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[Apolyon6k]

As I understand the frustration when you can't play the game you hold in your hands for whatever reason, we are talking about a single player game here. So if you don't want it spoiled stay away from reviews or forums. I won't get the game for myself before I have played it enough to convince me to buy it. So I have to wait for friends to buy it or rent a copy in a video store which I can only do after the official release date because of legal reasons.

Three days are not that bad compared to weeks or month in other cases, be patient and play other games in the meantime...

[R34P3RR3D33M3R]

I received the game today, am holding it in my hands... rather, I have it in the disc drive at the moment. Upon installation, the Release Control thingy came up, and for some reason it says the official release is on the 8th. I just hope it isn't lying to me.

Wish me luck!

[hexaligned]

I'm not the most computer savvy dude around, but it seems like you could just connect via a NA proxy to the US login servers to get it authenticated on the 8th, no?

[R34P3RR3D33M3R]

relhart wrote...

I'm not the most computer savvy dude around, but it seems like you could just connect via a NA proxy to the US login servers to get it authenticated on the 8th, no?

That's what I was going to try, but I wasn't confident that it would work. Proxies don't get me around region restrictions on YouTube videos, for example. Or maybe I just messed it up back when I tried.

Anyway, with and without proxy, both times he told me the official release is on the 8th. Maybe the program is lying, or maybe someone changed their mind and said they'd put a global date for the online Release Control. I strongly hope it's the latter.

If it works, I can finally stop feeling treated like a second class customer.

[Epic Legion]

R34P3RR3D33M3R wrote...

relhart wrote...

I'm not the most computer savvy dude around, but it seems like you could just connect via a NA proxy to the US login servers to get it authenticated on the 8th, no?

That's what I was going to try, but I wasn't confident that it would work. Proxies don't get me around region restrictions on YouTube videos, for example. Or maybe I just messed it up back when I tried.

Anyway, with and without proxy, both times he told me the official release is on the 8th. Maybe the program is lying, or maybe someone changed their mind and said they'd put a global date for the online Release Control. I strongly hope it's the latter.

If it works, I can finally stop feeling treated like a second class customer.

You tried simple proxy or VPN tunnel?

[R34P3RR3D33M3R]

Epic Legion wrote...

You tried simple proxy or VPN tunnel?

Sorry, I have no idea. I used Proxifier - simple proxy I assume. Don't know what VPN tunnels are, yet.

[Malastare-]

 To try and sum up what I've read from a dozen other complaints over the past few years:

Why does Europe have to wait three more days to get the game?
Because its the standard in the industry to release games (and CDs and DVDs) on Tuesday in the US and Friday in pretty much everywhere else.

Why are they different?
Who knows.  They had to pick one day and American's don't really have a history of accepting "Because that's the way everyone else is doing it" as a convincing argument.  The US picked Tuesday.  Europe picked Friday.

Why does it even matter?
It matters for the same reason why it matters that new movies (in the US) get released on Friday (or occasionally Wednesday).  Having everything release on a shared schedule means that theaters don't have to shuffle their movies/theaters nearly as often.  The same applies for retail stores selling games.  They only have to rearrange their stock for new arrivals once a week.  Chains only have to organize huge shipments once a week.  Promotional materials can be scheduled on a regular, weekly basis.  All of these things help save money.  The important thing here is that the pattern is set by retailers not producers.

Why can't we just let people play it as soon as they get it?
Because all of those retailers follow the standard as an act of good faith to other retailers.  If all of them follow the standard, then they can all benefit from the more efficient scheduling.  In some cases, this is even a demand from the purchase contract with the producer, as a way of reassuring retailers that the store down the street isn't going ot release a day early to try and steal some sales.  When a store tries to do this, it (potentially) hurts all the others, since there is no shortage of impatient people in the world.  An even worse thing happens when digitally distributed games are available before retail games.  It is no different from having some jerk-store release early, except that its happening from a source that retail outlets are already struggling against (and losing).

Why do we let retailers control release schedules?
Up until about now, the majority of game sales came from ordinary retailers.  Now that more games are sold digitally than through ordinary retail outlets, we've got a good chance to globalize release dates.  However, that actually makes the "I have it and can't play it problem" even worse, as this would happen every time you pre-load a game or get a digitally-activated disk.  The only situation it improves is that soul-burning pain of knowing that somewhere out there someone is having fun and you have to wait.

...which brings up the most important question (in my mind):

Why do you care if someone else is playing the game?
You were fine with the March 11 release date when you ordered.  Why does it matter if someone else is playing the game?  Why do you measure your happiness relative to some some nameless, faceless stranger?

[R34P3RR3D33M3R]

Malastare- wrote...

