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[Morroian]

Dr.Warlock wrote...

I was considering stacking Force Mage with Blood Mage until I saw this under Spirit Healer:


6. Vitality
Requires: Level 13
Requires: Group Heal
Points required in Spirit Healer: 5
The spirit healer's deep connection to the Fade lends the mage incredible resilience.
Constitution: +10
Health regeneration rate: +100
Type: Passive ability

That health regen sounds better than it likely is, but still it may end up stacking better with BM than FM.

Got to invest 6 total points in spirit healer though.

[godlike13]

Eclipse_9990 wrote...

Hmm.. I'm wondering if ignoring willpower for Magic, and Constitution is the best option for a powerful Blood Mage.. Especially when combined with Vitality, and Death Vortex which means constantly regenerating Health. 

Depends if Death Vortex is conventional healing.

[Malfustheone]

Morroian wrote...

Dr.Warlock wrote...

I was considering stacking Force Mage with Blood Mage until I saw this under Spirit Healer:


6. Vitality
Requires: Level 13
Requires: Group Heal
Points required in Spirit Healer: 5
The spirit healer's deep connection to the Fade lends the mage incredible resilience.
Constitution: +10
Health regeneration rate: +100
Type: Passive ability

That health regen sounds better than it likely is, but still it may end up stacking better with BM than FM.

Got to invest 6 total points in spirit healer though.

If you dont mind being the aura/buff center of your party it isnt so bad.  If you planned on dealing damage then it is quite steep.

[ProfessionalPirate]

Naitaka you are amazing! Seeing all this new spec info is great!

But unfortunately, after seeing the specs I am back to square one on deciding between Mage, DW Rogue, or Archer

[Graunt]

Malfustheone wrote...
Its like they are taunting us with the possibility of a companion getting another specialiazation.  Imagine the pain he would inflict with that passive twice.  If only.

The only thing that would cause me to rethink using him over Hawke is Fervor.  No idea if he has that, although 20% crit is pretty awesome by itself because he could still get Might/Muscle on top of it.

[Morroian]

Malfustheone wrote...

I can attest that ignoring willpower in favor of con pays big dividends for Blood Mages in DA:O.  The only problem was the mana req for sustainables mid game.  Considering that sustainables no longer have a flat mana requirement, it seems like it would be even better now.

Yep I tested this out in my last run though in DAO and I found the same thing. 

[Eclipse_9990]

godlike13 wrote...

Eclipse_9990 wrote...

Hmm.. I'm wondering if ignoring willpower for Magic, and Constitution is the best option for a powerful Blood Mage.. Especially when combined with Vitality, and Death Vortex which means constantly regenerating Health. 

Depends if Death Vortex is conventional healing.

Death Vortex give +5% Health for every dead body on the battle field, that combined with vitality's +100 Health regen,  and Grave robbers 10% health regen for every dead body...

[Graunt]

Just wonder what the class specific weapon requirements would be though. Probably something like 42 MAG 32 WIL...

Also the "+100" on Vitality might be a typo and it's just +10 like every other ability.

Modifié par Graunt, 06 mars 2011 - 06:56 .

[Taleroth]

Eclipse_9990 wrote...

godlike13 wrote...

Eclipse_9990 wrote...

Hmm.. I'm wondering if ignoring willpower for Magic, and Constitution is the best option for a powerful Blood Mage.. Especially when combined with Vitality, and Death Vortex which means constantly regenerating Health. 

Depends if Death Vortex is conventional healing.

Death Vortex give +5% Health for every dead body on the battle field, that combined with vitality's +100 Health regen,  and Grave robbers 10% health regen for every dead body...

If it's conventional healing, it won't provide anything.

[Aesieru]

Eclipse_9990 wrote...

godlike13 wrote...

Eclipse_9990 wrote...

Hmm.. I'm wondering if ignoring willpower for Magic, and Constitution is the best option for a powerful Blood Mage.. Especially when combined with Vitality, and Death Vortex which means constantly regenerating Health. 

Depends if Death Vortex is conventional healing.

Death Vortex give +5% Health for every dead body on the battle field, that combined with vitality's +100 Health regen,  and Grave robbers 10% health regen for every dead body...

Depends on if the vortex kills corpses.

[Malfustheone]

Aesieru wrote...

Depends on if the vortex kills corpses.

I personally think that the death syphon will be entirely useless to Blood Mages, unless you plan on alternating between syphon and blood magic.

[Dr.Warlock]

Malfustheone wrote...

Morroian wrote...

