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[Mike_Hawke]

If there are any bisexual women out there who worry that about their future-partners might think they're dirty or more likely to cheat, I'd like to reasure them that there are many out there who are not biphobic and judgmental.

And I'm one of them.

And I'm single.

[wulfsturm]

Mike_Hawke wrote...

If there are any bisexual women out there who worry that about their future-partners might think they're dirty or more likely to cheat, I'd like to reasure them that there are many out there who are not biphobic and judgmental.

And I'm one of them.

And I'm single.

And you're Mike Hawke.

[Passivehate]

 I'm curious as to why people assume that the LIs are bisexual as opposed to pansexual. I mean, seriously, is there no love for us genderqueers?  
Also, both of the following statements are so true. :happy:

If someone is going to cheat on you, they'll cheat on you whether they have 3.5 billion people they might be attracted to or 7 billion people they might be attracted to. 
Cheaters cheat.

Also if you have a fear that your significant other is going to cheat on you, the problem lies in the relationship between the two of you, not in your significant other's sexual preference.

[Grunk]

Tielis wrote...

Maelora wrote...

Grunk wrote...
Although frankly, I would like to see a game with nothing but homosexual romances. Especially after the idiocy of ME's romances.

This. Ugh.

I think we'll only have equality when the 'hot girl on the box cover'  (Morrigan, Ashley, Miranda) is lesbian-only. 

Think of the whining and the fretting, and the hurried mods to allow het romance. 

Maybe walking a mile in our shoes might make them think a bit more too.  

Reverse discrimination is not a nice path to take.

I don't see it as reverse discrimination. As a heterosexual male, I'm just tired of seeing so much made of heterosexual love. It's the norm, and I'm tired of bearing witness to it over and over. I just want to see something different and interesting finally. For example, one thing I LOVED about this old game Septerra Core was that it had a strong female lead that wasn't just tough because of some stupid tragedy involving a man or something; she was just a bad ass. She also wasn't purely created for sex appeal, like Lara Croft (although I think Bayonetta turned that on it's head nicely). That's interesting for me because it's very different from what the usual fare is.

I would also like to see high fantasy taking place in an extremely afro-centric setting, since nearly all the fantasy we get is euro-centric and incredibly white. But I have a bit more of a personal stake in that, as a black fan of fantasy.

I just feel like if straight folks can always be pandered to, wouldn't it be nice if there were at least a few games that were doing something specifically for an LGBTaudience?

Modifié par Grunk, 05 mars 2011 - 10:55 .

[Paragon-King]

First of, I wouldn't say that making all available LI's as bisexuals is necessarily all good thing. Not bad either, of course.

I say, I like diversity. I like having some things happening that can't be influenced by my whim. I'd like there to be a completely homosexual LI's, bisexual LI's or even -Maker forbid- heterosexual LI's.

Thus, making every LI's sexual preference as bi is not that of a good call, IF it indeed will be so. In my opinion. To me they're being rendered closer to a sock-puppets than an individuals. What I'm trying to say, without offending anyone, is that I'm concerned of characters losing depth to the players whim.

For the record, before some might start phobe-branding me; I'm a heterosexual male who wouldn't have any trouble dating bisexual girl. 90% of my DAO characters are female and most picked LI is Alistair.

:innocent:

[Grunk]

Zouns wrote...

First of, I wouldn't say that making all available LI's as bisexuals is necessarily all good thing. Not bad either, of course.

I say, I like diversity. I like having some things happening that can't be influenced by my whim. I'd like there to be a completely homosexual LI's, bisexual LI's or even -Maker forbid- heterosexual LI's.

Thus, making every LI's sexual preference as bi is not that of a good call, IF it indeed will be so. In my opinion. To me they're being rendered closer to a sock-puppets than an individuals. What I'm trying to say, without offending anyone, is that I'm concerned of characters losing depth to the players whim.

For the record, before some might start phobe-branding me; I'm a heterosexual male who wouldn't have any trouble dating bisexual girl. 90% of my DAO characters are female and most picked LI is Alistair.