Why do you care if someone else is playing the game?
You were fine with the March 11 release date when you ordered.  Why does it matter if someone else is playing the game?  Why do you measure your happiness relative to some some nameless, faceless stranger?

From what I remember, the final release date wasn't set in stone yet when I pre-ordered. There also was no mention that I'd be artificially made to wait longer than necessary by some online lockout.

If you don't want to be treated fairly, that's your business - I think it's pretty natural that I would prefer to be able to play the game just as early as their other legal customers, no matter where I live.

Anyways, if this online Release Control thing that I get after installation isn't lying, I'll be able to play it on the 8th anyways, which means that either I misunderstood something, something went wrong, or someone changed their mind. Either way, if everyone gets to play on the 8th, everything's just fine and peachy. Great stuff. No more complaints or concerns from my side, unless of course the date is a lie. But we'll see about that soon enough, and I'll make sure to make a post here when I know more.

[Sharkadi]

For the 1st time I checked the release control it said the 8th,but now it says the 11th (I live in the EU aswell). Guess how happy I am now -.-'

[WidowMaker9394]

You could try masking your IP with an American one.

Unless the game is specifaclly registred as European, that is.

Modifié par WidowMaker9394, 07 mars 2011 - 07:14 .

[LukaCrosszeria]

For what it's worth, I agree. I have the game downloaded on my computer, and people who live in North America get to play it tomorrow while Europeans have to wait till the 11th. If that isn't an example of cultural imperialism I don't know what is. It sucks. First time I run that release checker it says March 8th, I was like,yay, then it switched to the 10th at midnight. Talk about giving people false hope.

Edit: I also forgot to add this. We pay the same amount of money. It's never sat well with me, this release date difference, and now it pisses me off even more, I have a game downloaded and I can't play it.

Modifié par LukaCrosszeria, 07 mars 2011 - 07:19 .

[Syrellaris]

hmm would installing a proxy work on it?

[CrimsonKumiho]

I imagine that's about as frustrating as a PS3 taking 3 days to install updates so you can play the game.

[Syrellaris]

well I seem to have found something in the underground that unlocks it for you and bypasses the online unlock going to test it out

[randName]

I feel the pain; since I was able to pre-load it - having it sit around on my PC while I wait for STEAM to release it has been a pain, and this only increases from today until the 10th (I know, I could go and read a book, paint, or do something else, but I'm too OCD and I keep spreading my ire over these forums instead)

[Orange_Section]

R34P3RR3D33M3R wrote...

Hi there.
I've just recently heard about this Release Control system that will apparently be used for Dragon Age 2. Since I assume that most of you are living in America, many of you probably won't care much about this.

The following is a quote taken from Chris Priestly's Post in the "Dragon Age 2 Final DRM and FAQ" thread;

Dragon Age 2 Release Control (non-Steam versions)
Does not use securom.
It does not install anything to the PC.
Sole purpose is to check with a server to validate whether the game release date has passed or not.
It completely removes itself after the game release date has passed.
You will not be able to play until that date has passed.
Dates & times are set to the retail street date per country.

[/list]The reason I have a problem with this, is that I live in Europe. As you may know, the "official" release date for Europe is on the 11th, not the 8th as it is in America.
My legally purchased copy of Dragon Age 2 will likely arrive on the 8th, yet this Release Control system would keep me from playing the game I'll be holding in my hands, for the simple reason that I don't live in America.

I don't mind the Release Control in itself; I would be fine if there was a Release Control until the 8th, but it should be the same date globally. I paid more money's worth than Americans have to pay for their games, because unfortunately for me, games are generally a bit more expensive around here - yet I wouldn't be able to play it on the same day, and that just doesn't feel right. It's no fun to purchase a game through legal means, and then feel treated like a second-class customer. I can't see what purpose this difference in Release Control dates is supposed to serve.


So, what I am asking is this; Please reconsider the Release Control timeframe. Make it the 8th globally, don't lock Europeans who legally purchased Dragon Age 2 out of the game for 3 days just because they don't live in America. I've been a BioWare fan for years now, and I will continue to be a fan no matter how this goes, but this whole "wait 3 days more just because you're European" thing really bothers me, it feels very unfair.

Indeed..........

[LukaCrosszeria]

If they would just explain the reason behind the difference in release dates, then maybe it would be easier to understand, but now it just creates grief. I paid as much as any good upstanding American citizen for this game, so I want it on the same date. That's only fair.

[PWMK2]

LukaCrosszeria wrote...

For what it's worth, I agree. I have the game downloaded on my computer, and people who live in North America get to play it tomorrow while Europeans have to wait till the 11th. If that isn't an example of cultural imperialism I don't know what is.

Seriously? Over a video game release date?