Dr.Warlock wrote...

I was considering stacking Force Mage with Blood Mage until I saw this under Spirit Healer:


6. Vitality
Requires: Level 13
Requires: Group Heal
Points required in Spirit Healer: 5
The spirit healer's deep connection to the Fade lends the mage incredible resilience.
Constitution: +10
Health regeneration rate: +100
Type: Passive ability

That health regen sounds better than it likely is, but still it may end up stacking better with BM than FM.

Got to invest 6 total points in spirit healer though.

If you dont mind being the aura/buff center of your party it isnt so bad.  If you planned on dealing damage then it is quite steep.

I found in Origins I ended up relying on maybe four or five different spells every fight with the others I'd picked up being litte more than alternatives to staff blasting, especially after what becomes available in Awakening.  While I hope that's changed, things may yet play out quite similar to that experiece thus passive buffs become all the more enticing.

[Graunt]

Rhyming Triplet

Requires: Level 7
Physical damage: 513 per bolt Cost: 20 stamina
Cooldown: 10s
Requires: Level 7
Varric launches a volley of three bolts, turning his target into a pincushion.

Yeah, that's not strong or anything considering the upgrade adds two more bolts. +50% group damage from Assassin's Mark wouldn't really be missed (while using this ability) unless your allies are doing some incredibly sick damage to begin with.  Aveline probably wouldn't be, and that just leaves your main character, Varric and whoever else.

Modifié par Graunt, 06 mars 2011 - 07:03 .

[Dr.Warlock]

Graunt wrote...

Just wonder what the class specific weapon requirements would be though. Probably something like 42 MAG 32 WIL...

Also the "+100" on Vitality might be a typo and it's just +10 like every other ability.

Figured that might be the case myself, but it's somewhat without context.  If it's per second or a similarily short interval then yes, it is in all likelyhood on 10 as you say.

[Malfustheone]

Dr.Warlock wrote...

I found in Origins I ended up relying on maybe four or five different spells every fight with the others I'd picked up being litte more than alternatives to staff blasting, especially after what becomes available in Awakening.  While I hope that's changed, things may yet play out quite similar to that experiece thus passive buffs become all the more enticing.

Dont forget, the same spell can take several "spell" points now, making those 4 to 5 spells more powerfual than before.  This likely means that it is now focused towards those few choice spells.  Consequently, those individual "spell points" are now more important, since you will be spending less on prereq, and more on improving your lineup.  This makes me think that throwing away five points will be more noticeable than in origins.  Then again, I haven't played through DA 2 and therefore my ideas are just speculation.

[Taleroth]

Graunt wrote...

Just wonder what the class specific weapon requirements would be though. Probably something like 42 MAG 32 WIL...

hnnnngh

I'm hoping mage equipment doesn't have a willpower requirement. :/

[Malfustheone]

Taleroth wrote...

Graunt wrote...

Just wonder what the class specific weapon requirements would be though. Probably something like 42 MAG 32 WIL...

hnnnngh

I'm hoping mage equipment doesn't have a willpower requirement. :/

Indeed, especially considering all classes can benefit from willpower almost as much as mages (especially considering that mages have been shifted more towards auto attack than in DA: O).

[Dr.Warlock]

Malfustheone wrote...

Dr.Warlock wrote...

I found in Origins I ended up relying on maybe four or five different spells every fight with the others I'd picked up being litte more than alternatives to staff blasting, especially after what becomes available in Awakening.  While I hope that's changed, things may yet play out quite similar to that experiece thus passive buffs become all the more enticing.

Dont forget, the same spell can take several "spell" points now, making those 4 to 5 spells more powerfual than before.  This likely means that it is now focused towards those few choice spells.  Consequently, those individual "spell points" are now more important, since you will be spending less on prereq, and more on improving your lineup.  This makes me think that throwing away five points will be more noticeable than in origins.  Then again, I haven't played through DA 2 and therefore my ideas are just speculation.

Too true.  In all likelyhood I'm probably going to be more focused on the Elemental Skill Tree to begin with anyway.  Hemmorage appears to be this games version of Blood Wound (which was the only spell I really used with Blood Mage in Origins, atleast until it became painfully obsolete in Awakening) and it doesn't apear to come into play until mid/late game.

Modifié par Dr.Warlock, 06 mars 2011 - 07:13 .

