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[TallBearNC]

Well, in DA:O there were heated discussions as some characters were straight or bi. None were just "gay". People were upset they could not romance Alistair as a male character. Other people had a valid argument "You can just romance anyone like that in RL!" While that might be TRUE. This is a fantasy RPG where the player plays to get away from RL. Hence why people used the dev console and eventually modded the game to romance anyone.
If BW wanted to keep EVERYONE happy, the best solution would be to make all romanceable characters "bi" Why?
1) People who want just hetero romances can have them
2) people who want to sleep with EVERYONE can do it
3) people who want just same sex relationships can do it
.... this win/win for all.
Now if everyone is NOT "bi" in DA2, then you'll see a mod within a week or two that will fix this.. and if this is ANYTHING like DA0 (and from teh demo console it looks like it is).. I'll be able to make everyone bi from the games internal console

So this argument over sexuality is a MOOT point. Either BW has made them all bi, or they are not and the gamming comunity will mod the game. So NO arguments, and NO flaming is needed.

[Melness]

I like how you define it as a compromise to better the gameplay for all, at least I think that's what you've done.

The only ones who might be put off by that are those roleplayers who concern themselves with things that their character doesn't know =p.

[Rune-Chan]

True enough, personally I am hoping for the former, as I am of the opinion that characters should be "fully fleshed" and by changing something such as their sexuality, you are changing their character to the extent that they are no longer the same "person" any more.

Which makes them seem unrealistic.
Which kills immersion.

For me at least.

Modifié par Machines Are Us, 05 mars 2011 - 07:23 .

[Lord_Saulot]

Considering how easy it was to accidently get in a romance in DAO, I don't see how this is good.. Personally, I care more about the characters being developed to have consistent personalities, then whether or not I get romance options.

Modifié par Lord_Saulot, 05 mars 2011 - 06:52 .

[Razaroh]

I doubt that everyone is truly bisexual, people have to much of a negative connection with the word for Bioware to expect to come out of it unscratched.

Isabela and Anders are bi. Fenris and Merrill make an exception for both Hawke's race and gender. Now that doesn't seem like such a stretch by any means.

[AkiKishi]

What's next Dog as an LI...

[Eveangaline]

Machines Are Us wrote...

True enough, personally I am hoping for the latter, as I am of the opinion that characters should be "fully fleshed" and by changing something such as their sexuality, you are changing their character to the extent that they are no longer the same "person" any more.

Which makes them seem unrealistic.
Which kills immersion.

For me at least.

How exactly is being bi not being fully fleshed? And what's this about changing sexuality? None of these characters had a set sexuality before, except Isabella who was already bi.

And I'm sorry you find bi people unrealistic, I have some friends I have to inform now that they aren't realistic and must poof into nonexistance.

[Razaroh]

Lord_Saulot wrote...

Considering how easy it was to accidently get in a romance in DAO, I don't see how this is good.. Personally, I care more about the characters being developed to have consistent personalities, then whether or not I get romance options.

Considering they fixed the ninjamance problem I don't see how isn't. Personally I wish people would stop connecting being bisexual with being an inconsistent character. Leliana, Zevran, Sky and Silk Fox were all were bi romances and are all strongly developed.

[TwistedComplex]

Sorry, but i don't want every male character flirting with me like zevran did

I understand making everyone happy, but there comes a point where making everyone happy gets ridiculous

[Funny_chan]

Different people have different opinion. Truth to be told, to me, if they really are all bi (and not only "hawkesexual") it's kinda an immersion breaker.
I'd rather have a group with the same amount of homossexual,  bissexual and heterossexual love interests. But this is not "my game", and I understand that it would cost a lot of time and money (thus, it would be impractical).

[Rune-Chan]

EDIT: Poor wording chosen, which created confusion/argument.

My mistake.

Modifié par Machines Are Us, 05 mars 2011 - 07:25 .

[Lord_Saulot]

Razaroh wrote...

Lord_Saulot wrote...

Considering how easy it was to accidently get in a romance in DAO, I don't see how this is good.. Personally, I care more about the characters being developed to have consistent personalities, then whether or not I get romance options.

Considering they fixed the ninjamance problem I don't see how isn't. Personally I wish people would stop connecting being bisexual with being an inconsistent character. Leliana, Zevran, Sky and Silk Fox were all were bi romances and are all strongly developed.

Two things: whether the ninjamance problem is fixed is something I will decide for myself when I play the game.  Second, my point about consistency was separate - I didn't mean to imply that bisexual = inconsistent.  However, not ever character someone designs is going to be bisexual.  Some characters will be straight or gay, if their personalities are consistently developed, unless Bioware is to develop ever romanceable character with bisexuality in mind.  Personally, I like variation in my party members, and if it became a strict mandate that every romanceable party member had to be bisexual, then that would make the party members less interesting.  I would prefer them to be a combination of gay, straight, and bisexual party members.  Having bisexual members is realistic, but not everyone should be available to my Hawke in a given playthrough.

[TallBearNC]

Oh god.. time to lock the thread down.. I make a logical post and it starts to go to hell and a handbasket.

[WidowMaker9394]

I find it kinda weird how every character can be bi... it just doesn't make a lot of sense in my head.

[mya11]

For me it's more realistic if in the game there are hetero, bi and gay and all bi it's not realistic it's just my opinion.

[Lord_Saulot]

TallBearNC wrote...