Look, guys. It does suck having to wait 3 days to play the game. It does, and everyone should be able to play the game at the same time. But let's not devolve into incessant mud-slinging over something as silly as EA Europe aligning the game release date to however they logistically like to release games.

I know to many Europeans, it might look bad because we usually get games before you do (we being Americans and Canadians). However, you also have to understand that this doesn't mean we think we're greater than you or anything, and it's slightly offensive to me that people might think that we think that way. Frankly the decision was probably made to release the game on the 11th by Europeans, not Americans.

Also, players in Singapore have been able to unlock the game for quite a few hours now before Americans or Canadians. Does this mean that EA favors people living there? No.

So, in other words, be civil to people regardless of which country they are from. OK?

Modifié par PWMK2, 07 mars 2011 - 07:48 .

[Pariah00]

LukaCrosszeria wrote...

For what it's worth, I agree. I have the game downloaded on my computer, and people who live in North America get to play it tomorrow while Europeans have to wait till the 11th. If that isn't an example of cultural imperialism I don't know what is. It sucks. First time I run that release checker it says March 8th, I was like,yay, then it switched to the 10th at midnight. Talk about giving people false hope.

Edit: I also forgot to add this. We pay the same amount of money. It's never sat well with me, this release date difference, and now it pisses me off even more, I have a game downloaded and I can't play it.

Cultural imperialism, really? Yes, America hates you and that's why you can't play the game.  That's also why people in Asia are playing the game right now but Americans aren't.  If this was Americans (and Candaians, lest we forget) trying to impose themselves on you by making sure that they get the game before everyone else cause their "special" then people in Asia would not have the game before North Americans.  Clearly this is because of issues with retailors and regulations that need to be conformed to, not "cultural imperialism".  If you have a problem, I suggest you petition the retailors in your country to change thier day of release instead of placing wrong-headed blame and whining.

[Sharkadi]

the only thing that really bugs me that I feel like a jackass... I bought this game,cos DAO rocked,and i thought it would be more comfortable to buy it,so to get it legally. And now what happens? Who try to play this game 'illegally' tomorrow will be able to do so,or even already managed it. So in this case, EA really f*cked it's customers,and not those who cause financial loss to them.

[Phoenixblight]

 

Fernando Melo wrote...

Syrellaris wrote...
Is there a possibility you could do away with these "unlocking" times for future releases?  It makes no sense that in a digital age, where I pre-order and pre-download the digital version of the game, to still wait till friday before i can play a game that everyone else is already playing on tuesday. 

I completely agree - and doesn't mean we won't try - but it is unlikely (anytime soon).  These are still dictated by brick & mortar retail, and we're obligated to follow 'local' release dates as we can't be seen to either give ourselves or any other individual retailer (e.g. a digital retailer) a distinct competitive advantage over another retailer (e.g. a local brick & mortar shop).  It is physical goods rules trying to be applied to a digital age, and that's why it falls apart, but there you go.

[Grouch666]

im guessing this is due to the online purchasers and pre loaders dont want to hear about people on the forums getting the game 3 days early and they pre loaded online and have to wait 3 more days just my guess.

btw i pre ordered a boxed copy so i dont mind. though if it does come a day early im gonna cry lol

[LukaCrosszeria]

I don't recall being uncivilized. It might be a silly thing to you, but with all due respect, you're not at the receiving end of this policy here. Let's say they make this fabulous game in Belgium, but they decide that only Europeans get to play it on the 8th and people in North America have to wait until the 11th. I think if you get a taste of that for a few years on end, you'll start to be less magnanimous.

[Dlokir]

Moondoggie wrote...

I wish people would stop moaning about every little detail it gets boring. from the dawn of time games got released in America before Europe...

Totally wrong, worldwide release date was quite common on PC, for consoles it's never been USA but always Japan so the argument is quite poor.

I do agree I feel insulted by EA and considered as a second class player. But I'm not surprised from EA and it just show how Bioware don't have the control on much things since a long time.

I also do agree it's a detail and not worth time of complain about this. The best for those that feel insulted, don't forget it next time it's about buying a game.

Modifié par Dlokir, 07 mars 2011 - 08:16 .

[Lordless]

Sharkadi wrote...

the only thing that really bugs me that I feel like a jackass... I bought this game,cos DAO rocked,and i thought it would be more comfortable to buy it,so to get it legally. And now what happens? Who try to play this game 'illegally' tomorrow will be able to do so,or even already managed it. So in this case, EA really f*cked it's customers,and not those who cause financial loss to them.

While I in no way advocate piracy, if it's such a huge concern for you and since you already purchased the game whats stopping you from using the methods the pirates are using to play early .

Modifié par Lordless, 07 mars 2011 - 08:20 .