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[Carfax]

Maelora wrote...
Yes, but we fall in love with people, not sexualities.

How does someone know their partner is bi, unless they mention it, or are forever lusting after those of the opposite gender?

Our sexuality is an important aspect of our character, or personality.  Anyway, I agree that just because someone is bisexual, doesn't mean they are promiscuous or a bad person.

But most people want as much compatability as they can get, so why would you knowingly fall in love with someone with markedly different sexuality from your own that could potentially cause problems further down the road?

[Maelora]

Tielis wrote...
What I find very disturbing about this forum is that apparently the only preference that is acceptable is to be bisexual, otherwise you're labeled a bi-phobe.
Just as some people are born bisexual and homosexual, some people are born fully heterosexual.  Really.  I'm not making it up.

I don't think you're homophobic. 

But we're discussing the LIs here, and the greater context in which BW decides who is bi or straight.

Having determined BW simply don't do gay-only Lis, they have a choice of straight or bi.

Having them bi makes them accessible to all players.  Why is that a bad thing?

[Maelora]

Carfax wrote...
But most people want as much compatability as they can get, so why would you knowingly fall in love with someone with markedly different sexuality from your own that could potentially cause problems further down the road?

You're suggesting bisexual people should ONLY date other bisexuals?

[wulfsturm]

Maelora wrote...

You're suggesting bisexual people should ONLY date other bisexuals?

Don't you people know? You're the third human sex!

/Troll.

[Space Toaster]

Tielis wrote...
What I find very disturbing about this forum is that apparently the only preference that is acceptable is to be bisexual, otherwise you're labeled a bi-phobe.

There aren't a lot of bisexuals around here.
I don't know what you're talking about.

[AlexXIV]

The Water God wrote...

Maelora wrote...

Carfax wrote...
But most people want as much compatability as they can get, so why would you knowingly fall in love with someone with markedly different sexuality from your own that could potentially cause problems further down the road?

You're suggesting bisexual people should ONLY date other bisexuals?

Yeah and I think they should be put in seperate schools, and drink from seperate water fountains.

And should have a yellow sign stiched on their clothes that clearly states 'BI':

[Maelora]

[quote]Tielis wrote...
The best possible scenario would have been for Leliana to be either bi or gay or hetero depending on what setting we choose in the beginning. 
[quote]

Tielis, you keep going on about a 'setting' but we've established BW are never gonna do that.

And you know, some people's sexuality is fluid.  I might go into a game thinking my character is straight, then fall head-over-heels with someone of the same gender. Or vice-versa.  Why do I have to limit my character's options at the start with a preset 'setting'? 

Modifié par Maelora, 05 mars 2011 - 09:29 .

[Maelora]

The Water God wrote...
That's just a rumor

Alastair and Morrigan are rumours, yes.

But in ME and ME2, bi romances were planned and even recorded, and then scrapped. 

Modifié par Maelora, 05 mars 2011 - 09:29 .

[Carfax]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Everything in this post is true. That doesn't make it okay. There is a lot biphobia, both in the straight community and the gay community. It's still ugly and wrong.

Yes, but there's a reason why that biphobia exists. As I mentioned earlier, dating someone that is potentially attracted to both sexes can be problematic, because what if that person decides to act on their desire?

The partner of the bisexual is now at a disadvantage because he/she is unable to satisfy the need or craving of their bisexual partner.

I know a gay woman that hates bisexuals with a burning passion......but thats only because she's been burned so many times.

[Tielis]

Maelora wrote...

I don't think you're homophobic. 

But we're discussing the LIs here, and the greater context in which BW decides who is bi or straight.

Having determined BW simply don't do gay-only Lis, they have a choice of straight or bi.

Having them bi makes them accessible to all players.  Why is that a bad thing?

It's not a bad thing, it is a step forward.  However, like I said, it is also a step backwards.  We're not where we need to be yet.

BioWare is in the business of bringing fantasy to life with these games, correct?  What happens to the fantasies of strictly monosexual people if they must settle for a bisexual fantasy?

You like chocolate.  I like peanut butter.  We must both settle for a Reese's instead of being able to choose chocolate, peanut butter, or a Reese's!

[Taleroth]

Tielis wrote...

Maelora wrote...

I don't think you're homophobic. 

But we're discussing the LIs here, and the greater context in which BW decides who is bi or straight.

Having determined BW simply don't do gay-only Lis, they have a choice of straight or bi.

Having them bi makes them accessible to all players.  Why is that a bad thing?

It's not a bad thing, it is a step forward.  However, like I said, it is also a step backwards.  We're not where we need to be yet.

BioWare is in the business of bringing fantasy to life with these games, correct?  What happens to the fantasies of strictly monosexual people if they must settle for a bisexual fantasy?

You like chocolate.  I like peanut butter.  We must both settle for a Reese's instead of being able to choose chocolate, peanut butter, or a Reese's!

 Completely catering to everyone is neither a step forward nor is it a reasonable objective.

Modifié par Taleroth, 05 mars 2011 - 09:36 .