:innocent:

I'd kinda agree if they were like "Yo, I'm Fenris, and I'm totally into men and women." Like, if it's put to me in an obnoxious way that's out of character, then I think it's poorly written in and introduced. If it just doesn't come up and the romance just proceeds normally, then I don't really care.

For example, if I decide to romance Anders with ManHawke, and they just have a romance without Anders going "Yeah, I like you. Usually it's girls, but I'm just digging on you!" then I'd roll my eyes. But if I romance Anders and he's all like "Oh, I really have feelings for you," without bringing in this conversation of his sexuality, I'm fine.

I don't find there to be much depth in Anders being hetero-only just for the sake of being hetero-only. But if every character is doggedly announcing their sexuality to me, I find that it lacks any kind of subtlety and possible character-depth as well. Hopefully, it'll be well-written.

[Maelora]

Grunk wrote...
I would also like to see high fantasy taking place in an extremely afro-centric setting, since nearly all the fantasy we get is euro-centric and incredibly white. But I have a bit more of a personal stake in that, as a black fan of fantasy.

Totally - there are some great legends and myths that could form the basis of an African or Arabic game.

Grunk, have you tried playing Paizo's 'Pathfinder'?  It's a fantasy world in a non-European setting, with plenty of black and arabic characters.  Feels very refreshing to play, actually. It doesn't parellel any real-world culture, but it feels exotic, very different to standard Tolkien fantasy.  Someone should make a computer game based on it.

Modifié par Maelora, 05 mars 2011 - 11:11 .

[Paragon-King]

Grunk wrote...

Zouns wrote...

Something stupid and ignorant, probably.

:innocent:

I'd kinda agree if they were like "Yo, I'm Fenris, and I'm totally into men and women." Like, if it's put to me in an obnoxious way that's out of character, then I think it's poorly written in and introduced. If it just doesn't come up and the romance just proceeds normally, then I don't really care.

Etc, yada.

Yes, well. If they're well-written it could add some forgiving qualities to the whole. I stress that this is not a big issue and would certainly not make the game unplayable for me. Guess I'm just worried all this escalating from sexual preferences to another things until they really ARE nothing but damned sockpuppets.

Dragon Age 3 features - Make your own companions! Choose their dialogue too! They're all YOU! Horray!

Modifié par Zouns, 05 mars 2011 - 11:14 .

[SansSariph]

The amount of misconceptions (about the real world) rampant in this thread is really alarming.
I also think an aversion to bisexuals is really silly. What if they didn't mention it until you were already in love? Suddenly that becomes a deal breaker? Ooookay. I'm going to refuse to date people that like to eat meat loaf, because I don't like meat loaf one bit and really that just makes us incompatible on a personal level.

I just hope the characters are well written, as has been expressed in this thread numerous times. If everyone's obvious about it like Isabela, I think that's poor writing. If there's more prevalent Hawke-sexuality where they're just open to romancing you if you approach them... I'm not sure if that's a good or bad thing. Choices are always good, I guess!

Modifié par SansSariph, 05 mars 2011 - 11:20 .

[Paragon-King]

SansSariph wrote...

The amount of misconceptions (about the real world) rampant in this thread is really alarming.
I also think an aversion to bisexuals is really silly. What if they didn't mention it until you were already in love? Suddenly that becomes a deal breaker? Ooookay.

I just hope the characters are well written, as has been expressed in this thread numerous times. If everyone's obvious about it like Isabela, I think that's poor writing. If there's more prevalent Hawke-sexuality where they're just open to romancing you if you approach them... I'm not sure if that's a good or bad thing. Choices are always good, I guess!

Well, it wouldn't matter to me. Thou, it would be wee bit odd if they all appear to swing both ways. Don't these guys have predetermined sexual preferences, you know, like ...people? I can see how some might turn from hetero to ****** or vice versa but this shouldn't be easy or even achievable in all cases. Like Rolling Stones once sang; You can't always get what you want.

