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[TallBearNC]

Suron wrote...

god these are so effin stupid.

BioWare should just design a character completely..down to his possible sexuality. Not everyone in the world is bi-sexual, straight, or gay. So not every damn character you can romance should be either.

Fine let Hawke be unless the story dictates otherwise.

and here's a clue....If BioWare was to make him straight up gay or straight up...straight..that in NO WAY means they hate one side or the other nor do they have any kind of bigotry towards it.

The cries for everyone and everything being bi-sexual is idiotic.

Hell even in Mass Effect you CAN play a gay Shepard..you just don't have anyone you can romance..that in no way means you can't "play" him as gay.

Like with Alistair..he's an idiot, a little soft, but nothing about his personality strikes me as gay. He wasn't, and should NOT have been gay. End of story.

This whole politically correct BS needs to take a flying leap.

this has nothing to do with being PC. It's has to do with playing the game how you'd like to play it. In my game. Alistar was gay. Why? I made him so. I didn't agree with how he was made so I altered him. You can't do that to people in RL, but hey, this isn't RL... it's a fantasy game.

[Razaroh]

Sir Jools wrote...
Also, THIS.

I mean, nobody complains because writer X or Y made this or that character from their books gay or straight or asexual or into bestiality or whatever. Indeed, character should be shaped completely and it would be up to the player to act accordingly.

Yes they do. Pick any fandom and you'll find complaints.

No matter how heavily RPGs borrow from narrative story telling video games aren't like books. As a interactive medium we expect to have some sort of effect on the world we're in. Right from the get go our family's appearance changes to better match our own and a sibling dies all depending on the class the player chooses.

I'm also object to character sexualities changing depending on the PC. I do not think that will stop the interpretations of character sexuality, however.

[Buffy-Summers]

Making everyone bi might fix the game for a few people but it could lead to publicity problems

[Razaroh]

Aurgelmir wrote...
From what I hear they've recycled levels and they've watered down content, Its frustrating enough that they're spending time making content for a vocal minority when so much else has been left out.

They should also cut out th female PC option. It's frustrating they're spending so much time and money on content for a vocal minority. If girls weren't doing it for attention they wouldn't be complaining in the first place.

Am I doing it right?

[bas_kon]

kylecouch wrote...

Machines Are Us wrote...

True, but it does seem a little strange from a realistic point of view that the four people who have an interest in you all happen to be bisexual.

From a gaming perspective it is irrelevant, but from a design perspective it is fairly... odd.

This is my views on the matter...it's just weird that all the LI's just happen to be Bi...it feels fake to me...call me w/e you want...but it feels unbelievable.

Really? you will think I'm a weirdo, but I kinda find more unbelievable the existence of elves, darves, qunaris and dragons myself...BTW I'm happy EVERYONE gets to play the way they want.

[InvaderErl]

Talk about a leap there bas_kon, at no point did he says bisexuals are weird, he said he thought it was weird that they were ALL Bi. Please don't try to twist his words and argument in a direction it was not going in prior.

[Ryzaki]

Razaroh wrote...

Aurgelmir wrote...
From what I hear they've recycled levels and they've watered down content, Its frustrating enough that they're spending time making content for a vocal minority when so much else has been left out.

They should also cut out th female PC option. It's frustrating they're spending so much time and money on content for a vocal minority. If girls weren't doing it for attention they wouldn't be complaining in the first place.

Am I doing it right?

Actually a minority of players do the romances period. They should cut those out completely. 

[Arppis]

I can see why people would want the character to have their own personal peferences, it makes the character more real when they got their oppinions and peferences. But at the same time, I think there should be some flexibility in what the characters are like. It's nice that the gay people are being taken in to consideration and something is offered to them too.

Bah, they should just toss a dice at start of each new playtrough to see who likes what. Hoh!

[Razaroh]

Buffy-Summers wrote...
Making everyone bi might fix the game for a few people but it could lead to publicity problems

Can you see the fox headlines?