Oh god.. time to lock the thread down.. I make a logical post and it starts to go to hell and a handbasket.

Many of us have taken the time to make logical responses as to why we don't find your solution to be a good one.  How is that going to hell in a handbasket?  Disagreement is to be expected.

[TheRevanchist]

Well apparently the Spoiler Thread has announced everyone IS in fact Bi...so this argument seems redundent honestly...while I dont agree at all with the design choice IF true...It's not a deal breaker...after having Aveline dreams torn down around me in every direction lately I'm just avoiding the romances all togeather so no foul on my end.

[TallBearNC]

Like I said.. this is a FANTASY RPG. Most people play to get away from RL and realism. Even if every char is romanceable, it's the PLAYER who decides how to RP them. But it leaves the choice available to all... maybe the player doesn't want to EVER play a M or F character. Should they be limited to not be able to live out their RP RPG fantasy?
That was my whole point... making eveyrone... romancable doesn't take anything away from the quality of the characters - only if you let it. If you decide you want XXX to be straight.. the only romance them with the opposite sex, and they will be
But.. like I said.. in the end... arguing about it is MOOT. If they aren't all romancable by ANY gender, the gaming community will make a mod faster than you can blink and make it so So in the end, I guess it really doesn't matter WHAT BW has done. What they did do is allow us to MOD the game so we can alter it to fit our needs.
My OP was simply trying to calm the raging arguments I see in thread after thread.

[Eveangaline]

Machines Are Us wrote...

Eveangaline wrote...

Machines Are Us wrote...

True enough, personally I am hoping for the latter, as I am of the opinion that characters should be "fully fleshed" and by changing something such as their sexuality, you are changing their character to the extent that they are no longer the same "person" any more.

Which makes them seem unrealistic.
Which kills immersion.

For me at least.

How exactly is being bi not being fully fleshed? And what's this about changing sexuality? None of these characters had a set sexuality before, except Isabella who was already bi.

And I'm sorry you find bi people unrealistic, I have some friends I have to inform now that they aren't realistic and must poof into nonexistance.

Oh, get off your f***ing high horse, I am not homophobic in the slightest, nor was anything I said. Learn to read before getting all defensive about nothing.

It has absolutely nothing to do with them being bi, it is about people changing the game to make a character who is not bisexual, suddenly turn bisexual.

The same would go if I modded the game to make Zevran a dwarf or Leliana look and sound Fereldan. Sexuality makes up a part of someones character, both in real life and in fiction, if you change that then you are changing who they are.

Isabella is bisexual, that is fine. If Bioware decides the other characters are bisexual, then that is fine as well. Although it pushes the realism somewhat if the the four peoplewho are interested in Hawke all happen to be bisexual, when bisexuality is not particularly common.

If you then take a character who is heterosexual, and then mod them so they change sexuality, then you are changing the character.

That is what is unrealistic.

Honestly, people on here just love to start arguments.

But who did they change? You say they changed them, but how do you know the idea wasn't to make them all bisexual right from the start? THen no changing happened at all. The only character we got extended exposure too before was ANders, and frankly he always struck me as open. No changing seems to have happened at all, so why are you complaining?

[Khayness]

How about they create their stories the way they like, without worrying about Political Correctness Gone Mad?

[TallBearNC]

Lord_Saulot wrote...

TallBearNC wrote...

Oh god.. time to lock the thread down.. I make a logical post and it starts to go to hell and a handbasket.

Many of us have taken the time to make logical responses as to why we don't find your solution to be a good one.  How is that going to hell in a handbasket?  Disagreement is to be expected.

I dont expect peopel to agree. I expect them to be respectful.. and I've already seen flaming cussing swearing in this thread... that's what I meant when you quoted me  I posted a logical, non flaming post.. and people are already flaming each other.. that's why I said it's gone to hell and a handbasked and should just be locked.

I now agree with this logic: all topics on sexuality should be LOCKED. Why? No point. The game is MODDABLE so if you don't like what BW does, MOD IT

Modifié par TallBearNC, 05 mars 2011 - 07:17 .

[Lord_Saulot]

TallBearNC wrote...

Lord_Saulot wrote...

TallBearNC wrote...

Oh god.. time to lock the thread down.. I make a logical post and it starts to go to hell and a handbasket.

Many of us have taken the time to make logical responses as to why we don't find your solution to be a good one.  How is that going to hell in a handbasket?  Disagreement is to be expected.

I dont expect peopel to agree. I expect them to be respectful.. and I've already seen flaming cussing swearing in this thread... that's what I meant when you quoted me  I posted a logical, non flaming post.. and people are already flaming each other.. that's why I said it's gone to hell and a handbasked and should just be locked.

I now agree with this logic: all topics on sexuality should be LOCKED. Why? No point. The game is MODDABLE so if you don't like what BW does, MOD IT

I understand what you meant now.  And yeah, I think you are right about the game being moddable.  When push comes to shove, someone will have a mod for whatever people want.

[Rune-Chan]

Eveangaline wrote...



But who did they change? You say they changed them, but how do you know the idea wasn't to make them all bisexual right from the start? THen no changing happened at all. The only character we got extended exposure too before was ANders, and frankly he always struck me as open. No changing seems to have happened at all, so why are you complaining?

I see where the confusion lies, I chose the wrong word, what I meant was former, not latter.

Sorry, I hadn't realised.

Modifié par Machines Are Us, 05 mars 2011 - 07:25 .