this view if not agree with it. That said as Dragon Age is a GAME people shouldnt have to do the whol self therapy thing just for the sake of satisfying others. They get the right to have their insecurities in-game. I think the romances being bi is great and nice varied mix of great characters but the person having to bring up ANY past sexual partners is a bit urgh. Unless for the sake of the story pf course. Im just against "the tak" as i said b4. about explaining their sexuality till the person is a bit "back away slowly" i didnt need to know

[Taleroth]

Sylvianus wrote...

Maybe people simply doesn' t want to be forced to be bi, or to be forced to have a relationship with a bi. I don't see where the biphobia.

Nobody's forcing anything.  But it's exactly biphobia.

Prefer to have a romance exclusively straight or gay doesn't mean that you are not able to tolerate and love those who are bi.

If this was mere preference, it wouldn't even be brought up.  Do you see these kind of topics coming up because none of the romanceable female companions are blonde?  I think lots of guys prefer blondes.  But you don't see people going "I would never date a non-Blonde" or any of this other nonsense.

This isn't people having mere preference.   This is prejudice and significant bias. 

Modifié par Taleroth, 06 mars 2011 - 06:43 .

[Swanea]

It's funny though. You have a CHOICE to totally not interact in a bisexual manner with any of these computer generated characters.
But the fact that you could is just too upsetting. lol.

That seems to me that if you knew a bisexual/gay person, you'd be worried they might hit on you. Or you think that after they know you are not that way, that they would keep making moves on you.

People sure are silly!

[scootermcgaffin]

I know everyone likes to assume they're completely and totally open minded, but "ew bisexuals I would never date one of those" is basically a perfect example of biphobia.

[jatman]

Erani wrote...

missnicolec wrote...

Even so I dont think that someone not feeling coimfortable dating a bi person is biphobic. I can totally see why. My friend i mentioned is very live and let live and supportive of gay and bi people. But it is possiblke to be a bit worried someone else will attept to take your guy/girl away. Not sayingh a bi person is more likely to respond to those advances, just that the advances being able to come from both genders could set peoples teeth to grate. Which I donmt think is phobic in any sense, just cautious against ANYONE flirting with your partner and  just not being overjoyed that the amount of potential people trying it on is now possibly more.

What even is this post? People are not animals with no control over their own actions who jump from partner to partner because someone flirts with them. If your partner dumps you or cheats on you, then your partner is a bad person. It's as simple as that - if he's the cheating type, he's going to cheat, and there being bi people in the world doesn't magically make it more likely that he will cheat. There aren't bi people waiting in the wings to steal all the straight people's boyfriends and girlfriends. This attitude speaks to nothing but someone's insecurity about their own relationships - "I'm afraid someone will come along and steal my boyfriend/girlfriend! I have no faith in my partner's fidelity! So I'm uncomfortable around bi people, because those bi people just wait around looking for people in relationships to hit on!" Really?

You said it perfectly. This.

as i said before it was meant as a statement to understand why poeple might be uncomfortable, if thats due to insecurity then fine, but thats not a reason to call them biphobic or homophobic, or in some cases hetrophobic. It may well be insecurity but its not meant as an offense against a particular sexual identity and thats what i was defending. A person shouldnt be labelled as prejudice against bi people just because their insecure about their ability to keep their partner. I cant even remember who said the post that i was defending now but i just dont see the need to label people so easily is all.  seems a bit silly to go kamakazie on whoever it was for having a preference about a game

Modifié par jatman, 06 mars 2011 - 06:51 .

[this isnt my name]

I have no problem with bisexual characters. My problem is everyone being bi sexual. Just not realistic, someone should be just gay, others just straight, others bi, everyone being bi just bothers me.

[scootermcgaffin]

First, they are never going to make a "just gay (or lesbian)" romance, because it unfortunately is simply not economically viable. Second, Fenris and Merrill most likely suffer from subjective sexuality and therefore are completely without sexuality until you approach them.

[Ryzaki]

this isnt my name wrote...

I have no problem with bisexual characters. My problem is everyone being bi sexual. Just not realistic, someone should be just gay, others just straight, others bi, everyone being bi just bothers me.

Everyone isn't bisexual.

Sebastian is straight, as is Varric and Aveline. 

And most likely dozens of NPCs and the like you meet. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 06 mars 2011 - 06:55 .

[jatman]

scootermcgaffin wrote...

First, they are never going to make a "just gay (or lesbian)" romance, because it unfortunately is simply not economically viable. Second, Fenris and Merrill most likely suffer from subjective sexuality and therefore are completely without sexuality until you approach them.

I like this. :3 Merril/Feenris thing. I think its sweet you can fall for one another baased on a love of the person and having gender not factor in.

[sevalaricgirl]

mynameisdanza wrote...

