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[Taleroth]

Maelora wrote...

Taleroth wrote...
Completely catering to everyone is neither a step forward nor is it a reasonable objective.

So what's your solution, Taleroth?  You seem like a reasonable guy. 

What's your solution that BW might actually implement? 

Any solution I offered would be one in need of a problem.  I feel as if the solution they are already implementing is a fair and reasonable one.

But I wouldn't mind a Bioware game that didn't have any romances at all.  But I know that would cause some not-insignificant problems with their fanbase.

Modifié par Taleroth, 05 mars 2011 - 09:45 .

[Maelora]

Mike_Hawke wrote...
Have your Hawke pick a gender he or she is attracted to. Only flirt with members of that gender.
All your monosexual dreams are now a reality.

Seriously, Tielis, this.

I'm pretty sure Fenris doesn't bring up his interest in men if you play as a female.

There's your het-only romance right here.

Or romance Sebastian, who won't sleep with anyone.

[Tielis]

Maelora wrote...

Grunk wrote...
Although frankly, I would like to see a game with nothing but homosexual romances. Especially after the idiocy of ME's romances.

This. Ugh.

I think we'll only have equality when the 'hot girl on the box cover'  (Morrigan, Ashley, Miranda) is lesbian-only. 

Think of the whining and the fretting, and the hurried mods to allow het romance. 

Maybe walking a mile in our shoes might make them think a bit more too.  

Reverse discrimination is not a nice path to take.

[rma2110]

I don't see a problem at all. 1) The player initiates the romance, 2) If the player does not initiate the romance the companion will not start to look elsewhere. If the interwebs did exist then you'd have no idea if a companion was bi unless you tried it out yourself.

There are only 4 options in total, 2 of each gender. That makes me glad that Bioware did not limit us further. The bi-option is not for me, but that does not mean I begrudge anyone who may want it.

Modifié par rma2110, 05 mars 2011 - 09:45 .

[Maelora]

Taleroth wrote...
Any solution I offered would be one in need of a problem.  I feel as if the solution they are already implementing is a fair and reasonable one.

I concur.

But the topic creator felt that this solution upsets them because their LI might be gay in someone else's game...

[Tielis]

Maelora wrote...

Mike_Hawke wrote...
Have your Hawke pick a gender he or she is attracted to. Only flirt with members of that gender.
All your monosexual dreams are now a reality.

Seriously, Tielis, this.

I'm pretty sure Fenris doesn't bring up his interest in men if you play as a female.

There's your het-only romance right here.

Or romance Sebastian, who won't sleep with anyone.

Yes, I think I alluded to this earlier.  If he never mentions that "oh, by the way, I like men too", hey, we're good to go!

Not a perfect solution, but one that I can deal with until people decide that every sexuality deserves something special.

[Maelora]

Tielis wrote...
Reverse discrimination is not a nice path to take.

No, it isn't.

But it might actually make a few people sit up and realise what we've had to deal with all these years.

[Maelora]

Tielis wrote...
Yes, I think I alluded to this earlier.  If he never mentions that "oh, by the way, I like men too", hey, we're good to go!
Not a perfect solution, but one that I can deal with until people decide that every sexuality deserves something special.

I agree.  That seems very reasonable.

But I think it will be a long, long time before we see a major game studio willing to do that.

[Carfax]

wulfsturm wrote...

Then that's a problem with the individual, and not the sexual orientation. Being Bi does not make you more prone to cheating on your partners.

Being bisexual, the potential amount of people that you're attracted to is much higher than if you were heterosexual or homosexual, which means the opportunity to cheat is higher as well.

Does this mean that bisexuals are more prone to cheating?  Not necessarily, because the decision to cheat or not is based on a person's character traits.  

But as I said, the opportunity is significantly higher.
 

I would also like to know what you could possibly mean by "unable to satisfy the need or craving of their bisexual partner". Are you insinuating perhaps that bisexual people who are in a relationship feel the need to have sex with a differant gender every once and a while?

Some do I'm sure.....otherwise there wouldn't be such a stigma attached to dating bisexual people.  Most stereotypes have an element of truth to them.

[Tielis]

Maelora wrote...

Tielis wrote...
Reverse discrimination is not a nice path to take.

No, it isn't.

But it might actually make a few people sit up and realise what we've had to deal with all these years.

You can do better than that.    You are better than that.

[lostspline]

Grunk wrote...

Not to bang on what you said forever, but I don't understand what your real world preferences necessarily have to do with this. You're not dating anyone that's bi. I mean, maybe it's just the way I approach it, but for me, it's a matter of being curious about content as opposed to me feeling attracted to the character or something. And I'm not saying that game characters, etc, can't be attractive, just that I approach it from a place that is removed from my personal preferences.

Exactly!  I romanced every single romance-able companion in DAO.  My personal preferences were not involved at all.  In real life, I would never romance any of these people.    

[Maelora]

Tielis wrote...
You can do better than that.    You are better than that.

Yeah, I know.  Sorry - I just get mad sometimes.

I hate discrimination, it devalues all of us.

But seriously, if there are het-only relationships, why not make the 'hot girl on the box cover' gay for a change? As long as the straight people get one too.

[wulfsturm]

Carfax wrote...

wulfsturm wrote...

Then that's a problem with the individual, and not the sexual orientation. Being Bi does not make you more prone to cheating on your partners.

Being bisexual, the potential amount of people that you're attracted to is much higher than if you were heterosexual or homosexual, which means the opportunity to cheat is higher as well.

Does this mean that bisexuals are more prone to cheating?  Not necessarily, because the decision to cheat or not is based on a person's character traits.  

But as I said, the opportunity is significantly higher.
 