Edit: Pardon, lame and insensitive joke.

Modifié par Zouns, 05 mars 2011 - 11:46 .

[Rubyfair]

Mike_Hawke wrote...

If there are any bisexual women out there who worry that about their future-partners might think they're dirty or more likely to cheat, I'd like to reasure them that there are many out there who are not biphobic and judgmental.

And I'm one of them.

And I'm single.

Oh? How are you doin' today? 

[Passivehate]

Zouns wrote...

SansSariph wrote...

The amount of misconceptions (about the real world) rampant in this thread is really alarming.
I also think an aversion to bisexuals is really silly. What if they didn't mention it until you were already in love? Suddenly that becomes a deal breaker? Ooookay.

I just hope the characters are well written, as has been expressed in this thread numerous times. If everyone's obvious about it like Isabela, I think that's poor writing. If there's more prevalent Hawke-sexuality where they're just open to romancing you if you approach them... I'm not sure if that's a good or bad thing. Choices are always good, I guess!

Well, it wouldn't matter to me. Thou, it would be wee bit odd if they all appear to swing both ways. Don't these guys have predetermined sexual preferences, you know, like ...people? I can see how some might turn from hetero to ****** or vice versa but this shouldn't be easy or even achievable in all cases. Like Rolling Stones once sang; You can't always beat the gay out of someone, even with 2by4.

Pardon, lame joke.

Given that it is set in a fantasy world, they could claim that bisexuality(or, god forbid, pansexuality) is the norm rather than the exception. Relationships that are heterosexual could be explained as more common only because of the genetic offspring involved. Thus explaining Morrigan and Alistair(albeit a few loopholes >.>). 

Also, your "lame joke" seemed, at least to me, to border on insensitivity. In my opinion, talking about "beat[ing] the gay out of someone" doesn't seem something to chuckle about. 

[Paragon-King]

Passivehate wrote...

Zouns wrote...

SansSariph wrote...

Something lame and insensitive.

Given that it is set in a fantasy world, they could claim that bisexuality(or, god forbid, pansexuality) is the norm rather than the exception. Relationships that are heterosexual could be explained as more common only because of the genetic offspring involved. Thus explaining Morrigan and Alistair(albeit a few loopholes >.>). 

Also, your "lame joke" seemed, at least to me, to border on insensitivity. In my opinion, talking about "beat[ing] the gay out of someone" doesn't seem something to chuckle about. 

Yes, sorry about that. I tend to chuckle to a lot of things, plus I love self-irony. And yes, I might be a wee bit insensitive but hold no intentional ill will against anyone. Ok, now I sounded like a hypocrite. I do but not against people with different sexual orientations, surely. ...But I'm naive and think it's all well if people would loosen up and laugh at times, even to themselves... :innocent:

Anyway, my thoughts on the subject matter. Back to clean my apartment. >>

[Lady Niltiak]

 Provided those screen caps of Merril are real, then they are all bi. (A bet I am happy to lose, btw!)Well maybe not Sebastian, whom I hear is also an LI.... but he costs money if you don't have the SE. Me? I'll romance them all, some straight, some not so much.

Does that make me bi in real life? No. I'm simply role playing in a game. It's not real life, so why not flirt and have a relationship with the same gender? I'm not physically attracted to females, but that doesn't mean I'm not going to have fun in a game.

Honestly, so long as BW didn't cheapen the characters in the process, then I'll be happy.

[Dark Necronus2]

Crimmsonwind wrote...

This doesn't have to turn into a cluster****. Everyone chill out. The OP asked a simple question, it doesn't deserve all this flack.

Amen. Oh wait, that might spark a religious debate!

[pizoxuat]

Zevran does mention that he is bisexual to a Female Warden who is romancing him. I remember it distinctly because he asks you if it bothers you that he has been with men and there was no "HOT DAMN THAT'S SEXY" reply.

