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[R34P3RR3D33M3R]

Moondoggie wrote...

The release control coincides with the country release dates. If it's global then people outside the states can get the game to work early while in the States they would have to wait till the 8th still. I hope that clears up what i was getting at for you.

Then we have a misunderstanding here. I'm saying have the Relase Control date globally. If you're speaking of the time zone difference then that's fine, that can be accomodated. If the game is supposed to release at 0:00 AM on the 8th in (whichever timezone, let's take "PST" for example?) in America, it can release at 8:00 AM on the 8th in the UK, at 9:00 AM in Germany etc.. That's the same time, then it's perfectly fair, no?

[Ravenfeeder]

vometia wrote...

Moondoggie wrote...

I wish people would stop moaning about every little detail it gets boring. from the dawn of time games got released in America before Europe.

Well it is irritating; it's also rather pointless which seems to make it all the more irritating.

It's not irritating it's AWESOME.  I get to hear whether a game is any good from thousands of players whilst I'm still able to cancel or make pre-orders. 

[Phoenixblight]

R34P3RR3D33M3R wrote...

Moondoggie wrote...

The release control coincides with the country release dates. If it's global then people outside the states can get the game to work early while in the States they would have to wait till the 8th still. I hope that clears up what i was getting at for you.

Then we have a misunderstanding here. I'm saying have the Relase Control date globally. If you're speaking of the time zone difference then that's fine, that can be accomodated. If the game is supposed to release at 0:00 AM on the 8th in (whichever timezone, let's take "PST" for example?) in America, it can release at 8:00 AM on the 8th in the UK, at 9:00 AM in Germany etc.. That's the same time, then it's perfectly fair, no?

There is obviously reason why EUrope gets it on Friday and America gets it on Tuesday and very few companies do a simulataneous release. Only reason why companies do or don't do anything is money so most likely publishers have to pay more to have a release date that works again the normal Tuesday/Friday release. 

[R34P3RR3D33M3R]

coolide wrote...

How do you know that there are not reprocussions for them releasing the game in Europe the same time as North America? They do it for a reason. You don't know why they do what they do. So don't assume.

I have explicitly asked for people who know the reasons to feel free to state them here. Until someone who knows a *good* reason for this speaks up, all I can do is assume that there aren't many good reasons.

I'd be happy if someone could explain why this Release Control difference of 3 days is fair and/or necessary to me, and any other Europeans who are dismayed by this Release Control system.

[jheise4321]

It is a few days. Patience is a Virtue. What wouldn't be fair would be if America started refusing customers from Europe and made them make their own music, games, movies etc. That is way more unfair.

[Obode]

There is no real reason for it Phoenix, Its a old standard that has simply stuck. (meaning Pre-Digital download)
Why Ea refuses to modernize I have no Idea.
I can tell you this much Ea Is not making more of a profit by doing this, if anythin a small amount of people who would've bought the game, now wont. (yeah there is actually groups against this ancient standard)

If Ea wanted they could easily have theyr copies of the game distributed to retailers across the world by the 8th, It is 2011 afterall.

I just hope that a major developer/publisher will come to theyr sense soon and break away from this pointless standard, and by doing so perhaps removing it all together.

That being said, a control timeframe is a fine, aslong as Its unlocked at the same time no mather your nation. While the release dates might be diffrent there is no reason to keep people locked longer then others, and the "spoilers" and gameplay vids will allready come out.

The only thing they achive by doing this is disastified customeers.

Modifié par Obode, 05 mars 2011 - 05:08 .

[DW2511]

Jarcander wrote...

DW2511 wrote...

So, no one made a Harbinger reference yet? You people disappoint me.

I love it how DA and ME forums have these expectation. I honestly don't recall which reference you are looki... oh wait: 

RELEASING CONTROL

They are nice.

Is it 'great minds think alike' or is it 'weak minds think predictably similar'?
I can never decide.
Damn, another reference.

[Moondoggie]

vometia wrote...

Maybe it'd be better to remove the cause of said moaning rather than trying to suppress the symptoms: it wouldn't kill them to have a single, standardised release date.  There are enough irritations in life as it is without recreation and escapism adding a few of their own.

It works in theory sure but i guess people are happier with the status quo in the industry than trying to organise it all. Different countries have different rules so you'd need to get everywhere to agree on a single release day that everyone is happy with which is easier said than done. Some countries prefer game releases on weekends for example to stop lots of people skipping work and school. The most amusing case of this is in Japan where they made it solid law that Dragon Quest games only ever get released  on a weekend because it's so popular half the country would not be at work

[slimgrin]

Good lord op, you can't wait another 3 days?

[Phoenixblight]

Obode wrote...


Why Ea refuses to modernize I have no Idea.

Its not just EA, not sure why people point the finger at EA its all publishers they all follow Tuesday and Friday rule. I can't think of a game that has same day release except WoW. So its the industry itself and its not the just the fgame industry but music and movie too. 

[Drakkon21]

Funny how so many people claim that it is no problem guess they live in America and don`t have to wait the few days longer. guess when it is the other way around the will scream bloody murder...

[R34P3RR3D33M3R]

slimgrin wrote...

Good lord op, you can't wait another 3 days?

Good lord random person, thanks for your invaluable input on the matter.

Imagine holding the game in your hands and being forced to wait 3 days longer than other people who bought their game the same way you did, for no apparent reason. I don't think you'd be all too happy about it either.

[Mr. Gerbz]

Why are so many people posting in this topic while not comprehending the simple message the OP is trying to explain?