[wulfsturm]

Carfax wrote...

Yes, but there's a reason why that biphobia exists. As I mentioned earlier, dating someone that is potentially attracted to both sexes can be problematic, because what if that person decides to act on their desire?

The partner of the bisexual is now at a disadvantage because he/she is unable to satisfy the need or craving of their bisexual partner.

I know a gay woman that hates bisexuals with a burning passion......but thats only because she's been burned so many times.

Then that's a problem with the individual, and not the sexual orientation. Being Bi does not make you more prone to cheating on your partners. I would also like to know what you could possibly mean by "unable to satisfy the need or craving of their bisexual partner". Are you insinuating perhaps that bisexual people who are in a relationship feel the need to have sex with a differant gender every once and a while?

So many misconceptions, so little time.

Modifié par wulfsturm, 05 mars 2011 - 09:37 .

[Maelora]

[quote]Carfax wrote...
The partner of the bisexual is now at a disadvantage because he/she is unable to satisfy the need or craving of their bisexual partner.
[quote]

Uh???

Bisexual means 'either gender' not 'both genders at the same time'.


[quote]Carfax wrote...
I know a gay woman that hates bisexuals with a burning passion......but thats only because she's been burned so many times.[/quote]

This is true; unfortunate, but true.   Too many people fear that bisexuals are promiscuous, amoral adventurers. Some are, but some are not.

[Carfax]

Maelora wrote...
You're suggesting bisexual people should ONLY date other bisexuals?

No.....but if they want a partner that understands that aspect of their being, then yes thats probably the best solution.

[Grunk]

Tielis wrote...

It's stupid and it's cheap, unless there is some conversation choice that lets you set your preference somehow.

Seriously, I do not find bisexual people romantically attractive at all. No romances for me then. And that means no more BioWare games for me ever again, either.

Not to bang on what you said forever, but I don't understand what your real world preferences necessarily have to do with this. You're not dating anyone that's bi. I mean, maybe it's just the way I approach it, but for me, it's a matter of being curious about content as opposed to me feeling attracted to the character or something. And I'm not saying that game characters, etc, can't be attractive, just that I approach it from a place that is removed from my personal preferences.

I think it's a great idea to make all the characters romanceable by men or women, just because it means that instead of making it so there's (for example) 2 hetero options and 2 gay options or whatever various configurations, everyone just has 4. And I don't really find it necessary for characters to illustrate their sexual preferences, so if they just say "Yeah, I'm gay" when I flirt with them as the same sex, that's fine, and if I flirt with them as the opposite sex and they're like "Yeah, I'm straight" in a different playthrough, also fine.

I dunno. If everyone's bi, that just makes sense to me mechanically, and it's fair to people who want hetero romances and people who want to have homosexual romances. Although I kinda dislike the game being written to foreground everyone's bisexuality (this is an assumption gleaned from what I've read; if it's not that way, my bad), mainly because I just find it uneccessary. Just let them be romanceable by everyone, period.

Although frankly, I would like to see a game with nothing but homosexual romances. Especially after the idiocy of ME's romances.

[wulfsturm]

Carfax wrote...

Maelora wrote...
You're suggesting bisexual people should ONLY date other bisexuals?

No.....but if they want a partner that understands that aspect of their being, then yes thats probably the best solution.

Or you know, you could be more open and establish a clear and defined role for your relationship beforehand.

[Maelora]

Taleroth wrote...
Completely catering to everyone is neither a step forward nor is it a reasonable objective.

So what's your solution, Taleroth?  You seem like a reasonable guy. 

What's your solution that BW might actually implement? 

[Mike_Hawke]

Tielis wrote...

What happens to the fantasies of strictly monosexual people if they must settle for a bisexual fantasy?

Have your Hawke pick a gender he or she is attracted to. Only flirt with members of that gender.

All your monosexual dreams are now a reality.

[wulfsturm]

Grunk wrote...


Although frankly, I would like to see a game with nothing but homosexual romances. Especially after the idiocy of ME's romances.

ME had homosexual romances? Que?

Modifié par wulfsturm, 05 mars 2011 - 09:41 .

[Maelora]

Grunk wrote...
Although frankly, I would like to see a game with nothing but homosexual romances. Especially after the idiocy of ME's romances.

This. Ugh.

I think we'll only have equality when the 'hot girl on the box cover'  (Morrigan, Ashley, Miranda) is lesbian-only. 

Think of the whining and the fretting, and the hurried mods to allow het romance. 

Maybe walking a mile in our shoes might make them think a bit more too.  

[Tielis]

Grunk, I understand what you're saying, and I know that most people do play like that.

But I think I answered your question with the whole fantasy issue. We play these games, especially the romances, for the fantasy, correct? Just like a homosexual man cannot force himself to be attracted to a woman, I cannot force myself to be attracted to a bisexual man.

I was able to play through having my character romance Zevran, but in my mind he was not bisexual. If the new romances are ambiguous or able to be glossed over like that, well, that would be a good thing.

And I agree. There need to be strictly homosexual options.