[Tyrium]

Bloody hell. I hate the fact that anyone who disagrees with this leads to people saying its a choice for everyone. IT IS NOT.

If they did it so that it was possible to pursue a straight romance with say, Anders, without the whole Karl and other men thing for a female, then the point is valid, and no-one is being screwed over. Everyone gets a choice.

If the whole Karl thing happens with a female, then it is impossible for Anders to be straight in my playthough and I will be pissd as hell, as this removes MY choice to have a straight romance.

Just saying straights resent the LGB community getting a choice is stupid. I just want a choice to have a straight romance too.

[mesmerizedish]

Tyrium wrote...

Bloody hell. I hate the fact that anyone who disagrees with this leads to people saying its a choice for everyone. IT IS NOT.

If they did it so that it was possible to pursue a straight romance with say, Anders, without the whole Karl and other men thing for a female, then the point is valid, and no-one is being screwed over. Everyone gets a choice.

If the whole Karl thing happens with a female, then it is impossible for Anders to be straight in my playthough and I will be pissd as hell, as this removes MY choice to have a straight romance.

Just saying straights resent the LGB community getting a choice is stupid. I just want a choice to have a straight romance too.

If you refuse to romance Anders because he's bi, then go with Fenris. Likewise, if a gay player wants to be just as stupid as you, he's also locked into Fenris being the only option. Reasonable people get to choose between two LIs of whichever gender they prefer.

[foam]

While I do think that there is such a thing as preference, I also believe that sexuality is much more fluid than people think, and that certain people and circumstances can cause you be attracted to someone despite yourself. I choose to think that this is the case for some of the companions. Your relationships will have the chance to grow and change over several years, after all.


Edit: Spelling >__<

Modifié par foam, 06 mars 2011 - 01:09 .

[Demx]

Great, this just means I have to be careful with everyone now.

[clopin]

Siradix wrote...

Great, this just means I have to be careful with everyone now.

Or you could just, y'know, pick the dialogue options that don't have the "Flirt" symbol/picture/whateverthehellIcallthatthing in front of it. 

My only hope is that the characters are well written enough before hand that they don't tell me "I like boys/girls/everyone." If I want to have a gay romance, I want a gay romance, and if I want a bi-romance, I want a bi-romance, and if I want a straight romance, I want a straight romance. If I'm going for a hetero relationship with Merrill, and she drops me for Isabella, I will shoot a kitten. Same if Fenris drops me for a girl.

[Curlain]

Sierra Crysis wrote...

Wouldn't it be funny if Isabela turns out to be male exclusive outside of a fling and Merril the S/S one? One of the guys would then have to be a huge tease, and that would make the most epic trolling against the S/S/Fan threads.

This could actually be interesting, you could start a romance but in the end they could tell you that they just aren't interested in anything more then a phyiscal relationship (such as you say, Isabela while sexually interested in both males and females is only able to fall in  love with males, and Merrill while again being sexual interested in both is only able to fall for females, or vs versa).  Might actually make the romantic interactions more interesting, with the potential of heartbreak down the line.

I doubt they woud actually do this, but it could be interesting none the less

[Aurgelmir]

So is there a purely straight LI?

[scootermcgaffin]

Aurgelmir wrote...

So is there a purely straight LI?

Most likely scenario is that, unlike Leliana, Zevran, Isabela, and Anders, Merrill and Fenris' orientation won't be mentioned so they're straight if you're playing an opposite sex Hawke and lesbian/gay if you're playing a same sex Hawke.

[mesmerizedish]

scootermcgaffin wrote...

Aurgelmir wrote...

So is there a purely straight LI?

Most likely scenario is that, unlike Leliana, Zevran, Isabela, and Anders, Merrill and Fenris' orientation won't be mentioned so they're straight if you're playing an opposite sex Hawke and lesbian/gay if you're playing a same sex Hawke.

Yes. This is the impression I've gotten from what we know about the characters and comments Mr. Gaider's made about how he'd like to handle it.