I would also like to know what you could possibly mean by "unable to satisfy the need or craving of their bisexual partner". Are you insinuating perhaps that bisexual people who are in a relationship feel the need to have sex with a differant gender every once and a while?

Some do I'm sure.....otherwise there wouldn't be such a stigma attached to dating bisexual people.  Most stereotypes have an element of truth to them.

The opurtunity is significantly higher perhaps, but we're not talking about opurtunities. We're talking about whether being bisexual makes you more certain to cheat on your partner (hint: it doesn't.)

And no, not all stereotypes do, and the fact that you can't show any solid evidence to support your claim(s) relegates such accusions to the basest kind of vitriol. And heresay.

Modifié par wulfsturm, 05 mars 2011 - 09:53 .

[Mike_Hawke]

Carfax wrote...

wulfsturm wrote...

Then that's a problem with the individual, and not the sexual orientation. Being Bi does not make you more prone to cheating on your partners.

Being bisexual, the potential amount of people that you're attracted to is much higher than if you were heterosexual or homosexual, which means the opportunity to cheat is higher as well.

If someone is going to cheat on you, they'll cheat on you whether they have 3.5 billion people they might be attracted to or 7 billion people they might be attracted to.

Cheaters cheat.

[Tielis]

Maelora wrote...

Tielis wrote...
You can do better than that.    You are better than that.

Yeah, I know.  Sorry - I just get mad sometimes.

I hate discrimination, it devalues all of us.

But seriously, if there are het-only relationships, why not make the 'hot girl on the box cover' gay for a change? As long as the straight people get one too.

They will someday.  They'll make a wonderful version of her for all of us.

But not unless we let them know how important it is to us.  And that's what this thread is for.

[Maelora]

I think, in conclusion, it would be nice if we all had an option - if there were gay/bi/straight romances, one for each gender.

But even the gay-friendly staff like Mr Gaider have said that won't happen. So we have to work with what we've got, and as Taleroth said, this is the best solution.

As long as they keep it fairly neutral UNTIL you get into the romance. That way, Fenris can be purely straight in Tielis' game, and purely-gay in mine. Everyone wins!

[Maelora]

Tielis wrote...
They will someday.  They'll make a wonderful version of her for all of us.
But not unless we let them know how important it is to us.  And that's what this thread is for.

Absolutely!

I'm off for dinner now, but thank you for the civil debate, Tielis.

It's an emotive issue, so thanks for being reasonable and letting me see things from your side.

[Eclipse_9990]

Mike_Hawke wrote...

Carfax wrote...

wulfsturm wrote...

Then that's a problem with the individual, and not the sexual orientation. Being Bi does not make you more prone to cheating on your partners.

Being bisexual, the potential amount of people that you're attracted to is much higher than if you were heterosexual or homosexual, which means the opportunity to cheat is higher as well.

If someone is going to cheat on you, they'll cheat on you whether they have 3.5 billion people they might be attracted to or 7 billion people they might be attracted to.

Cheaters cheat.

This thread is an awesome read, and I'm only posting to say that this ^ (see bold) is one of the best reply's I've read all day. 

Modifié par Eclipse_9990, 05 mars 2011 - 09:59 .

[Carfax]

wulfsturm wrote...

And no, not all stereotypes do, and the fact that you can't show any solid evidence to support your claim(s) relegates such accusions to the basest kind of vitriol. And heresay.

There's no solid evidence, because no one has ever conducted a study on the rate at which bisexuals cheat and how it compares to ****** and heterosexuals.

However, there is anecdotal evidence.  Why does "biphobia" exist in both the heterosexual and homosexual community.

Actually, in the latter it's even more pronounced, bordering on extreme aversion.  Most lesbians will not date bisexual women, and neither will most gay men I'm betting.. 

I suppose you find it to be purely coincidental right? LOL

[wulfsturm]

Carfax wrote...

There's no solid evidence, because no one has ever conducted a study on the rate at which bisexuals cheat and how it compares to ****** and heterosexuals.

However, there is anecdotal evidence.  Why does "biphobia" exist in both the heterosexual and homosexual community.

Actually, in the latter it's even more pronounced, bordering on extreme aversion.  Most lesbians will not date bisexual women, and neither will most gay men I'm betting.. 

I suppose you find it to be purely coincidental right? LOL

Without evidence, it might as well be. LOL.

[Infinity83]

Help me out guys. I've been reading all the posts in this thread and am confused as to what is being debated. Are you talking about characters being bisexual or bi-sexually romanceable?

Is romanceable even a word? lol

[LiquidGrape]

Modifié par LiquidGrape, 05 mars 2011 - 10:09 .

[Snowbug]

Mike_Hawke wrote...

Carfax wrote...

wulfsturm wrote...

Then that's a problem with the individual, and not the sexual orientation. Being Bi does not make you more prone to cheating on your partners.

Being bisexual, the potential amount of people that you're attracted to is much higher than if you were heterosexual or homosexual, which means the opportunity to cheat is higher as well.

If someone is going to cheat on you, they'll cheat on you whether they have 3.5 billion people they might be attracted to or 7 billion people they might be attracted to.

Cheaters cheat.

Also if you have a fear that your significant other is going to cheat on you, the problem lies in the relationship between the two of you, not in your significant other's sexual preference.

[AlexXIV]

Infinity83 wrote...

Help me out guys. I've been reading all the posts in this thread and am confused as to what is being debated. Are you talking about characters being bisexual or bi-sexually romanceable?

Is romanceable even a word? lol

I can help you out.

Turn around, start running and never look back.

[Snowbug]

Carfax wrote...

Why does "biphobia" exist in both the heterosexual and homosexual community.

For the same reason homophobia exists. People fear what they do not understand.