I can. It's hilarious. I almost want it to happen, but only if they haven't played the game.

[Blackened25]

TallBearNC wrote...

Sir Jools wrote...

kylecouch wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Razaroh wrote...
No, they're elves. They already have a race barrier to overcome, would gender be such big a deal in comparison? It's not like in real life  where everyone is the same but with a different coat of paint.

Think Tali's romance, how she gushes about F!Shepard up until 'It's too bad you're a woman.'

I really wanted to do Tali as a FemShep, but I respect her rights as an independent character to refuse. It seems that there are two opposing views here.

1. It's my game I should be able to do whatever the hell I like. Stuff is only here to make my fantasies come true.
2. The characters have their own wills and are not puppets. Making everyone Bi will damage the believability of the setting.

Did I sum that up ok ?

Jackpot sir...I happen to be in the second camp...but yes...thats is basicly what this thread is about.

Camp 1 is actually unviable. Because if it was, I would have killed Alistair after 5 minutes of forcibly having him in my party, I would have blackmailed Moradin into violating and killing Branka in front of Oghren, and I would have killed the Tranquil at Ostagar on spot just because he irritated me. And Loghain too, since he might as well have been wearing a "I'M THE EVIL GUY" t-shirt.

In other words, these kind of games are there to weave a pre-made story, therefore there is only so much freedom of choice and action, including who is a fling option and who is not. There are limitations inherent to the medium, let alone business-driven limitation regarding how much time bioware was willing to put into allowing players to romance anything that "breathes" in their game.

camp 1 is unviable FOR YOU. It's not just unviable. It is a VERY valid state of mind and gaming. If it's not for you, then say it's not for you. What you said above is what YOU, and some others would do.

No, camp 1 is unviable because of the restrictions placed upon players by the fact that they're playing a computer game. It has set parameters and set rules that a player can never violate, no matter what their fantasies or desire may be. I can never choose to side with the Archdemon, I can never choose to pack my party off to some other part of the world, etc.. Camp 1 has to put up with a ton of restrictions on what they can or can't do, which is why there never has been or will be a true roleplaying experience in crpg form. I think camp 2 delivers a better game, with more believeable and more consistant characters, but that's just my opinion.

[CubbieBlue66]

TallBearNC wrote...
this has nothing to do with being PC. It's has to do with playing the game how you'd like to play it. In my game. Alistar was gay. Why? I made him so. I didn't agree with how he was made so I altered him. You can't do that to people in RL, but hey, this isn't RL... it's a fantasy game.

Take it too far, and you're playing the Sims instead of a game with an immersive story.

I want these characters to pop. I want them to feel real, like they already existed well before I ever showed up. It's one thing to have these characters respond to you... it's another thing entirely to have them redefined to suit your whims.

[AkiKishi]

Blackened25 wrote...

No, camp 1 is unviable because of the restrictions placed upon players by the fact that they're playing a computer game. It has set parameters and set rules that a player can never violate, no matter what their fantasies or desire may be. I can never choose to side with the Archdemon, I can never choose to pack my party off to some other part of the world, etc.. Camp 1 has to put up with a ton of restrictions on what they can or can't do, which is why there never has been or will be a true roleplaying experience in crpg form. I think camp 2 delivers a better game, with more believeable and more consistant characters, but that's just my opinion.

I was just talking about romances there not everything in the game. Clearly it's completely impossible to have the game cater to your every whim.

[OrganizedChaos826]

Kazanth wrote...

Suron wrote...

Like with Alistair..he's an idiot, a little soft, but nothing about his personality strikes me as gay. He wasn't, and should NOT have been gay. End of story.

You're free to have your opinion but what type of personality would you consider "gay"?

I think they mean the stereotypical flamboyant and feminine personality.
Not saying that all gay guys are like that of course. but a lot of people associate a feminine guy with homoseuality and so if they meet a guy who is not feminine, the possibility of them being gay doesn't come to mind as much as it would if the guy was feminine.