So, for clarification, the characters don't tell you that they're attracted to both sexes unless you flirt with them as a s/s?

And we know this how?  Zevran was definitely a bi and he said he liked both if you asked him what his preference was.  He was blatantly bi.  Alistair asks him about a tattoo and he says that he'd have to bath Alistair in oil and massage it in.  That is blatant.  And another thing, it is not homophobic to not want to have a relationship with a bi/gay man or woman.  And why is it that the gays/bis are the ones bashing the straight people on this site.  It's simply unintelligent.  I haven't seen anyone who was straight bash gays or bis on any thread, but hell if we, who are straight, say something that gay/bis don't like, we get bashed and that's perfectly acceptable. 

[jatman]

also I know I shouldnt but Im chuckling now at how I usually spend my time arguing as gay man against hiomophobes and in trying to defend one person from being labelle dhomophobe simply by a game preference im in danger of being seen as biphobic. oh for shame.

[Aesieru]

thedistortedchild wrote...

Dr. wonderful wrote...
He wasn't.

I read it in the Game Guide.

Thanks! 
Now I just have to stop thinking of the kid in the neverending story every time I hear his voice...

Or Paul Atreides from Dune.

---

So that I can get some flaming, because I miss it oh so much...

I'm a Christian (though this doesn't influence why I think what I think) not of the catholicism variety. In addition, I recognize that according to faith (which I agree with) it is an abominable act to engage with sexual interactions with another of the same gender, simply for two reasons:

One: it does not invoke any conducive element to society and can not create a child, therefore as indicated it is unnatural (which is true, as it's not the "natural" way for your body and instincts towards procreation to work).

Second: If it took prime, we would most likely (not to be exclusive of upcoming possibilities) have died out long ago just like if we had sex with the same family (blood would become infected, lack of diversity, end of story, we'd die by our own poisons and inabilities to relate to new chemicals).

These things, show me it's unnatural.

In any case, I'm not against homosexuals, bi-sexuals (never met one), transexuals (knew a conversion, but she was pretty against all religion and irritating), and what not... but that doesn't mean I agree with them, and as such as I disagree, that doesn't mean my aversion to those topics or frequent interaction is a "phobia" so much as what I'm comfortable with.

Modifié par Aesieru, 06 mars 2011 - 07:05 .

[falconlord5]

sevalaricgirl wrote...

mynameisdanza wrote...

So, for clarification, the characters don't tell you that they're attracted to both sexes unless you flirt with them as a s/s?

And we know this how?  Zevran was definitely a bi and he said he liked both if you asked him what his preference was.  He was blatantly bi.  Alistair asks him about a tattoo and he says that he'd have to bath Alistair in oil and massage it in.  That is blatant.  And another thing, it is not homophobic to not want to have a relationship with a bi/gay man or woman.  And why is it that the gays/bis are the ones bashing the straight people on this site.  It's simply unintelligent.  I haven't seen anyone who was straight bash gays or bis on any thread, but hell if we, who are straight, say something that gay/bis don't like, we get bashed and that's perfectly acceptable. 

You're a little late to the party my friend, there have been a number of gay-bashers on these threads.

The last one I remember was on the Anders thread, though there have been others. And no, those in support of Bi romances have not bashed the minority of straight people who spoken out against them.

[jatman]

sevalaricgirl wrote...

mynameisdanza wrote...

So, for clarification, the characters don't tell you that they're attracted to both sexes unless you flirt with them as a s/s?

And we know this how?  Zevran was definitely a bi and he said he liked both if you asked him what his preference was.  He was blatantly bi.  Alistair asks him about a tattoo and he says that he'd have to bath Alistair in oil and massage it in.  That is blatant.  And another thing, it is not homophobic to not want to have a relationship with a bi/gay man or woman.  And why is it that the gays/bis are the ones bashing the straight people on this site.  It's simply unintelligent.  I haven't seen anyone who was straight bash gays or bis on any thread, but hell if we, who are straight, say something that gay/bis don't like, we get bashed and that's perfectly acceptable. 

Erm hello? Gay man here. OW! Just got verbally kicked for defending a statement that people then swarmed on them calling them biphobic. Not everyone is bashing straight people. I dont think they are trying to either I think people just go a bit overboard. I mean I liek the all bi options, but as i said they shouldnt be Zevranesque as their sexuality shouldnt come up unless brought up by the player. That way everyone wins.

[sevalaricgirl]

falconlord5 wrote...

sevalaricgirl wrote...

mynameisdanza wrote...

So, for clarification, the characters don't tell you that they're attracted to both sexes unless you flirt with them as a s/s?