We just want fair treatment. Releasing it 3 days later in Europe (or anywhere, for that matter) is unfair. We usually even pay more than Americans because of the Dollar-Euro rate, and this only encourages piracy because people want the game immediately.
Even a lot of people who honestly intend to buy the game will pirate it because of this, and if they for example find out they don't like the game in that time, they won't buy it anymore.

So not only is it unfair, it's also bad for business.

[R34P3RR3D33M3R]

jheise4321 wrote...

It is a few days. Patience is a Virtue. What wouldn't be fair would be if America started refusing customers from Europe and made them make their own music, games, movies etc. That is way more unfair.

It even happened that a game that was produced in Europe was released in America before it was released in Europe. It's plenty unfair as it is already. Yes, waiting 3 days longer won't kill me, but it sure as hell won't make me happy either. If you imagine the situation being the other way around, do you really think you'd be perfectly fine with it, without ever attempting to ask for a change?

[Moondoggie]

Drakkon21 wrote...

Funny how so many people claim that it is no problem guess they live in America and don`t have to wait the few days longer. guess when it is the other way around the will scream bloody murder...

They did with Spore. People in general throw a fit when they can't have things their way.

[MassStorm]

The OP is right i'm absolutely sure that if the yankees have to wait 3 days THEY would have started whining..

Modifié par MassStorm, 05 mars 2011 - 05:10 .

[slimgrin]

Drakkon21 wrote...

Funny how so many people claim that it is no problem guess they live in America and don`t have to wait the few days longer. guess when it is the other way around the will scream bloody murder...

I'd see it as unfair if Europeans got less or different content, worse DRM, something like that. I honeslty don't think Bioware is being lazy here, and even if they were, I could hold out another three days. It's not that big of a deal.

[Obode]

Phoenixblight wrote...

Obode wrote...


Why Ea refuses to modernize I have no Idea.

Its not just EA, not sure why people point the finger at EA its all publishers they all follow Tuesday and Friday rule. I can't think of a game that has same day release except WoW. So its the industry itself and its not the just the fgame industry but music and movie too. 

Im well aware that its not just EA, Ea is however the big boy in the playpen, as such the trendsetter. So yes they are responsible.

[Phoenixblight]

Obode wrote...

Phoenixblight wrote...

Obode wrote...


Why Ea refuses to modernize I have no Idea.

Its not just EA, not sure why people point the finger at EA its all publishers they all follow Tuesday and Friday rule. I can't think of a game that has same day release except WoW. So its the industry itself and its not the just the fgame industry but music and movie too. 

Im well aware that its not just EA, Ea is however the big boy in the playpen, as such the trendsetter. So yes they are responsible.

Well EA and Activision continue to follow the Tuesday and Friday rule and they continue to profit so they won't change it one way or another as long as profits are made. 

[Aldarekal]

well i live in europe as well, game releases in my country is also on friday, but the company i order games from usually send them so they arrive on release, most of the times i get them thursday, so that's 1 day before "other" europeans, i don't mind waiting for the "official day" but honestly i can see both sides on the matter...

[Moondoggie]

Phoenixblight wrote...

Well EA and Activision continue to follow the Tuesday and Friday rule and they continue to profit so they won't change it one way or another as long as profits are made. 

It has nothing to do with profits. No matter what day or the week games were released on they would sell the same ammount. It's more to do with different countries media regulations and having to deal with a ton of red tape and negotiating to change anything it's just easier to stick to the rules in place as upsetting as it may be for some consumers.

Modifié par Moondoggie, 05 mars 2011 - 05:14 .

[R34P3RR3D33M3R]

slimgrin wrote...

Drakkon21 wrote...

Funny how so many people claim that it is no problem guess they live in America and don`t have to wait the few days longer. guess when it is the other way around the will scream bloody murder...

I'd see it as unfair if Europeans got less or different content, worse DRM, something like that. I honeslty don't think Bioware is being lazy here, and even if they were, I could hold out another three days. It's not that big of a deal.

Nobody is calling anyone lazy here. It's not a shipment or infrastructure problem. The boxes are already here. The only thing this thread is asking for, is for this online Release Control system by Sony's SecuROM to be a global date, not two different ones for America and Europe. Europeans can legally get their hands on Dragon Age 2 by the 8th without problems. We just won't be able to actually play before the 11th because of this silly system, while Americans will be allowed to play starting on the 8th.

Holding a game in your hands and being artificially kept from playing based on where you live doesn't feel good at all.

[Montana]

@OP
If they did that, store sales would plummet.

"No one" in euroupe would by physical copies of the game.

[Phoenixblight]

Moondoggie wrote...

Phoenixblight wrote...

Well EA and Activision continue to follow the Tuesday and Friday rule and they continue to profit so they won't change it one way or another as long as profits are made. 

It has nothing to do with profits. No matter what day or the week games were released on they would sell the same ammount. It's more to do with different countries media regulations and having to deal with a ton of red tape and negotiating to change anything it's just easier to stick to the rules in place as upsetting as it may be for some consumers.

Blizzard and Nintendo both have done same day release date globally so there are no red tape or regulations involved. Otherwise games made by Blizzard and Nintendo you would see a crap load of exceptions. 

[Moondoggie]

R34P3RR3D33M3R wrote...


Nobody is calling anyone lazy here. It's not a shipment or infrastructure problem. The boxes are already here. The only thing this thread is asking for, is for this online Release Control system by Sony's SecuROM to be a global date,

Dragon Age II does not use SecuROM at all. Consumer opinions on the software were very poor and EA felt it better to not include it on releases instead using their own online systems for copy validation.