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[mesmerizedish]

Tielis wrote...

The best possible scenario would have been for Leliana to be either bi or gay or hetero depending on what setting we choose in the beginning.  Marjolaine didn't have to be sexual with Leliana for her to experience a deep love and betrayal.

The best possible scenario would have been for Zevran to mention that he prefers whatever sex your character is.  And even go so far as to make up a side storyline as to why he, as an exception, never had experience with the opposite of your choice.  (Or if you chose the bisexual option, hey, he went either way.)

All this would entail is a few lines to be variables instead of written only one way, and to have several versions of each characters' backstory.  Not really all that difficult for a writer of any talent to do.  We don't need to get into many hours of work here.  Just a few line changes here and there, akin to how the dialog changed whether you were a Mage, Dalish, etc.

It saddens me that, in order to move forward in one way, we apparently have to move backwards in another.  Neither homosexuals, nor bisexuals, nor heterosexuals should have their preference forced upon another for the sake of "this is all we get".

Except that's stupid, too expensive, and goes against how the characters are written. The way it is, you have two characters who are bisexual. That's because they're written as bisexual. Don't like it? Deal with it. Those are the characters. I don't like that Varric's a dwarf, I hate dwarves. I deal with it. The other two LIs are either straight or gay(or gay-curious, <3 Mr. Gaider) depending on whether or not you flirt with them. Merrill will never express an interest in women unless you flirt with her as a woman. Merrill will never express an interest in men unless you flirt with her as a man.

I think this solution is perfectly acceptable. If you don't, then... I don't know what to do for you

[Tielis]

wulfsturm wrote...

Tielis wrote...

Agreed.  One could even argue that Zevran was forced into it.  We simply don't know.

One cannot be forced into being bisexual.

No, but they can be forced into the act and also forced to pretend to be whatever they are expected to be.

[Maelora]

Tielis wrote...
It saddens me that, in order to move forward in one way, we apparently have to move backwards in another.  Neither homosexuals, nor bisexuals, nor heterosexuals should have their preference forced upon another for the sake of "this is all we get".

I won't disagree with you.

But Bioware have repeatedly said they wll not do this, ever. 

Being gay, you get used to crumbs, you get used to the fact that things are rarely fair.  

Sometimes we just have to work with what we have.

And if the choice is 'het only' (like every other game) or 'all bi', then the latter is the better option.  

[Space Toaster]

What's so revolting about bisexuality?

[mesmerizedish]

Space Toaster wrote...

What's so revolting about bisexuality?

I dunno. I dated a bi girl once. She left me for a man. Ouch. I'd totally do it again though. Who goes into a relationship expecting it to end, amirite?

[Maelora]

Tielis wrote...
No, but they can be forced into the act and also forced to pretend to be whatever they are expected to be.

Agreed, but years later, if he hated it, he could easily say so. 

But we're talking about Zevran here... the whole point of that character is that he's completely disconnected between sex and love.  Sleeping with him is easy; winning his love (as either gender) is what's difficult, and rewarding.

[Taleroth]

The Water God wrote...

Society has alot emphasis on someones sexuality.

I saw your edit.  I have my eye on you.

Poor Lelianna.

[wulfsturm]

Kazanth wrote...
I didn't say that people don't pretend to be bisexual for whatever reasons.

I didn't say you did, either.

Tielis wrote...

No, but they can be forced into the act and also forced to pretend to be whatever they are expected to be.

Being forced to have sex with someone of your own sex does not make you bisexual, I'm afraid to say. It makes you a rape victim.

Modifié par wulfsturm, 05 mars 2011 - 09:11 .

[Isaidlunch]

The Water God wrote...

Society can have alot impact on someones sexuality. Are you trying to say that all the LI's being bi is just a coincidence?

Yes. An incredible coincedence and one that only makes sense because it's a game.

[Carfax]

Space Toaster wrote...

What's so revolting about bisexuality?

Nothing revolting about it, but a lot of heterosexuals prefer to date other heterosexuals, and not bisexuals..  

Gays are the same way from what I've heard.  There is a lot of biphobia in the gay community as well. 

[Maelora]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...
I dunno. I dated a bi girl once. She left me for a man. Ouch. I'd totally do it again though. Who goes into a relationship expecting it to end, amirite?

Heh, I get that a lot.   I dated guys before I knew better, in my wayward youth.  And I still get 'but you'll leave me for a man!'.

Anyway, Ish... you were right about them being bi, and I am DELIGHTED to be proved wrong,

Kudos, King Ferdinand.

[Tielis]

Maelora wrote...