[ProfessionalPirate]

Wow, just, wow. I thought of an insanely good way to severely damge large clusters of enemies.
Use edge of the abyss, fully upgraded, to draw enemies close, lay down fully upgraded gravatic ring on top of it, then....... hail of arrows, firestorm, tempest, fireball, bursting arrow and maybe a miasmic flask tossed in just for the heck of it. Heck use TWO hail of arrows, from Varric and Sebastian, and Virulent Walking Bomb, I think could decimate just about everything whilst keeping your party at a safe distance if FF is on. It might require two mages two rogues to pull it off though.

[Malfustheone]

ProfessionalPirate wrote...

Wow, just, wow. I thought of an insanely good way to severely damge large clusters of enemies.
Use edge of the abyss, fully upgraded, to draw enemies close, lay down fully upgraded gravatic ring on top of it, then....... hail of arrows, firestorm, tempest, fireball, bursting arrow and maybe a miasmic flask tossed in just for the heck of it. Heck use TWO hail of arrows, from Varric and Sebastian, and Virulent Walking Bomb, I think could decimate just about everything whilst keeping your party at a safe distance if FF is on. It might require two mages two rogues to pull it off though.

Crowd clearing death, now you just need to figure out how handle those pesky bosses without a tank.

[ProfessionalPirate]

Yeeeeahhhhh, still working on that, although it sounds like maybe you could quickly kill a boss with two rogues focusing on it, and mages supporting maybe? With Anders switching over to healing mode and Hawke using debuffs? Could work. I'd want to experiment on hard befor commiting that stratagy to nightmare, or just switch out Varric or Sebastian for Avaline, Carver, or Fenris.

Modifié par ProfessionalPirate, 06 mars 2011 - 07:27 .

[Shinimas]

Malfustheone wrote...

Zabaniya wrote...

That's pretty much what the Resilience description says, except for the 100% resistance.  Unless there's something else to it that I'm missing that someone should fill me in on.

Resilience: Knockback Resistance: 100%

Unshakable: Fortitude: +100

One basically makes you ignore knockback, the other increases your fort saves by 100.  I would say half of all fort saves would be knockback, the other half being other things, but I am not certain on that.

It works like this:

The "forceful" attack was above your fort check = slight flinch, no interruption
Noticably above = short knockback
Quite above = long knockback
Greatly above = you fly back and fall on the ground

That's for physical force, elemental force I'm not so sure, but "catching on fire" was mentioned "your soul getting pulled out" I also heard of, I'm sure those result in a short incapacitation and nothing more, but it's nice to be able to avoid them nonetheless.

[Eclipse_9990]

 Okay... I think I have my build. Its a 25 point build because with all the exp boosts from items, and extra quests I think we'll have atleast 25 points before the end of the game. 

Mage Hawke: 25 Point Build

Spirit: 5
Spirit Strike: 2
Virulent Walking Bomb: 3
---------------------------------- 
Elemental: 3
Searing Fireball: 2
Firestorm
---------------------------------- 
Primal: 4
Rock Armor
Chain Reaction: 2
Tempest
---------------------------------- 
Arcane: 3
Mind Blast(Free)
Elemental Shield: 2
Crushing Prison
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Blood Mage: +25 Consitution
Blood Magic: 6 
Blood Magic(Sustained)
One Foot In: 2
Paralyzing Hemmorage: 2
Blood Slave
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Force Mage: 125% Physical, and Elemental force for spells
Force Mage: 4
Fist of the Maker
Telekinetic Blast: 2
Pull of the Abyss

Modifié par Eclipse_9990, 06 mars 2011 - 07:30 .

[Aesieru]

Eclipse_9990 wrote...

 Okay... I think I have my build. Its a 25 point build because with all the exp boosts from items, and extra quests I think we'll have atleast 25 points before the end of the game. 

Mage Hawke: 25 Point Build

Spirit: 5
Spirit Strike: 2
Virulent Walking Bomb: 3

Elemental: 3
Searing Fireball: 2
Firestorm

Primal: 4
Rock Armor
Chain Reaction: 2
Tempest

Arcane: 3
Mind Blast (Free)
Elemental Shield: 2
Crushing Prison

Blood Mage: +25 Constitution
Blood Magic: 6
Blood Magic (Sustained)
One Foot In: 2
Paralyzing Hemmorage: 2
Blood Slave

Force Mage: 125% Physical, and Elemental force for spells
Force Mage: 4
Fist of the Maker
Telekinetic Blast: 2
Pull of the Abyss

No fair... I spent 3 minutes formatting this while yours wasn't...

Yes, I spent even MORE time formatting someone else's post... I have no life.

Modifié par Aesieru, 06 mars 2011 - 07:32 .