And we know this how?  Zevran was definitely a bi and he said he liked both if you asked him what his preference was.  He was blatantly bi.  Alistair asks him about a tattoo and he says that he'd have to bath Alistair in oil and massage it in.  That is blatant.  And another thing, it is not homophobic to not want to have a relationship with a bi/gay man or woman.  And why is it that the gays/bis are the ones bashing the straight people on this site.  It's simply unintelligent.  I haven't seen anyone who was straight bash gays or bis on any thread, but hell if we, who are straight, say something that gay/bis don't like, we get bashed and that's perfectly acceptable. 

You're a little late to the party my friend, there have been a number of gay-bashers on these threads.

The last one I remember was on the Anders thread, though there have been others. And no, those in support of Bi romances have not bashed the minority of straight people who spoken out against them.

No I got bashed on the Anders thread because I said that I don't mind if they're bi characters as long as it's not blatant like Zevran and I'm an author with two of my main characters who are lesbians, one of the couple is bi.  I got ripped a big one because my gaming preference is to not have any character openly admit that they're gay/bi.

[falconlord5]

sevalaricgirl wrote...

falconlord5 wrote...

sevalaricgirl wrote...

mynameisdanza wrote...

So, for clarification, the characters don't tell you that they're attracted to both sexes unless you flirt with them as a s/s?

And we know this how?  Zevran was definitely a bi and he said he liked both if you asked him what his preference was.  He was blatantly bi.  Alistair asks him about a tattoo and he says that he'd have to bath Alistair in oil and massage it in.  That is blatant.  And another thing, it is not homophobic to not want to have a relationship with a bi/gay man or woman.  And why is it that the gays/bis are the ones bashing the straight people on this site.  It's simply unintelligent.  I haven't seen anyone who was straight bash gays or bis on any thread, but hell if we, who are straight, say something that gay/bis don't like, we get bashed and that's perfectly acceptable. 

You're a little late to the party my friend, there have been a number of gay-bashers on these threads.

The last one I remember was on the Anders thread, though there have been others. And no, those in support of Bi romances have not bashed the minority of straight people who spoken out against them.

No I got bashed on the Anders thread because I said that I don't mind if they're bi characters as long as it's not blatant like Zevran and I'm an author with two of my main characters who are lesbians, one of the couple is bi.  I got ripped a big one because my gaming preference is to not have any character openly admit that they're gay/bi.

You're really late to the party, then. I'm talking about a troll who came long after you, and made seriously homophobic and biphobic comments.

For which we ripped them a new one, of course.

[sevalaricgirl]

jatman wrote...

sevalaricgirl wrote...

mynameisdanza wrote...

So, for clarification, the characters don't tell you that they're attracted to both sexes unless you flirt with them as a s/s?

And we know this how?  Zevran was definitely a bi and he said he liked both if you asked him what his preference was.  He was blatantly bi.  Alistair asks him about a tattoo and he says that he'd have to bath Alistair in oil and massage it in.  That is blatant.  And another thing, it is not homophobic to not want to have a relationship with a bi/gay man or woman.  And why is it that the gays/bis are the ones bashing the straight people on this site.  It's simply unintelligent.  I haven't seen anyone who was straight bash gays or bis on any thread, but hell if we, who are straight, say something that gay/bis don't like, we get bashed and that's perfectly acceptable. 

Erm hello? Gay man here. OW! Just got verbally kicked for defending a statement that people then swarmed on them calling them biphobic. Not everyone is bashing straight people. I dont think they are trying to either I think people just go a bit overboard. I mean I liek the all bi options, but as i said they shouldnt be Zevranesque as their sexuality shouldnt come up unless brought up by the player. That way everyone wins.

Wasn't pointing at you, really.  I just am tired of being called a homophobe because I don't want Zevranesque characters.  It was another post.  Not all of us who are straight have anything against gays or bis.  I don't care what anyone's preference is but in game it shouldn't be blatant because it ruins the immersion.

[JoshPloof]

jatman wrote...

sevalaricgirl wrote...

mynameisdanza wrote...

So, for clarification, the characters don't tell you that they're attracted to both sexes unless you flirt with them as a s/s?

And we know this how?  Zevran was definitely a bi and he said he liked both if you asked him what his preference was.  He was blatantly bi.  Alistair asks him about a tattoo and he says that he'd have to bath Alistair in oil and massage it in.  That is blatant.  And another thing, it is not homophobic to not want to have a relationship with a bi/gay man or woman.  And why is it that the gays/bis are the ones bashing the straight people on this site.  It's simply unintelligent.  I haven't seen anyone who was straight bash gays or bis on any thread, but hell if we, who are straight, say something that gay/bis don't like, we get bashed and that's perfectly acceptable. 

 but as i said they shouldnt be Zevranesque as their sexuality shouldnt come up unless brought up by the player. That way everyone wins.

I think Isabella is going to be very Zevran-esque.