Tielis wrote...
No, but they can be forced into the act and also forced to pretend to be whatever they are expected to be.

Agreed, but years later, if he hated it, he could easily say so. 

But we're talking about Zevran here... the whole point of that character is that he's completely disconnected between sex and love.  Sleeping with him is easy; winning his love (as either gender) is what's difficult, and rewarding.

Agreed, he was by far my favorite character.  But, as in your game with Leliana, in my game Zevran was never truly into men. 

My only point is that this is not how we should be forced to play the game -- choosing to ignore inconsistencies for the sake of our own preferences.

We may not be there now, but someday we will be.  I will never believe in "never". 

[Isaidlunch]

wulfsturm wrote...

Kazanth wrote...
I didn't say that people don't pretend to be bisexual for whatever reasons.

I didn't say you did, either.

Then why did you throw the Catholic question at me?

[Icy Magebane]

Carfax wrote...

Space Toaster wrote...

What's so revolting about bisexuality?

Nothing revolting about it, but a lot of heterosexuals prefer to date other heterosexuals, and not bisexuals..  

Gays are the same way from what I've heard.  There is a lot of biphobia in the gay community as well. 

This.  Heterosexuals aren't the only ones who feel this way, yet we get the most scrutiny by far.

[mesmerizedish]

The Water God wrote...

Taleroth wrote...

The Water God wrote...

Society has alot emphasis on someones sexuality.

I saw your edit.  I have my eye on you.

Poor Lelianna.

Alot of people have already said the exact same thing I said about Leli.

WHAT DID YOU SAY ABOUT MY LELIANA? AM I GONNA HAFTUH SMACKUH BETCH?!?!

[Maelora]

Carfax wrote...
Nothing revolting about it, but a lot of heterosexuals prefer to date other heterosexuals, and not bisexuals..  
Gays are the same way from what I've heard.  There is a lot of biphobia in the gay community as well. 

Yes, but we fall in love with people, not sexualities.

How does someone know their partner is bi, unless they mention it, or are forever lusting after those of the opposite gender?

[Maelora]

The Water God wrote...
A lot of people have already said the exact same thing I said about Leli.

What did you say, pre-edit?

[Mike_Hawke]

They were going to have Alistair and Morigan be bisexual in Dragon Age: O. I'm glad Bioware had the balls to follow through this time.

[wulfsturm]

Kazanth wrote...

Then why did you throw the Catholic question at me?

Because your past, your background shapes who you are as a person.

/Shrug I'm confused as well.

[AlexXIV]

They are not all bi. Whoever seriously claims that was probably dropped on the head once too often when they were a baby. How many romances are in and what orientation we don't know. But considering that the more LIs, the more shallow every single will be, I doubt it will be that many.

[Tielis]

Maelora wrote...

Carfax wrote...
Nothing revolting about it, but a lot of heterosexuals prefer to date other heterosexuals, and not bisexuals..  
Gays are the same way from what I've heard.  There is a lot of biphobia in the gay community as well. 

Yes, but we fall in love with people, not sexualities.

How does someone know their partner is bi, unless they mention it, or are forever lusting after those of the opposite gender?

Presumably one is honest with someone they intend to sleep with or have a relationship with.  I've never been into casual sex, and I'm not one to keep that sort of distance with someone I'm going to be intimate with.

What I find very disturbing about this forum is that apparently the only preference that is acceptable is to be bisexual, otherwise you're labeled a bi-phobe.

Just as some people are born bisexual and homosexual, some people are born fully heterosexual.  Really.  I'm not making it up.

[wulfsturm]

Tielis wrote...

Presumably one is honest with someone they intend to sleep with or have a relationship with.  I've never been into casual sex, and I'm not one to keep that sort of distance with someone I'm going to be intimate with.

What I find very disturbing about this forum is that apparently the only preference that is acceptable is to be bisexual, otherwise you're labeled a bi-phobe.

Just as some people are born bisexual and homosexual, some people are born fully heterosexual.  Really.  I'm not making it up.

You're displaying an aversion to bisexual people, thus making you a biphobe. Really, I'm not making it up.

And I'm also a heterosexual male, in case you were wondering.

Modifié par wulfsturm, 05 mars 2011 - 09:24 .

[mesmerizedish]

Carfax wrote...

Space Toaster wrote...

What's so revolting about bisexuality?

Nothing revolting about it, but a lot of heterosexuals prefer to date other heterosexuals, and not bisexuals..  

Gays are the same way from what I've heard.  There is a lot of biphobia in the gay community as well. 

Everything in this post is true. That doesn't make it okay. There is a lot biphobia, both in the straight community and the gay community. It's still ugly and wrong.