[Ryzaki]

...I love how some are saying all the characters were redefined to be bisexual when none of us wrote these characters or interacted with them in a way that would show us their sexual preferences (except Isabela obviously). 

Yet somehow they're redefined? Is everyone straight by default or something?

Modifié par Ryzaki, 05 mars 2011 - 09:00 .

[AkiKishi]

Blackened25 wrote...

No, camp 1 is unviable because of the restrictions placed upon players by the fact that they're playing a computer game. It has set parameters and set rules that a player can never violate, no matter what their fantasies or desire may be. I can never choose to side with the Archdemon, I can never choose to pack my party off to some other part of the world, etc.. Camp 1 has to put up with a ton of restrictions on what they can or can't do, which is why there never has been or will be a true roleplaying experience in crpg form. I think camp 2 delivers a better game, with more believeable and more consistant characters, but that's just my opinion.

I was just talking about romances there not everything in the game. Clearly it's completely impossible to have the game cater to your every whim.

My bad for writing stuff instead of characters in the first line.

[InvaderErl]

Some people in the thread are arguing that if you're straight, they're straight and if you're gay they'll be gay. That bothers me, I find that even more irritating than if they were all gay leaving my MaleHawke with nobody to romance. I don't think the characters should be that malleable

[Razaroh]

Ryzaki wrote...

...I love how some are saying all the characters were redefined to be bisexual when none of us wrote these characters or interacted with them in a way that would show us their sexual preferences (except Isabela obviously). 

Yet somehow they're redefined? Is everyone straight by default or something?

White, heterosexual and male is the default in every media. There needs to be a special reason for anything else.

[trying_touch]

all bi is the way to go, so long as all LIs don't initiate romance or throw sexuality in your face (too late with isabella, but we already knew she was a versatile seductress)...

and really, advertising "we have gaymance" is not a smart move, so best if we stop asking for confirmation or leaking hacked screens/console info... it's three more days...

[Montana]

Razaroh wrote...

Buffy-Summers wrote...
Making everyone bi might fix the game for a few people but it could lead to publicity problems

Can you see the fox headlines?

I can. It's hilarious. I almost want it to happen, but only if they haven't played the game.

Fox "news" makes me laugh
www.youtube.com/watch

"Video game shows full digital nudity and sex"
"Se-"xbox?"
Hilarious, better than the Comedy channel sometimes.

[Arppis]

Tony77A wrote...

Razaroh wrote...

Buffy-Summers wrote...
Making everyone bi might fix the game for a few people but it could lead to publicity problems

Can you see the fox headlines?

I can. It's hilarious. I almost want it to happen, but only if they haven't played the game.

Fox "news" makes me laugh
www.youtube.com/watch

"Video game shows full digital nudity and sex"
"Se-"xbox?"
Hilarious, better than the Comedy channel sometimes.

It is!  
Shame some people seem to take that stuff seriously.

[Veracruz]

TallBearNC wrote...

If BW wanted to keep EVERYONE happy, the best solution would be to make all romanceable characters "bi"

It's impossible to keep everybody happy. Examples, the ifnitite threads about how DA 2 sucks because it's not DAO plus extra stuff (which is not an invalid concern, mind you).

Every character bi? The idea sucks. If we talk about a "natural" enviroment, which is the probability of the main character ending grouped with all his&her potential LI being bisexual? THe excuse of "this is a fantasy RPG" is invalid and the only valid reason is so people who enjoys the romance options (which are OPTIONAL) and have "alternate" sexual habits (and/or simply want to get all that the game can offer) can have it with any of the LI. Is that best? As valid as having a game in which at the very end you are defeated without any victory possibility, it's an option. I personally would prefer the sexuality of the characters not to be determined by the player base's desires* as I wouldn't like their personlities being determined by them neither.

That said, thanks to the player base's desires*, Tali was valid target in ME 2.

*a part of it