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Leliana/Alistair/Zevran relationship confusion!


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 I'm on my first play through of DAO and I'm a little confused with something that happened in camp...can anyone tell me if this is a common problem, and if it's going to be an issue later on in the game?!

Sorry this is so long. I will try to explain it as best I can!

I'm a human noble, female, and have only romanced Alistair. He's up to the Love mark, and I've just completed the Landsmeet and persuaded him to marry me (hurrah!).

When I got back to camp after the Landsmeet, I talked to Leliana, who was almost at the top of the approval bar. I had not initiated any kind of romance with her. The first thing she said was something about how happy I look when I'm around Alistair etc, and asked for sexy details. Which I gave. I assumed this was a sign that we are friends.

I spoke to her again immediately, and she was suddenly looking all sad, and said she's heard about me and Alistair getting married, and she doesn't know what to say. I said, "This is for Ferelden. Alistair will be a good king", thinking maybe she's not sure about my choice for the throne. She's still sulky.

Next time I speak to her, I have the option to ask her how she's feeling about Marjolaine (having completed her companion quest in Denerim before going to the Landsmeet). I pick the nicest, most comforting conversation options, as usual, and she seems pretty chatty. Then she starts saying how I remind her of Marjolaine, and then she suddenly declares her love for me, and says we'll talk about it later!

I'm confused by this point. So I go to speak to Alistair, who looks pissed off, and asks if there's something going on with me and Leliana. Jealousy seems logical, I think, as we're getting married. So I reassure him. He says something along the lines of, "oh good. Do you think you could ever feel anything for me?"

Now I'm really confused because by this point I'm fairly sure I've made my intentions clear. Either that, or I'm a MASSIVE ****. I reassure him again, and he then says I have to choose between them! Which seems crazy, because there's nothing going on with Leliana. But to placate him I say I choose him. This for some reason initiates the "first kiss" sequence where he asks if it was "too soon", which again makes no sense, because we are waaaay beyond the first kiss stage.

I go back to Leliana, and she says, "you've chosen, haven't you?", gets MAD, and I lose 15 approval points! Unfair, I think, as there wasn't actually any choice to be made!

I go to talk to Zevran, who again, I have had NO relationship with at all, except that previously I'd said he could stare at me lewdly if he liked, because I thought that was funny. First thing he says is something about how he's heard I'm marrying Alistair, and that he assumes that means we have to stop seeing each other! So by now I'm starting to think that I've suddenly become IRRESISTIBLE to my party and the world has gone mad. I have to apologise to Zevran (for what?!) and I lose 10 approval points!

Argh! What's going on? Alistair's bar is still at Love, the others are a little below (because they're mad at me), and Alistair is still behaving as normal. I still have the options to kiss him or "go to sleep" in the personal conversations menu. 

Any ideas? The Leliana/Zevran thing could be down to me just being a little too friendly...but why did Alistair suddenly forget our whole relationship? And will it cause problems with getting him to actually do the deed and make me Queen? :(

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sylvanaerie

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First of all, Leliana's convos are terribly bugged in vanilla. You, my dear, have just been Ninjamanced by the master. If you play PC I highly recommend some kind of dialogue tweaking mod to fix it. I think Ejoslin has one? Remember keep all your comments to the least flirty you can, but pleasant. I have no trouble keeping her in the friend zone except for that one broken convo if you are going to be queen. you may see it as 'nice' but she will take it as ZOMG she WANTS ME!!
For Alistair, IRS-A will fix his dialogue snafus and add a lot to the romance.
For Zevran, you triggered the romance with the "Stare" convo. Zev is kind of a lech. It takes nothing to encourage him. It only comes up after you hit warm with him and have the conversation about just being friends. it is there to retrigger it if you choose later. So unless you want to be Zevrinated I'd suggest not starting that one. Ejoslin's fix ZDF fixes a lot of screwed up dialogue with zevran and I recommend that you get that if you are on the PC.
Of course if you play Xbox or PS3, that run through is borked as far as romances go I should think.
OH and unless you want to go back to an earlier save, the mods won't fix the things you have done in game (cause it sounds like you triggered all their ZOMG she wants me lines). 

Modifié par sylvanaerie, 05 mars 2011 - 05:06 .


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Oh balls. I'm on Xbox. You think I should load up an old save and avoid Leliana & Zev's advances?

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if it is before you triggered those conversations but I am not sure how far you are or how soon into the game you triggered them. it might require going back a far piece of the game. If its way back, it may be easier just to start over, I don't know. Just remember any amount of flirtation with the NPCs will trigger their romances. Leliana's will turn off in the "I really like your hair" convo. Tell her she is a treasured friend and she says 'thank you" and that keeps her in friend zone except for that one bugged convo after the Landsmeet but as its bugged she isn't really upset with you. Zevran as well when he asks you where this is going, tell him "I can always use a friend" and unless you use that stare convo, he will stay in friend zone. and DON"T flirt with him. I know it's really easy to do but that will only encourage him before you get that convo, and I don't know if it triggers the romance before you get to it and you miss out on it.
Alistair I've never been able to keep away from. He wants so desperately to find a connection with someone almost all his dialogues have hidden romance starters. So I really can't offer any advice on him.
And don't feel bad, I'm a very flirty person by nature and my first time was so messed up cause i had everyone in camp after my HNF that i never finished her.Posted Image

Modifié par sylvanaerie, 05 mars 2011 - 05:17 .


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sylvanaerie wrote...

...DON"T flirt with him. I know it's really easy to do but that will only encourage him...

This applies to men in general... :whistle:

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Hmm. Well, I did tell Leliana she was a treasured friend, and I think that turned it off. So I guess the Landsmeet convo was just down to the bug. I also told Zevran I could use a friend, but clearly allowing him to stare at me was a bad idea!

Thanks for the advice! I think I'll load up a save before the bugged Leliana conversation and just avoid talking to her! I can't even remember when I told Zev he could gawp at me so I think that whole area is beyond redemption. Fingers crossed it won't mess up my plans to become Queen...

ETA: Haha! Yes, good advice all round I think. Must be less flirtatious. It only causes problems. This is like my first year at University all over again... :huh:

Modifié par Braindeer, 05 mars 2011 - 05:25 .


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Heh. I got ninjaromanced on my first playthrough AND on my first HNF playthrough. Apparently "I like shoes/hair" translates to "I'm interested." Tried to avoid it on the HNF run and got the same bug after Landsmeet. Good luck avoiding Leliana!

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You can always turn off the romance with him by triggering a "breakup" line. But frankly I coudln't do it on my HNF. Alistair, Leliana and Zevran all react like kicked puppies when you do that and I just didn't have the heart to. Morrigan on the other hand begs you to break it off if she gets too close. It hurt more NOT to.
OH and as long as you don't turn off Alistair's romance and break it off with the others (Check their approval, adore/care/love is romance active), if its at friendly/warm then they're flags should be turned off and your queen should have no problems being with Alistair at the end.

Modifié par sylvanaerie, 05 mars 2011 - 05:37 .


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I love the idea of being "ninjamanced". It's so accurate. Leliana's sneaky...one minute it's, hey, you have nice hair, and the next, BAM, why won't you LOVE ME?

Mentalist.

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Yea poor Lels has a long rep about being a stalker and ninjamancing when its not her fault Bioware got stoned on the bongwater in their coolers the day they set her plot flags